Gays and Homophobia

[CrazyGirl17]

I'm... sorta hetero/bi/asexual (having absolutley no interest in sex whatsoever), but I'm all for gay rights, believing in equality for all people... the problem is, some people are really, well, close-minded.

 

[Wardnath]

I know what you mean. Words hurt. I got both ends of the spectrum. So I started being fast with my mouth and faster with my fists, because bullies hate it when you talk back. It sucks, and I totally feel you on that. I didn't break so much as snapped.

Not sure we're talking about the same spectrum here.

But yeah, I agree with you for the most part.

We certainly weren't. I didn't use it intentionally, or to parallel your own. My bad. XD

I just realised what you were talking about.

 

[blankedboy]

Unagi, you've failed twice to look beyond your scope of reasoning, proving that you are just another individual looking to bash on others just for that fact. To bash on others. I say IN MY OPINION. Where's your right to come in and hooplah about how wrong my opinion is? Your making irrelevant statements. Ipods to Izunes? Where the fuck are you man? Were talking about a person liking both sexes. I never said that bi-sexuals have an addiction to sex, which your obviously pushing towards in a most un-becoming way, claiming your telling the 'Truth'.
Your not an ultimate benefactor here. NO ONE IS.
So stop acting so high and mighty and get off your imaginary throne. Were all just people here with our opinions, not bastards looking to shoot one another in each other's backs.
And if you seriously believe in statistics, then what does that tell EVERYONE here about how valid your opinions truly are?
Yeah. That's what I thought.

*another ubersigh*

"I say IN MY OPINION"
No you don't. Not once did you say that. All of your arguments are claimed as facts, or at least implied that way. Lying doesn't get you anywhere in an argument.

"Ipods to Izunes (izunes? wut) what the fuck (obligatory cuss?) are you man boodah baadah"
It's a comparison to another thing that isn't necessarily based on choice, running along your logic. If you can't see it, well, again, too bad.

"I never said that bisexuals (no hyphen there bro) are addicted to sex."

"Fucking around with both men and women isn't in my opinion right, and quite whorish and close minded of the individual in question. Who would even want to be with such a person who has no control over their libido, no doubt flinging it around in a nasty and unpleasant fashion? I'm only saying this as a partial opinion, not going out on a limb to bash homo's or bi's in large number, but..
I do have to say a considerable number of Bi-sexuals I know are just that.
Whores."

You never what now?

"You are not the ultimate benefactor here. NO ONE IS. Get off yer throney~"
Of course I'm not. But I can still be right.

"And if you seriously believe in statistics, then what does that tell EVERYONE here about how valid your opinions truly are?
Yeah. That's what I thought."
That's horribly worded, but I'll assume you're trying to say that everyone here agrees with the points you and Formless made. That's _two_ people, remember. Not everyone. This topic is composed of over 600 posts, and so far one other person has agreed with you. That's not everyone.

I don't think that's what you thought. What I think you thought is, "Trololololol, lolol, lololo, oh-oh-oh-oh-ohhh."

 

[josh797]

The idea of discrimination of any type is offensive. On something as personal, variable, and unscientific as sex is down-right stupid. Simply put, sex, sexuality, and gender often have little to do with one another. It's like telling someone they can't join the army because their toes are too long. WHO FREAKIN' CARES!

the guys making the boots?

 

[Bernzz]

I'm all for gay rights. I myself am straight, but I find the kind of ignorance displayed by strong homophobics to be incredibly frustrating and annoying.

Hell, my girlfriend is bi!

But even before her, I was all for them to be happy, as everyone deserves the right to be happy, and no one else has the right to take that away.

 

[gravitate]

i hate homophobia.its retarded to hate people for who they really are.

 

[CarpathianMuffin]

I'll admit that I'm not totally comfortable with the idea of homosexuality. I accept it, and I'll do what I can to help keep their rights from being obstructed, but it makes me feel a tad bit uneasy. Agreed with most other folks about what happens behind closed doors is none of my concern though.

 

[vento 231]

Not a fan of gays, as long as they aren't extremely in your face, it's nothing I am SUPER irratated by.

 

[Jaime_Wolf]

I'm straight, my cousin is gay, and it doesn't matter because it's not like he walks around reminding us about it. Don't hate someone for something they're doing in the privacy of their bedroom, and if they are flaunting it, don't hate them for being gay, hate them for being attention whores. They can't choose who they're attracted to, but the can choose whether to be a dick about it in public.

This popped up while I was posting. This is exactly what I mean. Should I be unhappy if I see you going around "flaunting" being straight? Very likely you don't even know you're acting that way since to you it's just acting "normally". Why on earth should you care if you cousin goes around "reminding" you about it if it doesn't bother you?

maybe it's hard for me to relate since i'm a straight male, but i get the impression that you're taking some of these comments way too personally, but i'm going to make an attempt to relate to you, jamie.

as far as "flaunting" homosexuality compared to "being proud of" it is very different. in my 2nd year of college my one roommate was gay. he'd announce it during the middle of a conversation with new people just to keep it flowing (he even declared himself "the token fag" on some occasions), but from there the conversation would go back to school, music, television, martial arts, plans for seeing friends in town, etc. i never went out of my way to brag about chicks i boned when i talked with him, and he never went out of his way to brag about his boyfriends and the fun times they had. yeah, we talked about relationships from time to time, but it was more interesting hearing his story than if he just went "i'm so proud to be gay because of ... " to me, that's someone who's comfortable in their skin no matter what the outside world thinks of him. that's being proud.

however, one night he invited a new boyfriend and his mother to our house for dinner. everything was great until after dinner. my roommate and his friend just randomly started making out in front of me and his boyfriend's mom as they slowly made their way back to his room, leaving me to house-sit his bf's mom while they went away to have sex. this is definitely what i would consider "flaunting", and above all, it's just rude. we had an argument about that later in the night, where i basically told him "how would you like it if i brought a girl over, fucked the shit out of her half the night, and left you to babysit her dad?"

now, to be fair, i was notorious for pulling similar stunts with women when i was a teenager. doorways, hallways, parties, concerts, public parks (okay, that was only once), i loved flaunting the fact that i had a woman with me because i was more used to being alone. but over time i learned that no-one really wants to see my naked ass, and more than anything, it made the women really uncomfortable being so exposed in public! even the simple act of kissing in public makes them uncomfortable unless it's just one little peck on the lips, anything more is too much. even seeing other straight couples kissing in public makes me uncomfortable. so, i dialed it back, and now i save the rest for behind closed doors. i was being just as rude then as my roommate was that night.

so the moral of the story is: flaunting is irritating, no matter who you're taking home.

now in terms of media and advertising, for the most part i agree with you, hands down. there's a lot of emphasis on heterosexual desire, especially in top 40 pop music (though katy perry sure took a shot at breaking it with "I Kissed a Girl") and almost every tv commercial known to the human race. though i agree the proportional emphasis is completely out of whack, i'm gonna take a stab at why that might be, and i'd be more than happy to hear your feedback on this:

-advertisers jump at the largest possible audience they can find. since they know (depending on the product) that their largest audience will either be a straight male or a straight female, they target the sex appeal towards those desires. as well, there's sort of a natural reaction straight people tend to have toward homosexual desires, which if made blatant enough are rather off-putting (i don't label this a choice as more of an impulse, like a scene that makes you jump in a scary movie--and no, i'm not trying to compare homosexuality to scary movies, i'm-- just-- digging myself a hole here, so i'll get back to the point). i think though, even within the hetero mind, there are still some semblances of homosexual desire. take body wash/lotion commercials, for instance: oil of olay, dove, hell, even old spice fits this example of a product aimed at a particular gender, promoted by a half-naked person of the same gender! the way the ads are structured too (old spice is a better example than the others) are clearly aimed toward straight people ("hello ladies how are you doing today fantastic i am the man that your man could smell like"), but whether this is an influence of sexual desire or to perpetuate the ego of that particular gender is anyone's guess.

-music is written by a number of diffent styles of people with a number of different sexual preferences (confirmed & rumored homosexuals: elton john, 4 non-blondes, trent reznor of nine inch nails, boy george, rick atsley, isis, the village people, some members of propaghandi, a lot of gangsta rappers are apparently closet homosexuals, that is if you believe youtube comments--i think i'm digging myself a hole again, back to the point ... ), but again, as far as advertising and distribution of said music, people will market what they think will get them the biggest possible audience. unless it's kept subtle enough that most people don't catch it right away (like "Lola" for instance, or almost every song from the 60s and 70s regarding drug use [i couldn't think of another song off the top of my head]), anything that might come across as too blatantly, for lack of a better term, "gay", it might not turn out so well. is it fair? no. is it true? from what i've seen, yes.

this video is billy squier. i've gotten into his music a bit more over the last year or so, but this video killed his career, and according to a lot of people, ruined a perfectly good song. i don't remember how to embed video, you'll have to copy & paste the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR0j7sModCI

What you describe is very reasonable and thankfully not what I was talking about. Your story was really just about poor behaviour (as you point out, it would be really obnoxious if a straight person did it too). I was trying to get at the issue of people who "don't mind gay people", but have some big problem with men acting feminine or people acting "stereotypically gay".

It's one thing for someone to act blatantly irresponsible. It's another thing entirely for someone to talk in a voice you don't like, wear clothes you don't approve of, or use mannerisms that bother you. People try to defend it by saying "oh, if a straight guy did those things, it would bother me too" (though I have to wonder why it would bother you, don't you have better things to worry about?). But really, a better comparison would be whether it would bother you if straight men did stereotypically straight things. You're bothered by gay men who like fashion, but are you bothered by straight men who like sports? You don't like the way stereotypically feminine gay men talk, but do you dislike the way stereotypically masculine straight men talk? In all likelihood, you don't even realize that most straight men speak in a certain way in the same way that you don't hear an accent in the voices of people who speak with the same accent you do.

That's more what I was trying to get at. And as a footnote, I do take it personally. It's an attitude I have to deal with on an almost daily basis - self-righteous people who are "for gay rights" as a sort of political correctness who nevertheless turn their nose up if I cross my legs or speak in too feminine a tone. In a world where men are regularly murdered for being "too feminine" I wish more people took it personally.

 

[assassinslover]

I'm a lesbian. Obviously I'm for equal rights for obvious reasons. I think some people need to wake up and smell the freakin' roses. It irritates me to a ridiculous degree that people will hate me for something I had no say in.

And honestly, I don't like seeing same-sex couples making out in the middle of a public place anymore than I like seeing a straight couple do it. Being around people in relationships makes me feel a combination of awkward/annoyed/lonely regardless of gender/age/whatever.

I realize I've said the same thing that most people have. Just throwing my two cents in.

 

[daavisb]

to say, that Im against gays wouldn describe me as a whole. I dont agree with them, and Im shure they are wrong, but that doesent mean that I hate them. (and the term "homophobia" is gay propaganda, I would be glad, if society could terminate that word)

it'd be nice if you elaborate, why are gays wrong? and why's homophobia not the proper term?

OP: Straight as an arrow, which if you know anything about the aerodynamics of an arrow in flight means I'm bi :3 how bi? IDK, bi enough.

I didnt get the arrow thing.
lets look at it from a different way, not the all liberal way. every medical student knows, that the continuing of your species is a necessary thing to do. and what if a group says that they wont do it, because "whatever" and because they can save so much money on children and family. why do they need children if they can have a nice new car?
the term homophobic can be used against every group of people who care about, lets say, family values. I agree that there can be people who are afraid of gays, but I believe that most of the "homophobes" are people who just disagree with the lifestile of gays. And thats why they are being called homophobic, so that their argument can be pushed beside because its only fear.

 

[daavisb]

to say, that Im against gays wouldn describe me as a whole. I dont agree with them, and Im shure they are wrong, but that doesent mean that I hate them. (and the term "homophobia" is gay propaganda, I would be glad, if society could terminate that word)

Riiiiight...there were a few issues with that, not the least of which being your grasp of English.

When you say "wrong"...I can narrow it down to a few possible meanings of that. Does "wrong" mean incorrect? That they're somehow accidentally being gay because no one bothered to say something? Or "wrong" on the most basic scale, where they're abominations against mankind? Or just the usual (unreasonable) demand that they stop being gay because you don't like it?

Uh-huh...that "homophobia" spiel really cranked the crazy up to eleven. So "the gays" have a massive, propaganda-fueled conspiracy to make society accept them...and because of this, you think that "homophobia" is a misnomer for you? That's like someone who got sectioned claiming that "the spiders" are lurking all around him, but also thinks that "arachnophobia" is just another cog in the massive spider-fueled conspiracy engine.

I have no problem with gays and lesbians. Its funny how people pick on homosexuals, but no one makes fun or necropheliacs, pedophiles, zoopheliacs, guro freaks, lolicon fans, scatolphelia, beastiality, and rapists.

Oh, we do make fun of them. Most of the time, we do it in judicial form, ie "what you're doing is illegal, meet your cellmate Bubba."

excuse me for my terrible english, but I believe that you are able to understand what Im saying. or cant you?
I say they are "wrong" like wrong. they act in a way, wich isnt correct.
I agree there can be homophobia, but mostly its just people who resist they gay propaganda, and for that they get called homophobic. I believe you would call me homophobic, but that would be a lie. Im not afraid of them (or you), I feel repulsed.

 

[daavisb]

to say, that Im against gays wouldn describe me as a whole. I dont agree with them, and Im shure they are wrong, but that doesent mean that I hate them. (and the term "homophobia" is gay propaganda, I would be glad, if society could terminate that word)

it'd be nice if you elaborate, why are gays wrong? and why's homophobia not the proper term?

OP: Straight as an arrow, which if you know anything about the aerodynamics of an arrow in flight means I'm bi :3 how bi? IDK, bi enough.

I didnt get the arrow thing.
lets look at it from a different way, not the all liberal way. every medical student knows, that the continuing of your species is a necessary thing to do. and what if a group says that they wont do it, because "whatever" and because they can save so much money on children and family. why do they need children if they can have a nice new car?
the term homophobic can be used against every group of people who care about, lets say, family values. I agree that there can be people who are afraid of gays, but I believe that most of the "homophobes" are people who just disagree with the lifestyle of gays. And thats why they are being called homophobic, so that their argument can be pushed beside because its only fear.

what lifestyle? homosexuality isn't a choice, sexuality in general isn't a choice, nor is homosexuality limited to humans. And then there are all those straight couples that are either infertile or consciously don't want children, but no one ever seems to get riled up about them not continuing the human race.

EDIT: oh, and I'd love to see a list of these oh so sacred "family" values

do you want me to believe that homosexuality is genetic? it is a lifechoice you live. how they say - noone pushes you to be gay.
sexuality is in our "blood", so that we continue our species. do you suggest to bring life into the world through your bottom?
and if you want to know about the sacred family values go to a preacher. Im shure he'll be able to help you further.

 

[gravitate]

I am for gay rights. Reason: they are people too. Simple as that. A person has a right to be happy. It is nobody's place to say otherwise. What you do behind closed doors is not my business(unless I am also behind them which happens more often than not).

your right. homophobia is really stupid, and, like you said, if he wants to be happy, let him be happy.

 

[daavisb]

to say, that Im against gays wouldn describe me as a whole. I dont agree with them, and Im shure they are wrong, but that doesent mean that I hate them. (and the term "homophobia" is gay propaganda, I would be glad, if society could terminate that word)

it'd be nice if you elaborate, why are gays wrong? and why's homophobia not the proper term?

OP: Straight as an arrow, which if you know anything about the aerodynamics of an arrow in flight means I'm bi :3 how bi? IDK, bi enough.

I didnt get the arrow thing.
lets look at it from a different way, not the all liberal way. every medical student knows, that the continuing of your species is a necessary thing to do. and what if a group says that they wont do it, because "whatever" and because they can save so much money on children and family. why do they need children if they can have a nice new car?
the term homophobic can be used against every group of people who care about, lets say, family values. I agree that there can be people who are afraid of gays, but I believe that most of the "homophobes" are people who just disagree with the lifestyle of gays. And thats why they are being called homophobic, so that their argument can be pushed beside because its only fear.

what lifestyle? homosexuality isn't a choice, sexuality in general isn't a choice, nor is homosexuality limited to humans. And then there are all those straight couples that are either infertile or consciously don't want children, but no one ever seems to get riled up about them not continuing the human race.

EDIT: oh, and I'd love to see a list of these oh so sacred "family" values

do you want me to believe that homosexuality is genetic? it is a lifechoice you live. how they say - noone pushes you to be gay.
sexuality is in our "blood", so that we continue our species. do you suggest to bring life into the world through your bottom?
and if you want to know about the sacred family values go to a preacher. Im shure he'll be able to help you further.

so sexuality is a choice? pray tell then when you chose to be straight
and the family values, I don't want a preacher, I want YOU to tell me what they are since you seem so intent on protecting them, you must know what they are

"pray tell then when you chose to be straight". I dont get you.
the need of sexuality is in us, but the choice what you do with it stays yours.
well, I can tell you that not raising a family is against family values. raising a family in wich both genders are the same can't be called family. if two males raise a boy with their values, he'll have the same values. that means a non reproductive lifestile. do you realize, that we are dying out? the world you know is going extinct. I dont want to point fingers, but some guilt lays on the gay (your?) lifestile. its indeniable.
of course there are "families" wich have no children, but what is a family without children? I wouldnt even call it a family. its just a couple, wich has managed to do the one thing wrong wich, theoretically, would have been the easiest thing to do.

 

[daavisb]

lets just say, that I know and believe that they are wrong. if you want me to expalin to you more concrete, you can contact me via the escapist.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

excuse me for my terrible english, but I believe that you are able to understand what Im saying. or cant you?
I say they are "wrong" like wrong. they act in a way, wich isnt correct.

Congratulations! That still doesn't make sense. You're writing as if all life paths are math problems with one, easily identifiable 'correct' answer. That'd be like telling me that my occupation is 'wrong' because I'm not a data analyst.

I agree there can be homophobia, but mostly its just people who resist they gay propaganda, and for that they get called homophobic.

Want to hear some hilarious irony? Because you bizarrely think that there's some sort of gay conspiracy at work, bombarding the innocent citizens of the world with mind-wiping propaganda...

...you're one of the few people who are worth of every letter of the word 'homophobic.' And even then, if there were some sort of amalgam of 'homophobic' and 'paranoid,' that'd be an even better description for you.

I believe you would call me homophobic, but that would be a lie. Im not afraid of them (or you), I feel repulsed.

Way to assume I'm gay. But I guess only gay people would ever be on this side of a debate, hm?

 

[ideitbawx]

I'm straight, my cousin is gay, and it doesn't matter because it's not like he walks around reminding us about it. Don't hate someone for something they're doing in the privacy of their bedroom, and if they are flaunting it, don't hate them for being gay, hate them for being attention whores. They can't choose who they're attracted to, but the can choose whether to be a dick about it in public.

This popped up while I was posting. This is exactly what I mean. Should I be unhappy if I see you going around "flaunting" being straight? Very likely you don't even know you're acting that way since to you it's just acting "normally". Why on earth should you care if you cousin goes around "reminding" you about it if it doesn't bother you?

maybe it's hard for me to relate since i'm a straight male, but i get the impression that you're taking some of these comments way too personally, but i'm going to make an attempt to relate to you, jamie.

as far as "flaunting" homosexuality compared to "being proud of" it is very different. in my 2nd year of college my one roommate was gay. he'd announce it during the middle of a conversation with new people just to keep it flowing (he even declared himself "the token fag" on some occasions), but from there the conversation would go back to school, music, television, martial arts, plans for seeing friends in town, etc. i never went out of my way to brag about chicks i boned when i talked with him, and he never went out of his way to brag about his boyfriends and the fun times they had. yeah, we talked about relationships from time to time, but it was more interesting hearing his story than if he just went "i'm so proud to be gay because of ... " to me, that's someone who's comfortable in their skin no matter what the outside world thinks of him. that's being proud.

however, one night he invited a new boyfriend and his mother to our house for dinner. everything was great until after dinner. my roommate and his friend just randomly started making out in front of me and his boyfriend's mom as they slowly made their way back to his room, leaving me to house-sit his bf's mom while they went away to have sex. this is definitely what i would consider "flaunting", and above all, it's just rude. we had an argument about that later in the night, where i basically told him "how would you like it if i brought a girl over, fucked the shit out of her half the night, and left you to babysit her dad?"

now, to be fair, i was notorious for pulling similar stunts with women when i was a teenager. doorways, hallways, parties, concerts, public parks (okay, that was only once), i loved flaunting the fact that i had a woman with me because i was more used to being alone. but over time i learned that no-one really wants to see my naked ass, and more than anything, it made the women really uncomfortable being so exposed in public! even the simple act of kissing in public makes them uncomfortable unless it's just one little peck on the lips, anything more is too much. even seeing other straight couples kissing in public makes me uncomfortable. so, i dialed it back, and now i save the rest for behind closed doors. i was being just as rude then as my roommate was that night.

so the moral of the story is: flaunting is irritating, no matter who you're taking home.

now in terms of media and advertising, for the most part i agree with you, hands down. there's a lot of emphasis on heterosexual desire, especially in top 40 pop music (though katy perry sure took a shot at breaking it with "I Kissed a Girl") and almost every tv commercial known to the human race. though i agree the proportional emphasis is completely out of whack, i'm gonna take a stab at why that might be, and i'd be more than happy to hear your feedback on this:

-advertisers jump at the largest possible audience they can find. since they know (depending on the product) that their largest audience will either be a straight male or a straight female, they target the sex appeal towards those desires. as well, there's sort of a natural reaction straight people tend to have toward homosexual desires, which if made blatant enough are rather off-putting (i don't label this a choice as more of an impulse, like a scene that makes you jump in a scary movie--and no, i'm not trying to compare homosexuality to scary movies, i'm-- just-- digging myself a hole here, so i'll get back to the point). i think though, even within the hetero mind, there are still some semblances of homosexual desire. take body wash/lotion commercials, for instance: oil of olay, dove, hell, even old spice fits this example of a product aimed at a particular gender, promoted by a half-naked person of the same gender! the way the ads are structured too (old spice is a better example than the others) are clearly aimed toward straight people ("hello ladies how are you doing today fantastic i am the man that your man could smell like"), but whether this is an influence of sexual desire or to perpetuate the ego of that particular gender is anyone's guess.

-music is written by a number of diffent styles of people with a number of different sexual preferences (confirmed & rumored homosexuals: elton john, 4 non-blondes, trent reznor of nine inch nails, boy george, rick atsley, isis, the village people, some members of propaghandi, a lot of gangsta rappers are apparently closet homosexuals, that is if you believe youtube comments--i think i'm digging myself a hole again, back to the point ... ), but again, as far as advertising and distribution of said music, people will market what they think will get them the biggest possible audience. unless it's kept subtle enough that most people don't catch it right away (like "Lola" for instance, or almost every song from the 60s and 70s regarding drug use [i couldn't think of another song off the top of my head]), anything that might come across as too blatantly, for lack of a better term, "gay", it might not turn out so well. is it fair? no. is it true? from what i've seen, yes.

this video is billy squier. i've gotten into his music a bit more over the last year or so, but this video killed his career, and according to a lot of people, ruined a perfectly good song. i don't remember how to embed video, you'll have to copy & paste the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR0j7sModCI

What you describe is very reasonable and thankfully not what I was talking about. Your story was really just about poor behaviour (as you point out, it would be really obnoxious if a straight person did it too). I was trying to get at the issue of people who "don't mind gay people", but have some big problem with men acting feminine or people acting "stereotypically gay".

It's one thing for someone to act blatantly irresponsible. It's another thing entirely for someone to talk in a voice you don't like, wear clothes you don't approve of, or use mannerisms that bother you. People try to defend it by saying "oh, if a straight guy did those things, it would bother me too" (though I have to wonder why it would bother you, don't you have better things to worry about?). But really, a better comparison would be whether it would bother you if straight men did stereotypically straight things. You're bothered by gay men who like fashion, but are you bothered by straight men who like sports? You don't like the way stereotypically feminine gay men talk, but do you dislike the way stereotypically masculine straight men talk? In all likelihood, you don't even realize that most straight men speak in a certain way in the same way that you don't hear an accent in the voices of people who speak with the same accent you do.

That's more what I was trying to get at. And as a footnote, I do take it personally. It's an attitude I have to deal with on an almost daily basis - self-righteous people who are "for gay rights" as a sort of political correctness who nevertheless turn their nose up if I cross my legs or speak in too feminine a tone. In a world where men are regularly murdered for being "too feminine" I wish more people took it personally.

ok, i understand what you're getting at now. it's kinda like when an american mentions to a scotsman/englishman/irishman/insert dialect here that they're not used to the accent, more often than not the reply is "you think you're having trouble?!" i don't think there's one truly defined dialect as "the holy comparison", just different variations of the same idea. same kinda thing (sort of, i think).

i'd say if someone gives you shit on the street for being gay, that's a perfectly valid time to rub it in their faces, because you know it'll just piss them off.

 

[Greasemoicockneypalm]

Homosexuality is not manly. You might be the man in the relationship, but you've become so at the expense of your partner's dignity and masculinity. It's also pointless and embarrassing for your family, no matter how pleasurable it may be for you. A bit like blowing yourself.

Why do you think this is so? Have you been in a gay relationship or witnessed one up close? Why would one lose their masculinity and dignity from being with another man? And do you believe it is the same for Lesbian couples, that they lose their feminity and dignity?

Check post history; See he be trollin'; ignore and move on.

He picked a terrible thread to do it in, I'm not going to argue or get angry with him, I'm just going to keep asking questions and dissect what he says so I can understand his position

I'm not trolling, and yes I've known quite a few gays and lesbians. Good on you for not getting angry, I'm very impressed by your self control. I get along quite well with gays and lesbians (Though in my experience lesbians collectively constitute the chip on the shoulder of Feminism), but I don't think it's something that should be promoted as normal. Yes, I'm one of these freaks who believes in a loose standard of normality, feel free to challenge me on it. I have no problem with someone being gay, as long as they don't define themselves by it. It'd be like me advertising the fact that I enjoy having sex with women every time I meet one. Nowamsayin'?

 

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i honestly do not care i someone is gay or straight it makes NO DIFFERENCE, homosexuals have been around forever, although im not gay i wouldnt mind if a guy came onto me i'd take it as a complement and say no thanks. Same With Bis