Gender equality

[Ulvai]

There are many differences between men and women beyond purely physical. Mostly they are derived from the roles man and woman played when our species were evolving into modern human, that is hunter-gatherer society. Any physical work-heavy job would have more men, any high-risk job, any job that requires high spatial awareness. That's because men are hunters. Any job that requires fine motor skills, social skills, or color-recognition are better suited for women. They are gatherers. That all, of course is prone to deviation, as everything in natural world.

 

[SwiftBlade18]

Im not 100% on this but isnt the reason for men only being frontline soldiers because the odds are you will be fighting men...and physically speaking men are stronger...

Other than the physical capabilities of men having larger lungs etc I also believe (whether its the case anymore) that by purely having men on the frontline it keeps the soldiers more focussed on the job at hand without 'female distractions'...also its entirely possible that if women were on frontlines and were injured that more attention/sympathy would be given by comrades.

I could be wrong though...Personally I have nothing against women being in the frontline if they really want to be, but i can see why it doesnt happen

I think it is so ignorant of you not to realize that physical strength does not increase battlefield survivability. Do you think that an enemy combatant would really not hesitate to shoot a woman, a mare among stallions? Also, women are better, more chill sharpshooters than men are. remember also that a woman with military equipment and a gun is less likely to get raped than a defenseless civilian housewife. By the way, homosexual troops have more espirt de corps because they can see what they are fighting for. Why would hetroes be any different? If we have more accountability for rape, less sexism, and a greater understanding between male and females, there is no reason remaining to prevent women from being front line troops. Children have been front line troops because people didn't want to sent in the women. Men should not be the expendable gender, their stereotypical extra strength has better applications than dying.
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First off read what I said...In no way did I say this is what I think...I said "isn't the reason", I was basing what I said from possible reasons why women werent initially allowed in the military - funnily enough what I learnt in history all those years ago.

As you will also notice I said I dont see why women cant be in the frontline -.-

so overall what is the point in calling me ignorant - I can see where confusion could come into play where I said "other than the physical capabilities of men having larger lungs etc I also believe ..." but I didnt mean this as my opinion, I meant I believe I also heard.

Basically read what I say first before trying to say that thats what I believe...I mean jeez you snapped on me as if I said nazis were a good thing...to be ultra clear to you I DONT THINK THEY ARE!

 

[Dyme]

Go tell this to one of thoes female weightlifters and see how much stronger then her you are... You'r a man and should have no problems right? You will obviously be more physically fit cus you are a man. Hell, I'm man enough to admit she would kick my ass. 10.0 on the sexism scale.

Here's a picture of an average man.

Clearly stronger than the woman.

 

[William MacKay]

I'd rather have a lady babysit my kids, have a guy move my furniture, or have a girl handle my subway.

I agree with this exactly. Women have more maternal instincts naturally, men gain more muscle mass during puberty and women are more likely to have obsessive cleanliness. But other than these differences, i think jobs should be equal: business needs equality, as does politics.

 

[Emergent System]

Basic evolutionary biology tells you that males and females of the species are physically different, and as our minds are a product of our bodies, males and females have different minds. The differences may be relatively sbutle, but they're there. We will never see a 50/50 spread across professions with both genders earning the same amount of money in the same professions for these reasons.

Unless the genders magically turn identical (at which point we'd h ave only one gender... sorta defeats the purpose) there will never be the kind of "true" equality that rabid feminists lobby for.

 

[Sebenko]

Think of a scientist. Did you think of a guy in a lab coat? SEXIST!

Actually, I think of a geeky girl rolling dice.

Our game society is full of physicists.

 

[Wildflowers]

I greatly apologize if somebody covered this already;

Back during the great affirmative action of the early 90s, the Calgary Police and Fire had to induct more women to the force. They ended up lowering the standards from carrying 200lb with 60 lb of gear to something like 100/60. Still an impressive amount, don't get me wrong. But my fat ass was, and is still, 180lb. If she can't carry me out of a burning building, and 60 lb of my computer gear, SHE SHOULDNT BE ON THE FORCE.

Yes, I am a woman. Despite whatever anybody may want to claim, men and women are genetically different from each other. Believe it or not - men have bigger bodies, and with bigger bodies it is easier to grow muscle mass. Women have a higher pain tolerance. These are fundamental differences.
Would I rather hire a man to carry furniture? Probably, they are built for it, will have more longevity, and probably ***** about it less. (Kidding on the last part). But when it comes down to being a labour foreman (tip: I was one for a few years) I want someone who doesn't begin to flag at noon.

This is not to say that some women arent muscle bound Dixie-Nukem types that can bench a house, and some men can barely carry the clothes and PDA they carry. But I'd like to think that we hire a PERSON now, not a chromosome test.

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That all said, there is solid reason why there are a lot more people in one role over another, and everyone seems to overlook the point - men have been in power longer and want to stay in power. Yes, women began to get rights in the 20s blah blah, but, lets face it, it takes a person 60 years to become CEO of a company. Which means they had to start in the position of working for that company for that long. Its not that men are necessarily being hired for positions that a woman could fill, simply because they are a man, but because they have been mentored and trained by men for a longer time period. Give it 50 years for the current generation of CEOs to die off, and I think the division of genders at top levels jobs will be a lot closer than it is now.
Hell, look at regular enterprise these days - every company I have worked at for the past 20 years (aside from the labour job) has been in service or technology. And every one of those had more women in positions of power than men in positions of power, EXCEPT for those at the very top (chairmen and the like).

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I would not call myself sexist, but I would call myself a realist.
With that said, people really need to understand the difference between physiology (male/female) and constructs (masculine/feminine). Once you strip away the constructed views of society, you will find many differences between people, none of it which is positive or negative. Pro tip: most women are shorter than men. Most black folk have darker skin than white folk. Those are physiological differences. Thats what the gender argument comes down to. So stop arguing masculine/feminine, please?

 

[Verlander]

The only thing that women can't do equal to men (or vice versa) is purely physical. Everything else is sociological conditioning.

Would I care if a man was looking after my kids. No! Maybe I'd be more thrilled, because he could probably do the job better. Would I care about a female construction worker? No! With the tools and right foreman (or foreperson, if you are feeling pedantic) a woman can easily do anything a man can.

Anyone who does have problems with these are conditioned to think otherwise. It's expected that a woman should do something, or is better at something. In reality, the only actual difference is physical, and that is minute to say the least

 

[BlumiereBleck]

don't women make more money for certain jobs now-a-days?

 

[emeraldrafael]

I'm a 4.

... maybe a 5.

Why is there inequality, well, thats rather obvious. White Men run the US, and the role of women has always been significantly less, even in the biblical times (BCE).

The only thing I can say is, depending on the job, I never believed a woman should get BOTH maternity leave and sick/vacation days. It should count against her sick/vacation days if she gets pregnant. ALso, women can lose those little incentives they get for being a girl (since the world is male dominated). TIll then they can continue to take .80 cents for every dollar a man makes, because they get to leave like that and get breaks.

 

[Chrinik]

On the other issues, gender roles are there for a reason.

yup, because society is ignorant as hell and unwilling to change.

No, they are there because some people are better suited at stuff then others. Men will NEVER give birth to children and most women don´t WANT to go through the hassle of becoming a constuction worker for example. If you think I meant "Mom = Housewife and Men = Working" then you need to reconsider who the hell is ignorant and unwilling to change.
As far as I have noticed, the lines blur more and more with each passing year, I don´t know where you live, but the typical genderroles from 50-100 years ago are practically gone.
Men do womens jobs and women do men jobs, but have people actually considered that people DO THE JOBS THEY LIKE?
"Oh, there isn´t X% women in the airplane construction facility, clearly something must be wrong with this companys policy! We should FORCE them to have AT LEAST 25% female employees!!!"
This is the shit germany is currently going through...quotients here and there for friggin everything!
Sometimes it´s not societys fault that women just don´t WANT to do certain, man-typical jobs. Usually these jobs are physically harsh, dirty or what not. Office jobs and Manager positions are pretty much suited for everyone with a brain and expertise in the field, so ANYONE can do them, doesn´t hurt they pay well XD

 

[Sarge034]

Go tell this to one of thoes female weightlifters and see how much stronger then her you are... You'r a man and should have no problems right? You will obviously be more physically fit cus you are a man. Hell, I'm man enough to admit she would kick my ass. 10.0 on the sexism scale.

Here's a picture of an average man.

Clearly stronger than the woman.

Wow a sexist troll, that was cool.

Can I has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like as cool as you?

 

[dslatch]

1-10 I'm a 6 i say plenty of sexist and stupid things non of which i truly mean.

One big employment gap is Mcdonalds and the military more girls at Ron's and more dudes in cadpac camo. Though more guy managers at Mcdonalds.

 

[Dyme]

Wow a sexist troll, that was cool.

Stating that men are stronger than women is just fact. Nothing trolly or sexist about that. Men also are taller. Men also have more penises than women. Women and men aren't the same. There are differences. That's how sexist I am.

 

[Torrasque]

Think of a scientist. Did you think of a guy in a lab coat? SEXIST!

Actually, I think of a geeky girl rolling dice.

Our game society is full of physicists.

lol, I was jk about these "SEXIST!" things.

 

[Fappy]

I tell sexist jokes all the time, but aside from some preconceived notions of who should do what based on my upbringing via parenting and popular media images, I am not really all that sexist. I'd say maybe a 4, since I have preconceived ideas that probably won't go away anytime soon. The important thing is that I am aware of this and on a conscious level I can dismiss them. For the most part men and women should have equal opportunity in all aspects of life.

 

[Sarge034]

Wow a sexist troll, that was cool.

Stating that men are stronger than women is just fact. Nothing trolly or sexist about that. Men also are taller. Men also have more penises than women. Women and men aren't the same. There are differences. That's how sexist I am.

Stating that all men are stronger than women is a sexist comment. As the woman from my original post is stronger than me, and I'll bet she's stronger than you too. Right there are two cases that disprove your blanket statement. So because it can be disproved, that makes it a sexist statement. Your view on men being taller is sexist as well. As you can see in the picture she is way taller than he is. If every man in existence was stronger than every woman in existence, then it would be a valid point. If every man in existence was taller than every woman in existence, then it would be a valid point. Such as the difference in genitalia, that can be proven as fact as long as we include hermaphrodites in their own category. True, men and women are not the same and true saying the same thing twice makes it look like there are multiple valid points in your post.

Ask yourself if there are ANY women stronger then ANY men. If the answer is no, you are lying to yourself in order to continue your sexist argument. If the answer is yes, ask why you say, with no uncertainty, that ALL men are stronger and taller then ALL women.

Then regardless of your answer, stop trying to troll as you do it poorly.

 

[Plurralbles]

your x gender in y roles kinda' made me chuckle because taking it in the chromosome way makes that sentence wrong.

Anyway, meh. Whatever. I wish the entire discussion coul djust die and it actually be equal OPPORTUNITY not equal porportions. People yelling, "We want more women in this industry!" is stupid.

have peopel understand that they can do whatever they are qualified for, and never ever set specific, "you have to have 5 women working here" quotas.

 

[TacticalAssassin1]

I know somebody's going to link me to some kickass story for saying this, but if you wanted to do that, good luck getting half the army to be chicks. You get all these feminists going on about equality, which is fine, but I don't think they'd be pleased to go to war.
Again, not saying there aren't women in the armed services who most likely help out a hell of a lot, but probably not the frontlines.

As for me being sexist, probably 3 to 4, but I'm not one for picking on girls.

 

[NeoGuardian86]

Men and women are not physically equal. They should be treated as equal before the law, but in the realm of the physical they are not equals. Men have a much larger capacity for strength and endurance than women do. Women were not built to be the powerhouses that men were.

I once heard about a study preformed on the differences in aptitude of Olympians based upon sex. Women in their prime compete at approximately the same level as an adolescent boy(14-15 years old). This is why there is gender testing when people compete in the Olympics. Women simply cannot compete with men in this area.

This may seem trivial, but it's not. This is why there are a lot fewer women in the physical dominated fields. Construction, sports, and the armed forces.

The differences don't even solely manifest themselves in the areas of the muscles, either. Men have far more testosterone than women do, a chemical that controls such areas as aggression and risk taking. This is why there are more men at the top of fortune 500 companies. Men are more likely to take risks to receive the rewards. It also has to do with confidence and how likely a person is to lead vs how likely they are to be lead. This is why men dominate the fields of power in government.

Men and women are not the same creatures. They are different biologically and serve different functions entirely. There is absolutely no point in comparing the sexes and their relative merits, unless you really want a war of the sexes. Sex roles are placed upon people so that we're not comparing apples and oranges like: how many women are in construction vs how many men are.

You can determine for yourself how sexist I am.

I generally agree with this.

While i do find exceptions to the rules all the time, that doesn't change the norm of the situation.

I forget the exact details, but i do remember in my Anthropology class in college, we had a male professor, we had some female students. He made a mention how in the text there has been vast majority of societies being patriarchal but there were still a few matriarchal societies like native Americans. However as he was explaining it, and he apologized ahead, when talking about one of the Native American tribes considered Matriarchal, aside from a woman being the head (but not absolute power) of the group, and certain female centric coming of age rituals (akin to Bar Mitzvah for boys), the women were not really running the show. The girls in class did make a make fuss about it in class, but no doubt someone took offense to it.