Gene Simmons Declares War on Anonymous

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

People already aren't paying attention to the fact that it's illegal to download music/movies because it's largely uninforced. Think threatening them with a $20 fine is going to change that?

Provide a few examples of people getting fucked over as a concequence and provide proof of the ability to track down who does, and suddenly a lot less people will take the chance.

Those who still do have made their own decision. They know the concequence, and have chosen a course of action anyway. I have no sympathy.

The current (my) generation of 15-28 year olds need to learn that they can and should be held responsible for their own actions, something society has done a shit poor job of doing recently.

Don't get me wrong, I don't support piracy (exception to the rule being when something is impossible to attain any other way). However, it is a completely overblown reaction to ruin the lives of people who steal even 10 songs (a grand worth of $10).

Same goes for the court cases where a woman was sued $2,000,000 for sharing 24 songs. That sort of punishment is beyond excessive; it's impossibly greedy.

"Greed" isn't the right word, that kind of reaction is sociopathic. If you think someone should be left in a financial hole forever, and possibly serve time...for downloading a couple of albums worth of songs...where is the sense of propriety? You don't take a machete to a pillow fight...

OT: Gene had the nerve to talk about repurcussions for actions, ignoring that he is also accountable for the words that come out of his mouth. What he said was stupid...I get the feeling that he has been rich for too long.

He's a tool at this point in his life.

 

[Jzolr0708]

Good luck to him. I am getting sick of this "Don't mess with Anonymous" fear that so many people seem to feel.

You name makes this ironic.

Anonymous didn't invent the word, nor motto. They borrowed it as I did, so I disagree.

In fairness to Balrin, anon is more famously know for using the word than you are, and you show a disliking for the anonymous. So yeah, it is ironic.

True, but as I pointed out, I borrowed it, I am not claiming originality. I also like it for reasons that are completely different from theirs (based upon their attitude and actions that is).

Their ideal seems to be "We are many and you don't know us, so don't mess with us". Which to me, is just plain cowardice. Old school bullying where they can't do it alone or if they risk any consequences.

well so much for liking simmons, he sounds like a pretty big dick

Ya, he's a total dick for vowing to go after people who are engaged in illegal activities, including attacking his own site. He should learn that these crimes don't hurt anybody, and that poor college kids can't afford to buy music so should be given it for free.

Oh wait...

He's a dick for saying that he wants people to lose their homes, lose their lives and put them in jail for downloading a song that's worth $0.99

If they are that stupid to risk going to jail for that then that's their problem not his.

No, he's stupid for saying that over 10 million people should lose everything and get anally penetrated in a prison cell for stealing 99 cents.

In the US, there are laws about that. They're in place so that people don't get punished badly for small crimes. Just like a pickpocket shouldn't be executed, someone who downloads 99 cent music off the internet for free shouldn't go to jail for life.

How about, instead of arresting the guy who's buying pot, you arrest the goddamn idiot who is selling it worldwide. If Gene Simmons crack team of lawyers can track down every last Anon and get them V& off to jail then they should maybe spend less time doing pointless tasks and maybe spend more arresting the people who allow illegal downloads to happen.

 

[Requx]

Good luck to him. I am getting sick of this "Don't mess with Anonymous" fear that so many people seem to feel.

You name makes this ironic.

Anonymous didn't invent the word, nor motto. They borrowed it as I did, so I disagree.

In fairness to Balrin, anon is more famously know for using the word than you are, and you show a disliking for the anonymous. So yeah, it is ironic.

True, but as I pointed out, I borrowed it, I am not claiming originality. I also like it for reasons that are completely different from theirs (based upon their attitude and actions that is).

Their ideal seems to be "We are many and you don't know us, so don't mess with us". Which to me, is just plain cowardice. Old school bullying where they can't do it alone or if they risk any consequences.

well so much for liking simmons, he sounds like a pretty big dick

Ya, he's a total dick for vowing to go after people who are engaged in illegal activities, including attacking his own site. He should learn that these crimes don't hurt anybody, and that poor college kids can't afford to buy music so should be given it for free.

Oh wait...

He's a dick for saying that he wants people to lose their homes, lose their lives and put them in jail for downloading a song that's worth $0.99

If they are that stupid to risk going to jail for that then that's their problem not his.

No, he's stupid for saying that over 10 million people should lose everything and get anally penetrated in a prison cell for stealing 99 cents.

In the US, there are laws about that. They're in place so that people don't get punished badly for small crimes. Just like a pickpocket shouldn't be executed, someone who downloads 99 cent music off the internet for free shouldn't go to jail for life.

How about, instead of arresting the guy who's buying pot, you arrest the goddamn idiot who is selling it worldwide. If Gene Simmons crack team of lawyers can track down every last Anon and get them V& off to jail then they should maybe spend less time doing pointless tasks and maybe spend more arresting the people who allow illegal downloads to happen.

History class taught me about 400 years ago the people stopped hanging people for theft in the rennaissance. And Gene Simmons is gonna make the law crazy again. What I never got is techinically everything shared over the internet is data and information so under the law of free speech, why would you make it so people cant share information? So much for a free country (at least we can pirate her in Canada just fine ).

 

[radicaledward92]

*Gene Simmons has alerted the horde*

O well this should be fun to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13r8Ku8GAEI&feature=related

LOL!!!!

 

[puppetz616]

Everyone on this thread has most likely pirated SOMETHING in their years on the internet and to stand up for Gene Simmons would only be hypocritical. No, I don't like Anon. But I refuse to put myself on any side of this VERY wrong war.

 

[CheckD3]

Out of everyone, it sounds like Gene Simmons can give Anonymous a run for their money. I expect nothing but a win for our faceless friends in Anonymous, but out of all their targets, I think Gene Simmons will do the most damage before he get crushed.

Anonymous is like the Iron Maiden regenerate from RE4...it's lethal and dangerous, sure that one has to die, but Gene doesn't have the thermal scope, so it's going to take a lot of damage, and have to regenerate a lot, but in the end Gene will end up on the painful side of it's long iron spikes...sorry Gene, you did better than most

I rue the day we see a Leon Kennedy take on Anonymous

 

[Sanguinius- The Angel]

This is fucking hilarious. I hope Gene Simmons gets what's coming to him. He's a big prick.

 

[Odoylerules360]

wow, umm... fuck Gene Simmons. He deserves every unfortunate thing that happens to him from now on.

 

[Turbo_Destructor]

Well i gotta say best of luck to him. music/movie/game downloading is essentially stealing (even if i download the occasional thing myself) - it is an economic leakage and puts people out of their jobs, and he is a member of the music industry - so basically he is being stolen from.

You're still kind of a dick Gene Simmons, but I respect your cause.

 

[Giest4life]

There is One Gene Simmons, and there are a million+ anons. Yep, he's pretty much fucked.

 

[FaceFaceFace]

That's the common way of looking at it, but I've never agreed with that. I know my view isn't widely shared so I'm not trying to call you wrong or anything, but:
Would you ever steal a candy bar? I wouldn't. Why? Stealing is wrong. Sure, all "bad" things are excusable in certain situations, but I think we can agree that stealing a candy bar has to be the result of a simple disregard for law and/or moral values. Taking what is not yours without good reason is wrong. In other words, those who would commit crimes are fundamentally different from ordinary people, and common thieves are closer to murderers than to regular human beings.

If that's not convincing, how about this simple idea. How many people's lives would be ruined if that was the penalty for stealing a candy bar? Probably none, because no one would steal a candy bar if the punishment was that bad. If the punishment fits the crime, people are more willing to commit the crime. It's like opportunity cost in economics. When the US government raised safety requirements in cars, people in general started driving faster and pedestrian deaths increased. If the risks of an action, ie stealing a candy bar, are huge, then no one will take the risk. If every crime was punishable by death, only the stupidist or most insane would actually commit crimes.

you ever been or used youtube, im quite sure fair use will not protect you. Im assuming you have as most of the internet as we know it has been there and listened to music at least once.

edit sorry reread your post

so j walking should equal death eh?
littering should equal death?

i get what your saying here but you do see why this isnt the case... right?

And i really dont care which side wins as it stands, its not going to change all that much anyway if either side wins.

I think the old saying goes Stuck between a rock and a hard place.

As far as I'm aware, there is a difference between listening to a song and downloading it, but I'm no copyright expert.

And to answer the question, unless I'm missing something the only reason I see why small crimes don't have inordinate punishments is that most punishment systems are based on proportionate retribution, and my entire point is that disproportionate punishments would be far more effective.

And obviously, no, J-walking and littering should not equal death, but there is a distinct and easily maintained difference between theft or violence and disobeying civil regulations, like those or speeding or solicitation. Crimes like those are differentiated in today's world by fines vs. jail time, and they would be differentiated in a world where disproportionate penalties were normal.

 

[Macgyvercas]

I fear to watch, yet I can not turn away.

*munches popcorn*

At least it will be a good show.

Is there any way that both can lose? Please?

The only way that will happen is if they pull out the internet nukes.

 

[lacktheknack]

The real question to me is can he really find out who took down his site?

I don't think so.

Well, then he is an idiot. If there would be anyone who could call out his false threats, it would be anonymous.

He thinks they can be caught... but they never have. That's why I'm waiting for Simmons giblets to hit the wall fairly soon.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

The Unstoppable Force VS The Immovable Object. This war is going to be like Hulk VS Superman.

 

[zidine100]

I can just listen on Grooveshark or Youtube or whatever, and that's good enough for me. I'll just grab the popcorn and sit back while I watch Gene Simmons and The Internet duke it out...

i hate to tell you this but that in itself would probably class as piracy. (youtube anyway, ive never heard of grooveshark myself.)

 

[Canid117]

Unless you somehow ended internet anonymity entirely

Key words, here.

If you're in the USA... then this should be frightening to you, because that's what's coming. Obama wants an internet kill switch, as it is... you really think it's out of the question that there would eventually be some law in effect that would force internet users to somehow log on under a single user profile directly tied into their personal information? Yea it'd be a ***** to set up at this point... but out of the question? No.

Anonymous, those stupid, arrogant fuck tards who think they can just bully everyone until they get what they want, are only going to make this a reality faster than it would normally have happened.

Once the situation with "anon" is taken before a federal judge, politicians, etc, whatever... things are going to start rolling to close down the internet in ways that don't allow that type of behavior.

And we'll have Anon to blame for speeding the process along by serving as a PRIME example of why internet anonymity is dangerous.

While 4Chan can get nasty they are not enough of a nuisance to the government for them to be the catalyst for the end of internet anonymity. A kill switch does not mean they would no longer be anonymous. It is also a nasty breach of the constitution and so would be highly unlikely for anything like this to actually pass. The constitution would keep the government from removing internet anonymity and the free market is going to prevent private companies from trying it because they would lose all their customers.

 

[MurderousToaster]

While I personally find the actions of Anonymous kind of annoying, what he's suggesting is to effectively seek out and destroy the lives of anyone who's every downloaded a song illegally. I don't think it's unfair for his site to go down after saying something like that. It's somewhat akin to somebody getting their car's tires popped for saying that the death penalty should be instated for petty theft.

Quite frankly, Simmons seems like a prick to me.

 

[putowtin]

cough**publicity stunt**cough

 

[radicaledward92]

Says the man whose son blatantly plagiarised one of the trinity manga for his own.

Do you mean Bleach or is this more plagiarism I haven't heard of? Because I remember seeing the side-by-sides of his art [http://community.livejournal.com/bleachness/446299.html] and Tite Kubo's and there's characters that are basically redrawn/retraced panels of Kenpachi and Orihime with... er... bleached hair. (And a bunch of other dubious stuff.)

Second, they might find their little butts in jail, right next to someone who's been there for years and is looking for a new girl friend.

So piracy is evil but rape is totally okay. Good work there.

But piracy hurts his bank balance and rape is something that happens to other people. So it's OK.

I think he's pissed that his kid was caught copying from all them famous manga books, and is taking it out on the internet...LOL!

 

[ZodiacBraves]

This is ridiculous, piracy has and will exist with or without anon.

He never stated he was going after Anon because of piracy. He made an opinion about piracy which incited Anon's wrath. After they brought down his website he "declared war" with them as payback.

Is the underlying battle focused around piracy? Yes, but he probably wouldn't have struck back if they hadn't made the first blow.