Gene Simmons Declares War on Anonymous

[lordoftheLOL]

They actually consider themselves a threat to America.

actually, fox and bbc and everyone who declared them "internet terrorists" made them considered as threats. but, being 4chan, they took this as an opportunity to milk it dry.

 

[Tdc2182]

"Our legal team and the FBI have been on the case and we have found a few, shall we say 'adventurous' young people, who feel they are above the law. And, as stated in my MIPCOM speech, we will sue their pants off."

It actually surprises me how many people are taking this guys side on this. Sure Anon isn't exactly the hero The Internet wants, but it's certainly the one it deserves.

Don't ever consider or even hint at considering them heroes. They are kids who think they are above the law because they can use a computer. They promote trolling and give death threats to people they don't like because they hide behind a proxy. They said themselves that they laugh at peoples death and genocide. Call them what they really are:

Computer geeks with a bad experience at High School and to many batman fantasies.

 

[Raziel_Likes_Souls]

Good luck to him. I am getting sick of this "Don't mess with Anonymous" fear that so many people seem to feel.

You name makes this ironic.

Ditto.

But, really, the last person I remember that messed with 4chan was Tom Green, and look where he is.

 

[Cat Cloud]

He's not treating them as "Anonymous" but as individuals. Things will get interesting when Anonymous is no longer anonymous, even if it's only parts of it.

 

[Raziel Paragorne]

Personally I wish anonymous well in this.
Gene sounds like a media-attention glutton and if his greatest reassurance is that some "adventurous kids" have been tagged by the FBI I think he's fooling himself.

I may not agree with all of Anonymous goals but they were on our side during the "Conroy wants to filter the internet" fiasco and I'm glad to see there are still people willing to fight for what they believe in...even if that fight is from behind a wall of proxies scattered throughout the cloud with numerous bots cleaning up access records in their wake.

 

[e.wlmo4]

If you actually sued everyone who downloaded a song illegally you would clog up the legal system for years and all of the murderers and rapists would walk free for years just waiting for their trial.

What sounds better.

 

[Arec Balrin]

Copyrights exist for one reason and one reason only: to preserve the free public dissemination of recorded works...oh wait. No that was what it was created for, which has nothing to do with what it's for now which is almost the complete opposite of what it was originally meant to do. Damn.

I usually don't quote twice in a row, but what you said is so ignorant I just had to.

First of all, read the copyright laws before commenting.

Second, copyright was created to help foster innovation by providing a means to profit off of your work. Without the right to exclusivity that is guaranteed by the copyright laws then people would have no means to legally protect their inventions. How many people do you think would sacrifice years of their lives to make something just so other people could sell it without giving them a nickel? Don't even pretend you would.

Third, even when something falls into the public domain that does not mean the inventor has to give out his/her secrets. That just means that the invention/work is no longer protected and people now have the right to copy and sell that invention/work, IF they can, without having to compensate the creator.

The moral of the story is: Nothing is free.

First of all, read what I actually write before commenting on it: at no point did I mention anything about the content of copyright laws, not that you even bother to specify which ones, for which country. Let me specify one for you: the Statute of Anne; the first copyright law. Whilst you are very vaguely correct on some things, you gloss over them and put the emphasis in the wrong places; especially neglecting to mention just how short exclusive copyright was. The law itself could only be justified on the basis that it would benefit the public, not the publishers and stationers, which is ultimately the effect it had; the opposite of what most copyright laws do today. They recognised at the time that copyright was not a 'natural' right to be presumed, unlike today where it is presumed 'creators' have an absolute moral right.

It was never about commercial gain but to ensure that original work and the widest dissemination was possible; a social goal. It never would have been entertained if it had been suggested that authors(or publishers) should have the right to live off the royalties of a few works shielded forever from unauthorised dissemination.

Much of the rest of your post has diddly to do with anything I did say.

 

[lacktheknack]

Ya, he's a total dick for vowing to go after people who are engaged in illegal activities, including attacking his own site. He should learn that these crimes don't hurt anybody, and that poor college kids can't afford to buy music so should be given it for free.

Oh wait...

He's a dick for saying that he wants people to lose their homes, lose their lives and put them in jail for downloading a song that's worth $0.99

If they are that stupid to risk going to jail for that then that's their problem not his.

I agree with you there, Legion. Sorry guys, but theft is theft. You break the law you go to jail and/or pay the fine; period. Rock on and happy hunting, Gene!

Pay a fine = good.

Repossess your house, your car, your belongings and all your money = Bond villain.

Perspective, people.

 

[Nephilium]

Ok so Anon is the combined forces of 4chan and beyond. Gene said some dumb shit, anon hacked them, he said more dumb shit and they hacked him again. . . hmm, know what we need to get this realy going? Gene to get a few hackers of his own and hit 4chan. Now while i wait for this to happen im going to go grab some popcorn.

 

[lacktheknack]

have fun backtracing it Gene. most of the leads will go thru china.

Except there's nothing to backtrack. Anonymous are better then that.

 

[nightwolf667]

The FBI is involved? Well they would be DOS attacks are considered cyber terrorism and is prosecutable under the law. They messed with people who are perfectly happy to sue their asses off, press charges, and stick them in jail when they find them.

It's not just Gene Simmons versus Anonymous, it's the FBI versus Anonymous. Who do you think is going to win?

(hint: It's probably not Anonymous.)

 

[Irony's Acolyte]

*Gene Simmons has alerted the horde*

O well this should be fun to watch.

HA! So very appropriate. The thing is, I think Gene is wielding a auto-shotgun.

This seems really interesting. Although at first I was somewhat skeptical of anyone actually being able to do some damage to Anon, by the sounds of it Gene might have what it takes to do so. If they (the FBI and Gene's legal team) have managed to nab a couple of people or Anon did back off after Gene's threat, well me might just find out what Anon is really made of. I mean has anyone really (and I mean really) stood up to Anon with such bravado before? We might find out that Anonymous is for the most part a paper tiger; all roar, no bite.

Either way this looks like a good show.

 

[Fabian920]

I'm a lurker but this thread was very interesting to me, so I decided to voice my opinion.

The lawsuits that happen for downloading content worth $10 or doesn't even matter how much the content is worth. The money they want to cheat you out of is just bogus. I don't understand how it came down to bullshit like this where some pricks in suits could take thousands of dollars from you just because you don't want to watch advertisements or waste money on shit that's not worth 1/4th of its' value.

 

[Void(null)]

Anonymous is like the hydra, cut off one head and two will grow in its place.

Gene nor the FBI will never be able to take down the whole of anonymous, for there is no whole. They may be able to cut off a few heads but they will not slay the beast.

 

[lacktheknack]

The FBI is involved? Well they would be DOS attacks are considered cyber terrorism and is prosecutable under the law. They messed with people who are perfectly happy to sue their asses off, press charges, and stick them in jail when they find them.

It's not just Gene Simmons versus Anonymous, it's the FBI versus Anonymous. Who do you think is going to win?

(hint: It's probably not Anonymous.)

It's the FBI against an enormous, uncontainable group of merciless sadists, many of whom are excellent at confusing, erasing and planting the digital trail of breadcrumbs. Quite frankly, it's more like watching Saw then anything else.

 

[JeanLuc761]

Pay a fine = good.

Repossess your house, your car, your belongings and all your money = Bond villain.

Perspective, people.

Well said, my good sir.

 

[Imat]

I sincerely hope he makes some actual arrests here. Anonymity is great and all, but hacking a legitimate site because you don't agree with the views of the owner (Especially when his views are "Don't illegally download music.") is something to get punished over. These people have been hiding behind their anonymity for too long, its about time somebody who could potentially win fought back.

 

[lacktheknack]

I sincerely hope he makes some actual arrests here. Anonymity is great and all, but hacking a legitimate site because you don't agree with the views of the owner (Especially when his views are "Don't illegally download music.") is something to get punished over. These people have been hiding behind their anonymity for too long, its about time somebody who could potentially win fought back.

Again, those responsible can lead any tracers around like they have strings attached to them. No one's getting arrested, but someone may end up mentally broken here.

 

[Imat]

I sincerely hope he makes some actual arrests here. Anonymity is great and all, but hacking a legitimate site because you don't agree with the views of the owner (Especially when his views are "Don't illegally download music.") is something to get punished over. These people have been hiding behind their anonymity for too long, its about time somebody who could potentially win fought back.

Again, those responsible can lead any tracers around like they have strings attached to them. No one's getting arrested, but someone may end up mentally broken here.

And again, that's kinda why I hate them. As the article says, these guys think they're somehow above the law. Why do people frown upon techies? Because they lay those stupid mines everywhere and because half of them of hackers who, instead of trying to better humanity in any way, shape, or form, attempt to spread as much anarchy as possible just to prove they can't get caught. They shouldn't be congratulated for their acts of cyber-vandalism.

 

[zana bonanza]

Anon is, I dunno. Sometimes they use their power for good and that's when I like 'em, but most of the time they're just a bunch of assholes hiding behind their computers and numbers. They don't rule the internet and I'm sick of people acting like they do.

But Gene is also, I dunno. I like him and like some of KISS's songs, and I agree that illegal downloading is a *****. But I think his stance might be a little extreme.

Maybe they'll clash at equal powers and just neutralize each other.