Travis Higuet said:
blakfayt said:
Travis Higuet said:
Socken said:
Puddle Jumper said:
JeanLuc761 said:
He's a dick for saying that he wants people to lose their homes, lose their lives and put them in jail for downloading a song that's worth $0.99
It's funny because if a song of his is being pirated, and it hypothetically gets downloaded 100000 times, he loses 99000 bucks.
It's also funny because he really doesn't lose anything. The money doesn't just vanish from his account each time someone downloads a song. He just makes less than he could have made, assuming that everybody who pirated his music would buy it if they had to. And that is very questionable if you ask me.
It's not relevant though. You're suggesting that walking into BestBuy and taking a TV without paying for it isn't necessarily stealing as long as nobody else was likely to buy that TV. When you gain control of a product against the will of the product's owner, then you are a thief, it is as simple as that. I know everybody wants to obfuscate reality in order to justify their actions, but it simply is what it is. Nobody is suggesting the death penalty, just maybe fine for those caught, with a minimum and a maximum on a case by case basis. The guys that need to do some hard time are the Anonymous people who think that they can go around damaging people's personal property in order to get them to shut up about not liking being stolen from.
You just compared something that takes materials to make, where as music takes nothing but time and effort. Look, I'll go spend the next ten minutes making a pot of Mac'n'cheese then demand someone pay for it, then I'll sue the local grocery store for having boxes of it and claim that their selling boxes of my creation are taking possible profit from my new business. FACT: Just because you make something does not give you the right to make money off it.
That is an unbelievably ignorant statement. At least in the context that you mean it. Of course he doesn't have the right to make money off of it, that would mean that people are forced to buy it. But if they do want it however, FACT: then people must give him what he wants in exchange. The idea that you can steal whatever you like so long as it isn't made of metal and plastic or whatever is just ridiculous. Why do you think we have copyright law? Why do you think we have patent law? Lets say that you are a pharmaceutical company, and you spend 500 million dollars researching and developing a new type of cancer medication. You now have to sell it at a certain price in order to make your money back and be profitable. The profit margin being necessary to pay your scientists a wage that will keep them working for you and not for some other pharmaceutical company. You also need that profit to be able to start working on research and development of the next cancer drug, or heart disease medication or whatever. But what if after you released your new cancer drug, some other drug company lets call them Blakfaytpharm decides to buy one bottle of your product and then reverse engineer it, and start selling it for 5 bucks a bottle, which they can do, because they aren't 500mil in the hole because of the research. A society where that is totally legal is a society where NOTHING gets invented. There would be NO pharmaceutical research, because people wouldn't be able to get back the money they invest. There would be virtually no technological advancement at all. If thats the kind of world you want to live in, just so that you can justify in your own mind your stealing of the intellectual property of others, then please go somewhere else to create that world.
Let's say it only costs me pennies on the dollar to make that medication, lets say that I could make a whole shipment for about $20 and will sell the bottles for $20. Meaning a whole box with 500 bottles makes me $10000. Now half goes to me half to the team. Who gets fucked here? The guys who have to pay, and that is basically what CDs are, they want $20 for something I'm gonna use for a short period of time that cost them less than a dollar to make millions of. THAT IS FUCKED UP. I don't care who you are, when you charge an insane price for something that cost next to nothing to produce then you're an asshole who deserves to be stolen from. (yes, I'm saying I would break into Bill Gates' house and steal his shit, cause he could afford to replace it)
"But wait, they have to pay the band!"
Fuck, are you retarded? The band makes about 5% from record sales, the real money in music is from performances, 5% of $20 is negligible compared to the some 90% for each $100 ticket sold to a 10,000 seat arena. Look, people don't complain when I print out a fancy piece of art work and hang it on my wall. It's not the original and as long as I don't say it's the original then it's not illegal, it's a copy of the Mona Lisa. But it is illegal to have a copy of some music? I'm not trying to sell it (like the example you gave above, I'm not making money off of my pirated songs) I'm just not giving them money for it. If I rob a store chances are it's to sell the TV for money, not to use in my home.
