Ghostbusters heading for $70 million loss

[Here Comes Tomorrow]

How do you think they came up with the 100 million estimate?

Well, when the director says the film needs to make $500 million to break even at a low estimate you can generally assume thats a reliable source.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

Star Trek is barely doing better than Ghostbusters, and arguably (compared to its production budget) doing much worse. Yet no-one is arguing that the numbers mean "the death of the Star Trek Franchise." No one is arguing that Star Trek's bad numbers were caused by its male dominated cast and the producers "making things political." No one is even arguing that Star Trek is a bad movie or suffered from poor marketing. No one is claiming that Star Trek has made a $100 million dollar loss, even though it would need to make approximately $340 million to [hollywood accounting]break even[/hollywood accounting].

I'm going to ignore the next six or so posts you made, because it seems like you got into a back-and-forth that I don't want any part of, and say:

There are differences between the Star Trek and Ghostbusters franchises. Star Trek has produced, what...a dozen films? Ghostbusters has produced two films, with the last one in 1989.

To secure people's confidence in another film, Ghostbusters '16 had to be a clear success. Even a barely-adequate success, like BvS, probably would've been enough. But it's kind of tanked, fairly unambiguously. When the first film in a planned franchise tanks, the franchise itself is usually stillborn.

By comparision, ST:B has a dozen Trek films behind it as well as the two mostly-solid reboot films. I'm not sure if they'll make another film with the reboot's cast, but they'll definitely make another Star Trek film at some point in the future.

So even though ST:B and Ghostbusters got mostly the same response from audiences ("Meh"), only one of them is going to kill their franchise. That's why the Ghostbusters story gets more attention, I guess. That, and the gender war nonsense.

And if you want people bitching about ST:B...they're out there. There was so much salty hate in the air when the trailers launched that it made my skin all dry and flaky. In general, I don't see how comparing this to ST:B is going to work as a defence of the film or...whatever point it is you're trying to make, I'm honestly not sure. Your posts after the quoted one are kind of a mess of split-up quotes, [citations needed], and arguing about a person's methodology. I really don't wanna stick my hand in there.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

Yep. It SUUUURE will. After all the tie in videogame sure sold well! And a number of stores haven't been putting the toys in the discount bins!

Seriously, if people didn't go to see it in theaters enough to make back the budget, what on EARTH makes you think they're gonna buy enough home copies to make up the difference!?

Dude even Waterworld broke even on VHS. A movie not making it's money back on home video pretty much never happens.

Everyone who thinks they know how this stuff works should read Mark Kermode's The Good, The Bad and The Multiplex.

Home media sales are a very important element of a film's total gross profit that never seems to get mentioned in the immediate aftermath of a film's release; probably because it takes years for that money to trickle in. When it does, though, DVD sales and streaming/television rights can match or exceed the entire theatrical take of a film. Though the exact rate of return seems to vary wildly [https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/2rss6d/how_much_money_do_movies_usually_make_off_of/] depending on the region you're talking about.

Ghostbusters tanked, but not so hard that it won't eventually make its money back. Maybe hard enough to hold off hopes for a sequel, though.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

What makes Youtube different because it is FREE so we can put up with occasional lag and internet issue resulting in disconnects.

And lets not forget that streaming services are so fucking picky with Netflix just having a constantly back and forth cataloge because publishers just willy nilly remove and put back certain movies.

Star Trek movies in Netflix for example has been constantly coming and going. Today Star Trek Nemesis is here, but 4 months from now it will be removed than another 4 months later they bring it back.

 

[Shiver Me Tits]

If these numbers check out, then someone's in it really, really deep.

Cool infographic! Can you make one for Star Trek Beyond? That would be AWESOME!

Hell I don't even know what Beyond's marketing budget was outside of the fact it was significantly lower then Ghostbusters.

...what makes you think that?

The infographic makes it quite clear that the Ghostbusters Marketing Budget is estimated: which translates to "pulled out of thin air." It looks like it uses the "Traditional Hollywood Accounting" formula to come up with the $100 million figure: so Star Trek would have had a marketing budget between $100-150 million.

Estimates should be different than guesses, in that estimates are based on history and usually some kind of formula. Sadly, "Estimate" is often the term used by practitioners of the Guess. The test isn't to dismiss it though, but to ask for the basis of the estimate.

I've given the basis for the estimate. Hollywood Accounting.

Well yeah, but I was wondering about the basis for Zontar's estimate, I already get that you're understandably unimpressed by it.

 

[Shiver Me Tits]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

 

[Shiver Me Tits]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Your saying you don't buy and collect Home Media?

 

[Shiver Me Tits]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Your saying you don't buy and collect Home Media?

I'm saying that I used to, and now I get access to more anime for $10 than I ever did before without spending tens of thousands of dollars. My taste has rapidly improved in that time, since I can just try so many different types out, instead of investing only in what I previously enjoyed.

I'm also saying that most people other than the handful of otaku here, could not afford it. Streaming is much better for virtually everyone who isn't into collecting for the sake of a collection.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Your saying you don't buy and collect Home Media?

I'm saying that I used to, and now I get access to more anime for $10 than I ever did before without spending tens of thousands of dollars. My taste has rapidly improved in that time, since I can just try so many different types out, instead of investing only in what I previously enjoyed.

I'm also saying that most people other than the handful of otaku here, could not afford it. Streaming is much better for virtually everyone who isn't into collecting for the sake of a collection.

As long as the internet is still working properly.

 

[Shiver Me Tits]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Your saying you don't buy and collect Home Media?

I'm saying that I used to, and now I get access to more anime for $10 than I ever did before without spending tens of thousands of dollars. My taste has rapidly improved in that time, since I can just try so many different types out, instead of investing only in what I previously enjoyed.

I'm also saying that most people other than the handful of otaku here, could not afford it. Streaming is much better for virtually everyone who isn't into collecting for the sake of a collection.

As long as the internet is still working properly.

Now you get to give me the scenario in which my internet goes away, and I'm still in a position to be collecting fucking DVD's.

This should be excellent.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Your saying you don't buy and collect Home Media?

I'm saying that I used to, and now I get access to more anime for $10 than I ever did before without spending tens of thousands of dollars. My taste has rapidly improved in that time, since I can just try so many different types out, instead of investing only in what I previously enjoyed.

I'm also saying that most people other than the handful of otaku here, could not afford it. Streaming is much better for virtually everyone who isn't into collecting for the sake of a collection.

As long as the internet is still working properly.

Now you get to give me the scenario in which my internet goes away, and I'm still in a position to be collecting fucking DVD's.

This should be excellent.

To comprimise I wish for the days of DRM Free digital movies like the same as buying games on GOG.

 

[Shiver Me Tits]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Your saying you don't buy and collect Home Media?

I'm saying that I used to, and now I get access to more anime for $10 than I ever did before without spending tens of thousands of dollars. My taste has rapidly improved in that time, since I can just try so many different types out, instead of investing only in what I previously enjoyed.

I'm also saying that most people other than the handful of otaku here, could not afford it. Streaming is much better for virtually everyone who isn't into collecting for the sake of a collection.

As long as the internet is still working properly.

Now you get to give me the scenario in which my internet goes away, and I'm still in a position to be collecting fucking DVD's.

This should be excellent.

To comprimise I wish for the days of DRM Free digital movies like the same as buying games on GOG.

And when were those mythical days, outside of your imagination?

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Your saying you don't buy and collect Home Media?

I'm saying that I used to, and now I get access to more anime for $10 than I ever did before without spending tens of thousands of dollars. My taste has rapidly improved in that time, since I can just try so many different types out, instead of investing only in what I previously enjoyed.

I'm also saying that most people other than the handful of otaku here, could not afford it. Streaming is much better for virtually everyone who isn't into collecting for the sake of a collection.

As long as the internet is still working properly.

Now you get to give me the scenario in which my internet goes away, and I'm still in a position to be collecting fucking DVD's.

This should be excellent.

To comprimise I wish for the days of DRM Free digital movies like the same as buying games on GOG.

And when were those mythical days, outside of your imagination?

I never said or implied that DRM Free Digital Films were a thing in the past. I am saying it is something I hope to happen in the future.

 

[Shiver Me Tits]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Your saying you don't buy and collect Home Media?

I'm saying that I used to, and now I get access to more anime for $10 than I ever did before without spending tens of thousands of dollars. My taste has rapidly improved in that time, since I can just try so many different types out, instead of investing only in what I previously enjoyed.

I'm also saying that most people other than the handful of otaku here, could not afford it. Streaming is much better for virtually everyone who isn't into collecting for the sake of a collection.

As long as the internet is still working properly.

Now you get to give me the scenario in which my internet goes away, and I'm still in a position to be collecting fucking DVD's.

This should be excellent.

To comprimise I wish for the days of DRM Free digital movies like the same as buying games on GOG.

And when were those mythical days, outside of your imagination?

I never said or implied that DRM Free Digital Films were a thing in the past. I am saying it is something I hope to happen in the future.

Oh, so you were just dodging my question, "Now you get to give me the scenario in which my internet goes away, and I'm still in a position to be collecting fucking DVD's."

Still waiting on that btw. I don't wish for a future of buying stuff for the sake of buying it, sorry, and I don't anticipate a future without the internet that includes me enjoying anime and games at home somehow.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Not as green as yours, Mr. Joined-less-than-a-month-ago.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

At this point Hollywood should just lower the box office standard. Stop expecting every movie to be a billion dollar maker.

And stop bloating Marketing and use cheaper methods of marketing.

I agree totally with the second point, but there's some background stuff working to prevent the first;

Spoiler: Background Stuff

- Studios take much a smaller cut of the first-week ticket sales than they used to, due to a number of theatre chains folding in the 2000s. For example, when Phantom Menace came out, some theatres got to keep literally about 1% of the ticket price during the first week. Nowadays, the deals with theatre chains are more egalitarian (it seems to average at about a 50% split), which is good for theatres and theoretically good for customers of theatres, but means that a film has to make twice as much box office gross as it did in 1999 in order to reach the same profit.

- Films are becoming more expensive to make, for much the same reason that AAA video game releases are - the special effects technology advances, and so does the manpower cost and amount of post-production work required to get the film looking up-to-par.

- While home media has been super important for the past couple decades, DVD sales have been declining in favour of cheaper streaming services, and there's always the looming spectre of internet piracy and/or some technological advancement shaking everything up again; that all combines to make studios more keen on the fast, "guaranteed" box office haul instead of a slow, less-predictable home media profit over ~10 years.

So, yeah. Major franchise films with a $1 bllion target number aren't going away anytime soon.

I do think that these films have a problem with inflated marketing budgets, mainly because no-one should have to spend $150 million dollars [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/04/06/was-the-400-million-warner-bros-paid-for-batman-v-superman-a-good-investment/#54beb7a47d67] marketing a film where Batman fights Superman, for Christ's sake. This is what the internet is for.

Streaming is the devil incarnete. People complain about Games being Always Online DRM yet they can put up with Streaming movies/shows?

Do you come from an alternate reality where most people bought their TV shows outright, and value owning them for long periods of time? I guess you're at least a Millenial, to not realize that the history of television is a history of BROADCAST.

Games have a very different history, so we have a rare moment here, and that is a non-fallacious invocation of the "Apples and Oranges" confusion.

I lived through TV for a long time now. And I am mostly thinking of DVD/Home Media and that streaming is killing it.

DVD/Home media. You mean the multi-billion dollar empire that ended up being mostly Blockbuster?

Oh how liberating. I wish I could get rid of my giant library of content and go back to renting it by the one or two, along with abusive late fees.

No offense, but between this and your passion for various studio dog eggs on release, I have to wonder how green is your astroturf?

Your saying you don't buy and collect Home Media?

I'm saying that I used to, and now I get access to more anime for $10 than I ever did before without spending tens of thousands of dollars. My taste has rapidly improved in that time, since I can just try so many different types out, instead of investing only in what I previously enjoyed.

I'm also saying that most people other than the handful of otaku here, could not afford it. Streaming is much better for virtually everyone who isn't into collecting for the sake of a collection.

As long as the internet is still working properly.

Now you get to give me the scenario in which my internet goes away, and I'm still in a position to be collecting fucking DVD's.

This should be excellent.

To comprimise I wish for the days of DRM Free digital movies like the same as buying games on GOG.

And when were those mythical days, outside of your imagination?

I never said or implied that DRM Free Digital Films were a thing in the past. I am saying it is something I hope to happen in the future.

Oh, so you were just dodging my question, "Now you get to give me the scenario in which my internet goes away, and I'm still in a position to be collecting fucking DVD's."

Still waiting on that btw. I don't wish for a future of buying stuff for the sake of buying it, sorry, and I don't anticipate a future without the internet that includes me enjoying anime and games at home somehow.

No idea how assess the scenario than.