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Knowing human nature, I'm sure that none of them mocked the social code and asked for unnecessary fights in the way the protagonist does. They would have known their limitations. That character written with authenticity would be interesting.
No, they wouldn't, because they wouldn't become the protagonist of a story at all. If the protagonist was 'authentic' enough to know their fight was 'unnecessary', then there's no story, and therefore no game. That's the point that everybody else in this thread has been trying to get across. And I'm pretty sure that you're the only one still not getting it.

Then again, based on what you've said previously, "no game", or rather for this game to not come out, seems to be what you want.
 
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Then again, based on what you've said previously, "no game", or rather for this game to not come out, seems to be what you want.
It'll do great, and he cry about how everyone are "mindless sheep" for having fun and enjoying it. Just like the usual self-fart sniffing grifter. It's all they ever do.
 

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Women like the protagonist didn't exist or are not documented to have existed. I'm not going to explain it because your last post made it apparent that you're not reading.
Can I ask you while that would be a deal breaker? After all the first Ghost game was all about the Samurai code centuries before the Samurai code got invented. The Katana wasn't the sword Samurai would use at the time either. Where was the concern for accuracy then?

In fact the very concept of Samurai and Ninja being different groups to begin with is mostly historically inaccurate as well. Most of the time a ''ninja'' was just a Samurai doing a covert operation.

So if we can stomach all that then why would a fighting woman be the deal breaker? Especially because we already had two of them in the first Ghost game.
 

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I'm just gonna say what I've been thinking about for the last hours of my shift instead of refreshing and reading another of Bawlman’s childish posts. They're taking up too much of my time and happiness. I wanted to reread more Ghost in the Shell on my commute today, but carried the book for nothing because of this. (Oh look, strong female lead.) I'm pretty sure I have a good idea of what he said anyway. He is the worst Escapist member ever.

Seeing and pointing out the artificiality of these patterns in new media does not make one racist, sexist or “transphobic.” Being bothered about the way women are written and designed, especially in new games, and wanting more authenticity and beauty where it's due does not make one sexist. Nor does recognizing what's going on with men and women in the real world and the role all this wealth concentration has played in destroying what was.

I never bullied. I'm certain he mentioned my posts about that voice actress for this game again, but the most I ever did was make fun of her for identifying herself as something so elaborate that it's obviously bullshit. Her politics are rancid, and she uses her profession, my hobby, to promote them, and I have the right to criticize her for it. What the director babbled was pretty awful too, but I can't remember anymore. PlayStation is repulsive. The games are as offensive as the people making them.

I don't bully trans people either. My problem was always with normalizing it and performing these procedures on children, but in that original long post in which I explained the lie I never called for removal of their basic rights or named them names or anything like that. If you think having these objections makes someone a bad person, that just shows how closed-minded and in a bubble you are. You, on the other hand, actually ARE amoral, because you don't want to talk about or address the factors that are leading so many youth (disproportionately male) to transition. You'd rather sacrifice them for your own ego.

You can't name one single concrete example of me being intolerant towards other people. Your -isms and -phobics are an admission of how empty your positions are.
 

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That is correction summation. You have not brought anything worth a fucking shit. Live with it, and stay in your own little bubble. While everyone else actually goes on about their and not being complete piss ants who can't handle a bad ass women in a historical fiction setting. Even though they already showed up in the previous game's story.
 

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Can I ask you while that would be a deal breaker? After all the first Ghost game was all about the Samurai code centuries before the Samurai code got invented. The Katana wasn't the sword Samurai would use at the time either. Where was the concern for accuracy then?

In fact the very concept of Samurai and Ninja being different groups to begin with is mostly historically inaccurate as well. Most of the time a ''ninja'' was just a Samurai doing a covert operation.

So if we can stomach all that then why would a fighting woman be the deal breaker? Especially because we already had two of them in the first Ghost game.
I haven't played it yet. I'm waiting for a way bigger discount than forty dollars or however much it was during the last Steam sale. Looks too generic for that price. The mistakes of the first won't excuse the same mistakes in the second. I'm happy to be proven wrong by the believability of these two women when I finally play it, but basic pattern recognition makes me doubtful. I know it's all relative. If a male protagonist can kill 300...? Still, I'd prefer to play as a woman who didn't take the same kind of direct approach, knowing that she is weaker. So there were female mercenaries... Did they pick off the weak and already dying and did they depend on the combined strength of the unit or did they seek out lone showdowns with WARRIORS? I doubt the latter. It looks completely wrong in another game that probably takes itself pretty seriously.

Her design is also bland. No femininity. Even when Lone Wolf and Cub didn't give its female bandits and killers sexy outfits, it at least made sure they looked different from the men's. I know the ideology driving it.
 

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Her design is also bland. No femininity.
There is femininity, you're just too dense to see it by sexist lens. A man like you doesn't get to decide. No one put you in fucking charge, and no one ever will. How about actually looking at all the alternate costumes in the State of Play, instead of "skimming". Then your ignorant butt can learn something for once.

. Even when Lone Wolf and Cub didn't give its female bandits and killers sexy outfits,
They're not aiming for Lone Wolf. You just have shitty tastes (not a dig at Lone Wolf) and want everything your pathetic way.
 
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So there were female mercenaries... Did they pick off the weak and already dying and did they depend on the combined strength of the unit or did they seek out lone showdowns with WARRIORS? I doubt the latter. It looks completely wrong in another game that probably takes itself pretty seriously.
As far as we know, they fought exactly like men. There is no need to pay mercenaries to pick of the weak and dying specifically. They certainly did primarily fight in units and formation - like pretty much everyone else in this particular period of time that saw a shift towards ashigaru based mass combat.

If your problem boils down to "lone wolf actions heroes with 300+ kill counts are unrealistic", then i actually agree. But regardless of sex/gender. That is a point where action movies and games in general hurt my immersion.
 
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And I'm sure no real Samurai acted as Jin Sakai does, flitting between dishonourable insurgent-style subterfuge, 1-vs-50 archery shootouts, random grandstanding road duels and conquering entire camps alone. He seeks unnecessary fights! He doesn't know the limitations of a lone warrior!
Apparently, the katana he uses in the game wasn't even in use during that time period. Next to the Spartans the Samurai are the most undeservedly glazed in fiction. Speaking of glazing, they both couldn't get enough of fucking dudes (though probably more for misogynistic reasons). Funny how that never shows up in the oodles of Samurai movies, manga, and games. If it did now it'd be labeled as shoving gayness down our thoat, eventhough it'd probably be the most historical accurate thing about it.
 

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You can't name one single concrete example of me being intolerant towards other people. Your -isms and -phobics are an admission of how empty your positions are.
Oh hell, nobody else even brought this stuff up! You brought up trans people as a bizarre non-sequitur in a conversation about something else entirely.

I'm very sorry you're not able to post rants about minorities in completely unrelated topics without being being challenged. Yes, surely a terrible position to be in.
 
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So this is from RPG Codex, an alt-right hate site for chuds and incels that is just one or two degrees away from dives like 4chan. At best it's a place for trolls and edgelords who get off on unmoderated slurs, and a terminal case of "we're not a nazi bar, we just don't ban nazis". You get banned from enough places like Ezekiel, you wind up over there.

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So this is from RPG Codex, an alt-right hate site for chuds and incels that is just one or two degrees away from dives like 4chan. At best it's a place for trolls and edgelords who get off on unmoderated slurs, and a terminal case of "we're not a nazi bar, we just don't ban nazis". You get banned from enough places like Ezekiel, you wind up over there.

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Not shocked in the slightest. They are also a half a step away from being The Sanctuary.
 

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Apparently, the katana he uses in the game wasn't even in use during that time period. Next to the Spartans the Samurai are the most undeservedly glazed in fiction. Speaking of glazing, they both couldn't get enough of fucking dudes (though probably more for misogynistic reasons). Funny how that never shows up in the oodles of Samurai movies, manga, and games. If it did now it'd be labeled as shoving gayness down our thoat, eventhough it'd probably be the most historical accurate thing about it.
The swords, armor and ethics of the Samurai in Ghost are indeed all Sengoku or Edo features rather than the Kamakura related gear and beliefs the Samurai should have in the Kamakura period. I don't think that's a problem. The Sengoku/Edo depiction of the Samurai is simply the most well known version of them. Its only a problem if a female character becomes a deal breaker due to ''historical acuracy'' when all the actual inaccuracies already got accepted.

Mori Ranmaru and Oda Nobunaga are among the most famous examples of gay Samurai. I don't know how Koei depicts it in its native language, but the subtitles in Samurai Warriors always avoid naming them as such. Probably for the best because the relation would be kinda creepy.
 

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I don't think that's a problem.
Honestly, i did notice and it did annoy me. I actually had looked forward to a portayal of a lesser known variant of samurai. But well, cultural stereotypes are just too strong.

Mori Ranmaru and Oda Nobunaga are among the most famous examples of gay Samurai.
No.
Just because smut about him and Ranmaru existed in the Edo period does not mean Nobunaga was actually gay. He had, aside from his wife 10 concubines and 23 children. At best he was bi and even for this there is not really much evidence. Pretty much all the many sources shipping them were written long after his death.
But sure, he was a extremely famous flamboyant scoundrel. Of course this inspired writers.
 
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Oh hell, nobody else even brought this stuff up! You brought up trans people as a bizarre non-sequitur in a conversation about something else entirely.

I'm very sorry you're not able to post rants about minorities in completely unrelated topics without being being challenged. Yes, surely a terrible position to be in.
Another lie, but I can't remember the context anymore. I always bring it up for a reason. You're making the claim, so you have to link what I said. Not surprised BrawlMan upvoted this, because he's basically BCell/Black Cell/Diesel in forgetting and pretending so that he can repeat the same crap forever.
 
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As far as we know, they fought exactly like men. There is no need to pay mercenaries to pick of the weak and dying specifically. They certainly did primarily fight in units and formation - like pretty much everyone else in this particular period of time that saw a shift towards ashigaru based mass combat.

If your problem boils down to "lone wolf actions heroes with 300+ kill counts are unrealistic", then i actually agree. But regardless of sex/gender. That is a point where action movies and games in general hurt my immersion.
Women being the weaker sex, the standard is higher or should be. I can forgive a woman without augmentations, magic or whatever dominating battles depending on the style/tone, but what I've seen of both of these games looks too real for that.
 

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I didn't know about this time. Too bad the popcorn bucket is already sold out.


Back on track to the actual game at hand:


Brilliant Sucker Punch! Absolute brilliance!
 

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Back on track to the actual game at hand:


Brilliant Sucker Punch! Absolute brilliance!
Could be pretty good additions. Since I haven't been watching anything firsthand, though, I can't just say out of hand that I think they'll be amazing, but hey, more power to you if it gets you hyped up.