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Another lie, but I can't remember the context anymore. I always bring it up for a reason. You're making the claim, so you have to link what I said.
You brought it up here, when nobody else had been talking about it.
 
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You brought it up here, when nobody else had been talking about it.
Yeah, you lied. BrawlMan called me a transphobe again a little earlier and then Casual Shinji talked about my "intolerance."




Oh yes, you're a persecuted underclass because you don't like trans people.

Give me a break.
Wasn't what I said, wasn't playing a victim as BrawlMan stated in his reply, but it's obviously true that we can't be as open. Don't even need to look at real world examples; can look at how you people on forums always react and imagine how your behavior translates to the real word. So Casual Shinji and BrawlMan were complaining about nothing. "Sucks to be us, too, since people like him are now running the internet," Casual said, before BrawlMan jumped on again. Sounds like victimhood to me. Give me a break. In my experience, the majority of online communities lean left or have rules about not talking politics, which makes them lean more left because opposition to the assumed correct positions is not permitted.

Edit: Oh, and you can't point to one sign of me not liking trans people. You didn't read or comprehend what I said because all you want to do is other the opposition as you live in your bubble.
 
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Hmm, not really. Two of those posts are irrelevant. The first mentions transphobia almost as an aside alongside other prejudices; "People like him love to goalpost behind pathetic excuses, for their racism and sexism or transphobia". That's not delving into the topic in any specific way. It's hardly an invitation to start talking at length about trans people.

Wasn't what I said, wasn't playing a victim as BrawlMan stated in his reply, but it's obviously true that we can't be as open. Don't even need to look at real world examples; can look at how you people on forums always react and imagine how your behavior translates to the real word.
"We have to be more secretive in order to live and eat than you" is hyperbolic playing-the-victim stuff. It just is. It makes you sound like a persecuted group being denied basic safety and sustenance.

You can be as "open" as you like; it seems what you actually want is to not be challenged on it. That's not how it works; it's a two-way street.
 

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Hmm, not really. Two of those posts are irrelevant. The first mentions transphobia almost as an aside alongside other prejudices; "People like him love to goalpost behind pathetic excuses, for their racism and sexism or transphobia". That's not delving into the topic in any specific way. It's hardly an invitation to start talking at length about trans people.
Wasn't "at length," was only enough to put it back on him.

What a ridiculous thing to say. When someone talks about your character, you have every right to get into it. "Just let him say shit" is what you're saying.

You can be as "open" as you like; it seems what you actually want is to not be challenged on it. That's not how it works; it's a two-way street.
The hypocrisy of attacking the "transphobe" and telling them not to respond and then claiming they don't want to be challenged...
 
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The swords, armor and ethics of the Samurai in Ghost are indeed all Sengoku or Edo features rather than the Kamakura related gear and beliefs the Samurai should have in the Kamakura period. I don't think that's a problem. The Sengoku/Edo depiction of the Samurai is simply the most well known version of them. Its only a problem if a female character becomes a deal breaker due to ''historical acuracy'' when all the actual inaccuracies already got accepted.

Mori Ranmaru and Oda Nobunaga are among the most famous examples of gay Samurai. I don't know how Koei depicts it in its native language, but the subtitles in Samurai Warriors always avoid naming them as such. Probably for the best because the relation would be kinda creepy.
"The Samurai" have kinda destroyed Japanese history in the realm of fiction, because it seems pretty much impossible to tell a story set before the modern age (of Japan) without the Samurai taking centre stage. It's what I always greatly appreciated about Princess Mononoke; it purposely tried to avoid most things that are traditionally Samurai, and only really depicted them as soldiers and mercenaries (which is what they were), not lone wolf badasses.
 
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"The Samurai" have kinda destroyed Japanese history in the realm of fiction, because it seems pretty much impossible to tell a story set before the modern age (of Japan) without the Samurai taking centre stage. It's what I always greatly appreciated about Princess Mononoke; it purposely tried to avoid most things that are traditionally Samurai, and only really depicted them as soldiers and mercenaries (which is what they were), not lone wolf badasses.
Myth of the warrior caste aside a lot of samurai were simply noblemen with inherited or ceremonial titles.
Same with knights and chevaliers in Europe. Lancelot's a knight, so is Elton John.
 
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Wasn't "at length," was only enough to put it back on him.

What a ridiculous thing to say. When someone talks about your character, you have every right to get into it. "Just let him say shit" is what you're saying.
Sure, but you weren't really defending your character. You used it as a springboard for another rant about trans people. Maybe you saw that as a proxy defence of your character, whatever. It was still weirdly tangential and hostile, so you can expect criticism.

The hypocrisy of attacking the "transphobe" and telling them not to respond and then claiming they don't want to be challenged...
I'm not telling you not to respond. I'm criticising how you've responded, as well as the fact you followed it up with this victimhood stuff about how you have to hide to live and eat.
 
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Sure, but you weren't really defending your character. You used it as a springboard for another rant about trans people. Maybe you saw that as a proxy defence of your character, whatever. It was still weirdly tangential and hostile, so you can expect criticism.

I'm not telling you not to respond. I'm criticising how you've responded, as well as the fact you followed it up with this victimhood stuff about how you have to hide to live and eat.
Yeah, you did tell me not to respond. Calling someone a transphobe gives that someone the right to point out how the beliefs that led the accuser to that conclusion are wrong and to again clarify where they stand and the why (although I didn't see it necessary to post my wall of text from months back again). Anything less leaves more legitimacy on the accuser's side than they deserve. Counter-attacking their character isn't out of bounds either. It's not playing victimhood, it's the truth. People lose opportunities for wrong "far right" views all the time. What Casual and BawlMan babbled was victimhood because they acted like a minority that they are not.
 

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Yeah, you did tell me not to respond. Calling someone a transphobe gives that someone the right to point out how the beliefs that led the accuser to that conclusion are wrong and to again clarify where they stand and the why (although I didn't see it necessary to post my wall of text from months back again). Anything less leaves more legitimacy on the accuser's side than they deserve.
Fine, whatever. I just hope you can see that if your response to a throwaway comment that you're a transphobe is a tangential rant about why you don't like trans people, then it hardly sets those suspicions to rest.

People lose opportunities for wrong "far right" views all the time.
This may surprise you, but public-facing companies usually don't want to alienate entire demographics. And that means employees not loudly proclaiming how much they dislike those demographics.

Workplaces have basic standards of decency.
 

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From the Eurogamer review:

'That unfortunately speaks to a wider issue with Ghost of Yōtei: quite often this game does treat you like an idiot. This is an issue with triple-A gaming as a whole these days, of course - Yōtei's far from the only culprit - but it does seem to have a particular knack for it. While it does an excellent job of removing hand-holding UI clutter - often it's entirely absent, which is a genuine achievement for this type of blockbuster open world and should absolutely be praised as such - it also can't help but backseat drive at the first fraction of a second pause. Take climbing, for instance: Yōtei's climbs are entirely restricted to grey ledges - grey a slightly more artful replacement for Tushima's yellow paint here (though this can sometimes feel like an attempt to defeat the "yellow paint" meme by making the paint a different colour, rather than adding smarter contextual cues or just having the climbing mechanic work differently.) It's all very familiar: most of the time you climb these narrow pseudo-ladders up the side of cliffs by just pressing the L stick in the direction of the pre-marked path, but occasionally there is a small gap for you to press X to jump. If you so much as dare to press X to try and jump-climb a bit faster, or scale a gap that looked like it needed a jump, or stop to scratch your nose, a big "PRESS L TO CLIMB" descriptor appears. You might find you've already gathered that, half-way up a mountain, 20 hours into this game.'

It's all so tiresome. When are people gonna get sick of playing the same game over and over?
 

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From the Eurogamer review:

'That unfortunately speaks to a wider issue with Ghost of Yōtei: quite often this game does treat you like an idiot. This is an issue with triple-A gaming as a whole these days, of course - Yōtei's far from the only culprit - but it does seem to have a particular knack for it. While it does an excellent job of removing hand-holding UI clutter - often it's entirely absent, which is a genuine achievement for this type of blockbuster open world and should absolutely be praised as such - it also can't help but backseat drive at the first fraction of a second pause. Take climbing, for instance: Yōtei's climbs are entirely restricted to grey ledges - grey a slightly more artful replacement for Tushima's yellow paint here (though this can sometimes feel like an attempt to defeat the "yellow paint" meme by making the paint a different colour, rather than adding smarter contextual cues or just having the climbing mechanic work differently.) It's all very familiar: most of the time you climb these narrow pseudo-ladders up the side of cliffs by just pressing the L stick in the direction of the pre-marked path, but occasionally there is a small gap for you to press X to jump. If you so much as dare to press X to try and jump-climb a bit faster, or scale a gap that looked like it needed a jump, or stop to scratch your nose, a big "PRESS L TO CLIMB" descriptor appears. You might find you've already gathered that, half-way up a mountain, 20 hours into this game.'

It's all so tiresome. When are people gonna get sick of playing the same game over and over?
When are people going to get sick of bitching about the smallest of insignificant details?
 
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