Glass ceiling

[Merkavar]

So every now and then we hear some stat or information on how there is a glass ceiling for women, how women dont hold top jobs in companies, politics etc and that companies basically need to be forced to hire women into these positions to create equality.

But why does no one bring up the glass cellar? The glass cellar where mostly men work, in basically crappy jobs, hard jobs, or dirty jobs. I have never seen a female driving a garbage truck or even a normal truck, ive never seen a female construction worker.

Basically if women are after equality why not start from the bottom and work their way up, fight to get jobs in construction etc first. fight for equality in workplace deaths and injuries.

it just seems that men as a gender are just more extreme, men have the best and worse jobs in the world and women it somewhere in the middle, wishing they also had the top jobs too.

So wha do you think about the glass cellar? should more women focus on the cellar or the ceiling?

 

[Colour Scientist]

So, instead of striving for the high-up positions, that we've never had en masse before, we should strive for the shitty jobs because men do both?

Of course women do shitty jobs but men dominate the manual labour section. That doesn't mean that women don't do their fair share of undesirable work. We've been starting at the bottom and working our way up for way too long, don't you think?

I don't know how to reply, I've read your OP four times now and I can't make any real sense out of it.

 

[Vie]

The majority of carers for the disabled are women, same goes for the elderly actually.

Imagine for a moment a person who is built like a brick shithouse, and has the mental age of a 2 year old at best.

Imagine that if they run up a flight of stairs they will drop dead from a heart attack, yet they have no understanding of this.

Imagine they are double incontinent - they piss and shit uncontrollably.

Imagine caring 24/7/365 for 24 years for somebody like that - that's a real case by the way.

Carers save the UK economy over £80 billion annually, and don't get paid even half of minimum wage.

Rubbish Lorry driving is a shit job eh?

 

[Vie]

Fun fact. The whole "pay gap between men and women" thing is bullshit.
The reason men earn more than women in general is because, quite obviously, they aim higher.
Men are more likely to get better educated, work longer hours, go into high paying fields that very few women even try to get into and they don't take X years off to raise a turner.
The "pay gap" does not take these things into account and the adjusted pay gap is so close that any number of tiny, non gender based things could account for it.

Actually, your completely and utterly wrong.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12518277

Women still get paid less for doing the same job, even if they have considerably better qualifications and skills than men.

 

[Vie]

Yeah... Because a survey where the majority of women think all women get paid less than men is clearly valid in the face of numerous actual appraisals by various organisations and economic experts...
No numbers to back anything up, no research, just a survey of what they think... That you even thought that was valid enough to mention is just... words can not describe...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7990648.stm

Wrong link, my bad.

 

[Hero in a half shell]

But why does no one bring up the glass cellar? The glass cellar where mostly men work, in basically crappy jobs, hard jobs, or dirty jobs. I have never seen a female driving a garbage truck or even a normal truck, ive never seen a female construction worker.

Women work in crappy jobs as well, as Vie said, the great majority of carers are women, as are cleaners, and receptionists, women also work in fast food joints, shops, and a whole bunch of other jobs that involve some manual labour and rubbish pay, (not to mention prostitutes and strippers)you just picked out 2 or 3 jobs, and there are female truckers and construction workers, they're just quite rare to find. I don't think there is a "glass cellar", as women can end up doing incredibly horrible jobs for little pay just the same as men.

Now, I think that women should be given an equal chance at getting a job they are equally qualified for, and should be paid an equal amount, but in the name of Political Correctness that can sometimes lead to positive discrimination in favour of women. However, whether it's a glass ceiling or whatever, you have to admit that women generally do not have an equal presence in high powered positions than men.

 

[Chemical Alia]

I don't think your average CEO ever worked in construction. Though I think I'd prefer a crap construction job over a crap call center one. There's no lack of shitty dead-end jobs for men or women.

 

[Terminal Blue]

Men are more likely to get better educated

Wrong, this has not been true for decades.

work longer hours

Why do you think this is?

they don't take X years off to raise a turner.

Even the most dynamic and hardworking man is going to retire and die. The successful functioning of the economy demands that there be someone to take his place.

At the end of the day, reproductive labour (not just childrearing, but provisioning, cleaning, 'entertainment') is essential to the functioning of any economic system. No 'productive' labour would ever happen without reproductive labour.

Why should a corporate lawyer whose job is basically to talk to people get a salary of millions while the woman who gave birth to him and gave freely of her labour for 20+ years to place him in that position gets nothing? The monetarization of different forms of labour is as much a part of equal pay as your pointless assumptions about working practices.

The family wage never worked by paying women less for doing the same job, it worked by explicitly gendering forms of labour (and in some cases creating whole new roles, full time childcare being a good example) with pay differentials between them. That's the system we still labour under today.