Glitch =! Skill... ?

[soulasylum85]

glitching takes absolutely no skill and the only reason to use them is to give yourself an advantage because you obviously cant compete without cheating. glitching is exactly that, cheating, its dishonest and IMO you deserve to have your account banned for it so the rest of us can enjoy the game we paid our hard earned money for without having to deal with a bunch of cheating assholes

Translation: Boohoohoo I can't bunnyhop.

actually i dont need to cheat to be good at a game i prefer to play according to the way the game was meant to be played. and glitching isnt hard dont try to make yourself feel better

 

[MortisLegio]

Glitching doesn't take mad skill, it is a substitute for mad skill.

Yeah... I would just go with this and end the discussion here

 

[soulasylum85]

actually i dont need to cheat to be good at a game i prefer to play according to the way the game was meant to be played. and glitching isnt hard dont try to make yourself feel better

So I suppose that when you play basketball you shoot the ball like a chest-pass, because that is the way it was meant to be played?

this isnt a discussion about basketball, its about video games. glitching is wrong, if it wasnt your account wouldnt get banned when someone reports you for doing it.

 

[soulasylum85]

actually i dont need to cheat to be good at a game i prefer to play according to the way the game was meant to be played. and glitching isnt hard dont try to make yourself feel better

So I suppose that when you play basketball you shoot the ball like a chest-pass, because that is the way it was meant to be played?

this isnt a discussion about basketball, its about video games. glitching is wrong, if it wasnt your account wouldnt get banned when someone reports you for doing it.

I'm sorry, I don't play videogames on Xtards Live, so what they decide to do isn't really my ultimate arbiter of right and wrong. As I understand it, no other platform 'bans your account' when you use exploits/glitches to gain the edge. But what Microsoft or Sony or whoever thinks isn't how an intelligent person would approach this - the proper approach is to look for the reasoning of one position or another.

As for not being a discussion about basketball, I brought it up as something called an analogy, and I can presume from your failure to engage with it that you can't find an argument.

--when you use exploits/glitches to gain the edge-- wow that soulds like what cheating is. the only reason that people use glitches is because they cant compete and they need to "exploit" flaws in developing. obviously i can tell that you are a pc gamer which is fine because that means i dont have to deal with your cheating. on a pc you can make your own private server and mess around with your friends using glitches and mods and whatever the hell you want. i only find it wrong when you glitch while play with the rest of the online community that doesnt need to cheat to do well in a game. personally i prefer console gaming and im not blindly following what they say to be right, i am simply supporting them for trying to keep their online communities free of cheaters in order to make a better experience for the rest of us

 

[Jameswd]

Well, is a glitch causing me to get stuck in a rock in Fallout 3 a representation of that rock's superior trapping ability? I doubt it.

Man this made me laugh soo much,
On topic

Glitching really requires not soo much skill but a lot of free time especially elevators in COD..... who really sits on there console / pc and tries to find them, why buy a game then sit on it trying to find glitches?

 

[sephiroth1991]

If you need to glitch it means you have no skill.

 

[GamerPhate]

If a glitch exists, it is due to bad code design. Blame the maker of the game, and call them cheap. If they left a hole and did not plug it, such as an exploit, that is just a sign of the quality of the company making the game.

 

[Geekmaster K]

Glitching is cheating, plain and simple. I once heard someone say that they liked Smash Bros. Melee better than Brawl because of a glitch that was good for "weeding out" noobs who didn't have any skill. Thank you, Adolf Hitler! This guy was obviously and elitist who thinks that the "elite" group of gamers are the glitchers. Glitching doesn't make you a better gamer, but rather, a bigger douchebag. It's one thing to have fun playing a multiplayer game. It's another thing entirely to cheat at a multiplayer game and have fun by taking the enjoyment away from the other players. This is why I'll never play the PC version of Modern Warfare 1 or 2. The PC version is a hacker/glitcher's paradise!

 

[Spygon]

it never says in the offical rule book of football that a player can not have a ball on a piece of string.

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Actually such a ball on a string would be against the rules of football. What you are crying about is that you don't have the skill to pull off difficult glitch exploits, and you'd rather everyone played it pedestrian style. There was no rule against the one-handed shot in basketball (what we have now - one shoots while the other guides) back in the days when everyone (including the creator) had only used and anticipated the two handed shot. This new technique allowed for quicker and more accurate shots, and changed the game. New strategies had to be come up with for blocking it. I could reel off dozens of other examples from real-life sports. Stop whining, and learn to counter these techniques.

There is no rule in the official fa rule book that a player can not have a ball on a piece of string.Also you are trying to say glitching is a techinque that laughable but i do not want to go any further down this part until we talk about what we count is a glitch.As you have mentioned bunny hoping that i do not believe is a glitch im talking about glitches like getting underneath maps,managing to fly around the map and the javelin glitch.

If you are doing things that are physically impossible it is a glitch and glitches ruin games as if it was a techinque then everybody would get stuck in the same wall unable to shoot each other.

 

[Chipperz]

If you need to glitch it means you have no skill.

This. Glitchers are people who just can't play the actual game properly. It's sad, really, in a pathetic kind of way.

 

[sephiroth1991]

If you need to glitch it means you have no skill.

This. Glitchers are people who just can't play the actual game properly. It's sad, really, in a pathetic kind of way.

People who don't glitch but are rubbish but still play have more skill.

 

[WestMountain]

Well, is a glitch causing me to get stuck in a rock in Fallout 3 a representation of that rock's superior trapping ability? I doubt it.

LOL

 

[TheSeventhLoneWolf]

Glitching for skill is like racing a diabetic legless man in a cross country race where the only refreshments are mars bars. It's not rewarding, it's not skillful.

 

[soulasylum85]

--when you use exploits/glitches to gain the edge-- wow that soulds like what cheating is. the only reason that people use glitches is because they cant compete and they need to "exploit" flaws in developing. obviously i can tell that you are a pc gamer which is fine because that means i dont have to deal with your cheating. on a pc you can make your own private server and mess around with your friends using glitches and mods and whatever the hell you want. i only find it wrong when you glitch while play with the rest of the online community that doesnt need to cheat to do well in a game. personally i prefer console gaming and im not blindly following what they say to be right, i am simply supporting them for trying to keep their online communities free of cheaters in order to make a better experience for the rest of us

If this:

i am simply supporting them for trying to keep their online communities free of cheaters in order to make a better experience for the rest of us

was true, then you wouldn't have presented the following argument:

glitching is wrong, if it wasnt your account wouldnt get banned when someone reports you for doing it.

It's funny, I always thought of cheating as requiring the use of cheats, rather than using techniques inherent in the game that the creators didn't think of. Does it sound like cheating to you if a team uses their superior shooting skills, or their superior tactical skills, or their superior communication skills, to gain the edge? Is 'camping' on a broken map that encourages it as a successful technique also cheating, in your book?

being better at shooting, tactics, or communication are examples of strategy. camping, sniping, etc are just different ways to play the game although they can be annoying they are hardly cheating. however getting outside/underneath a map, exploding everytime that you get killed, or getting infinite care packages (cod) is cheating. and as for your basketball analogy no it isnt like shooting the ball a different way its more like paying off the ref to make sure that the game goes your way.

 

[iJosh]

Halo 2 glitches. As in the BxR and Dub Shot kind of do take skill to execute.

Soo ...

 

[MGlBlaze]

What people have to keep in mind there are two kinds of glitches.

A)The clever use of game mechanics b)Exploits in game mechanics

Examples of A
1) Starcraft's worker and air unit stacking.
2) SSBM wavedashing/canceling/ets
3) Halo2's B X R

Examples of B
1) Falling out of level/Clipping through walls
2) infinites in fighting games
3) All hacks, Map hacks, autoaims, ets

Most clever use of game mechanics can be countered and easily learned by all. They also heighten the skill ceiling of a game or add new elements and in some very rare cases further balance the game.

Exploits in a game by nature can not be countered can give far to big of an advantage

OT

I like how most of the references to SSBM/SSBB complain about the no item rules and removed maps. Do you want to know why they do that. It's done for game balance and to take luck out of the equation.

This is actually said very well; whether the glitch can be considered 'good' or 'bad' usually depends on the glitch itself, the game, and the context it's used in.

I never do it myself, but bunnyhopping kind walks a fine line between the two... it's definitely type B if a person just uses a macro to do it, but it's damn hard to do right if they do it by manually pushing the space-bar.

But yeah; glitches can't be universally declared good or bad. Well, they're all fine in single player unless they're game-breaking bugs that make it impossible to win, but in multi player, it's a very important thing to consider.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

In some cases, I can recognize that a glitch will require a fair amount of skill to execute. In general however, people don't exploit a glitch or tactic because it's hard - they do so because it's easy.

On glitching, it depends, I wouldn't allow overpowering glitches that destroy gameplay - but the javelin glitch really isn't one of those (I don't give a shit about MW2 btw, just played it a bit to see what it was like). It's not that hard to avoid and not everyone can do it (specific set up required, right?) so it is effectively like a feature that causes a corpse to explode. Your other examples seem to me to be the sort of thing that is overpowered, but that depends on what you mean by 'going under the map' - fps or flying under final destination? My dividing line would be that where glitching makes it a race as to who can do it first wins, that is overpowered and shouldn't be done, but otherwise all's fair in love and war.

I'm going to adamantly disagree with you here.

MW2 is a game that LOVES short ranged engagements. Greater than 90% of the shootouts I engage in during the game take place just outside stabbing range. This unforuntately means that most of the time you see a javelin glitch exploiter they're well inside the lethal radius. Unfortunately, at this point, you only have two options: get stabbed in the face or shoot the guy and inevitably blow up.

People have postulated that the glitch is silly as you have to die for it to work. Remembering that the game loves close quarters combat and encourages you to support other players, you'll find that often a glitch exploiter will manage to kill multiple people on each life. While you give up any possiblity of kill streak rewards, on many maps and game modes the overwhelming power of the exploit will more than make up for it. God forbid you're playing an objective based game like Domination and the like because there are only a handful of capture points in such game modes that offer any ability to kill a glitch user without dying in return.

 

[Jazzyluv2]

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