Global Warming: Solutions

[Jazzyluv]

Okay Okay, I admit the earth is getting warmer...wasn't it a total of like .01 degrees or something? I still don't see why warmer weather is bad. Longer growing seasons, I tan faster, solar power works more efficiently; it seems like the benefits are boundless and the cons are that a whole bunch of ice is melting. If this had all taken place 100 years ago, the Titanic would not be at the bottom of the see.

Please realize I am not serious because I don't take global warming as a serious issue.

Also I am trying to reduce my carbon footprint by eating 3 times as much beef as normal to make up for all the vegans/vegetarians who are eating the plants that CONVERT the CO2 into oxygen!

1 degree, Celsius. No, doesn't sound like much, but by current theories, the largest mass extinction ever, which killed off 95% of all life, was caused by a global temperature increase of about 10 degrees. We're expecting it to go up by a few more degrees before it levels off. The heat itself isn't the problem; it's the drastic, sudden changes to weather patterns: massive droughts, floods, etc.

And please don't bring in the "vegans/vegetarians = global warming" thing; eating animals is always less efficient, because the animals had to eat massive amounts of plants to grow up before you ate them, and most of that energy never reaches you. I dunno if that part is just a joke, but it sure contradicts the idea that you're not worried about global warming anyway.

And that was caused by volcanoes spewing out shit for tens of thousands of years, more than we would EVER be able to do. Remember the SCIENCE behind it, and why it actually happpened, how it got to that state, and why it actually matters.

I am however into independent energy sources for OTHER reasons. I like solar and wind because they help the world have less energy struggles and fights. The only way i will eventually support them is if they are cost effective. It all boils down to how much it costs, and "going green" costs too much.

 

[Jazzyluv]

"Although ice sheet disintegration and the subsequent sea level rise lags behind rising temperatures, the process will become irreversible sometime in the second half of the 21st century, Overpeck said, ?unless something is done to dramatically reduce human emissions of greenhouse gas pollution.

"We need to start serious measures to reduce greenhouse gases within the next decade. If we don't do something soon, we're committed to four-to-six meters (13 to 20 feet) of sea level rise in the future."

http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/518803/

The record that we were supposed to lose "massive amounts of ice this year were false

"Satellites first started taking measurements of sea ice in 1979-1980. After 28 years of warming Arctic sea today is where it was when measurements started. Will we see news photos of Polar Bears frozen to the ice?

Where is the media now that the Arctic ice concentration is at the same concentration as when measurements began 28 years ago? How many years of normal ice conditions will it take before they admit the Polar Bear isn't threatened? The coverage of both Arctic and Antarctic ice has been very one sided."

http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/e107_images/newspost_images/05_1980-2008_antarctic_ice_concentration_extent.jpg

http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/e107_images/newspost_images/05_1980-2008_antarctic_ice_concentration_extent.jpg

MORE ICE NOW THAN IN 1980

GROW A BRAIN!

 

[Rolling Thunder]

Do calm down everyone. Despite what the environmentalists say, the world is not about to end in a firey burning apocalypse because you drive a large car. Though why America insists on making such inferior cars is beyond me, but....bah, off-topic. Humans are remarkably adaptable creatures. I mean, we survived the god-damned COLD WAR, for chrissakes, and for a good amount of time there we had nutters like Reagan and Thatcher (or Brezhnev) holding the keys to the nuclear arsenel.

Global Warming is not the apocalypse. When the Apocalypse is immenent, I and Ultrajoe will inform you all.


However, I will deign to say that there is a large quantity of evidence supporting the theories of man-made global warming. How relaible it all is is a different matter, but I'm going to assume that, cetrus paribus, that the levels of lying, misanthropy and skullduggery are equal on both sides of the debate.

The solution to the problem as described by the enviromentalists: Burn less oil. Problem. Solved. And possibly reduce China to a burnt, arid wasteland of corpses and smoking ruins, but that's just for personal preference.


How to do that:

Force America to build cars to a the same standard as is practised internationally (i.e not so thirsty and inefficent).

Encourage a fuller investment in solar, hydroelectric, hydrogen and other 'clean' energy sources around the world. And halve the taxes on such products, while increasing the taxes on conventional petroleum, coal and so on. Yes, we're going to have inflation (cost-push) as the corporates pass on the prices, but on the other hand the long-term competition that will result from such a product will stabilise prices nicely. (Long-run)

Thirdly- prevent said corporates from destroying such alternate products by predatory pricing, dumping or just buying them (even if the state must take the product as a national secret and develop it itself)

And some other stuff.

 

[The_Prophet]

. If this had all taken place 100 years ago, the Titanic would not be at the bottom of the sea.[/quote]

Solution: realize global warming is not man made.

Yeah, because there's tons of legitimate scientific evidence for that, and it's totally not another conspiracy theory. [/sarcasm]

It really bugs me that people keep saying there's no scientific evidence for global warming when, actually, there's an absurd amount of it, and the evidence only continues to grow as everyone continually ignores it.

The only long-term solution is to just burn way less fossil fuels, and when we do burn them, try to filter out most of the CO2 before it escapes into the atmosphere. Though nothing is really going to happen unless people stop denying it without any real evidence.

Okay Okay, I admit the earth is getting warmer...wasn't it a total of like .01 degrees or something? I still don't see why warmer weather is bad. Longer growing seasons, I tan faster, solar power works more efficiently; it seems like the benefits are boundless and the cons are that a whole bunch of ice is melting. If this had all taken place 100 years ago, the Titanic would not be at the bottom of the sea.

Please realize I am not serious because I don't take global warming as a serious issue.

Also I am trying to reduce my carbon footprint by eating 3 times as much beef as normal to make up for all the vegans/vegetarians who are eating the plants that CONVERT the CO2 into oxygen!

dude, if this all took place 100 years ago half of the world would be underwater... and try to think before you post

 

[Death Magnetic]

Move to the Moon, then we don't have an atmosphere to fuck up.

-Ricky

 

[Jazzyluv]

Do calm down everyone. Despite what the environmentalists say, the world is not about to end in a firey burning apocalypse because you drive a large car. Though why America insists on making such inferior cars is beyond me, but....bah, off-topic. Humans are remarkably adaptable creatures. I mean, we survived the god-damned COLD WAR, for chrissakes, and for a good amount of time there we had nutters like Reagan and Thatcher (or Brezhnev) holding the keys to the nuclear arsenel.

Global Warming is not the apocalypse. When the Apocalypse is immenent, I and Ultrajoe will inform you all.


However, I will deign to say that there is a large quantity of evidence supporting the theories of man-made global warming. How reliable it all is is a different matter, but I'm going to assume that, cetrus paribus, that the levels of lying, misanthropy and skullduggery are equal on both sides of the debate.

The solution to the problem as described by the environmentalists: Burn less oil. Problem. Solved. And possibly reduce China to a burnt, arid wasteland of corpses and smoking ruins, but that's just for personal preference.


How to do that:

Force America to build cars to a the same standard as is practised internationally (i.e not so thirsty and inefficent).

Encourage a fuller investment in solar, hydroelectric, hydrogen and other 'clean' energy sources around the world. And halve the taxes on such products, while increasing the taxes on conventional petroleum, coal and so on. Yes, we're going to have inflation (cost-push) as the corporates pass on the prices, but on the other hand the long-term competition that will result from such a product will stabilise prices nicely. (Long-run)

Thirdly- prevent said corporates from destroying such alternate products by predatory pricing, dumping or just buying them (even if the state must take the product as a national secret and develop it itself)

And some other stuff.

So force corporations to use less cost effective energy, you sound like an environmentalist to me. We WILL NOT use less cost effective energy, and personally, yes, overall we use very inefficiently cars, BIG FUCKING DEAL. Our cars are heavy, that's why, not due to bad building, we like our SUVs, trucks, and vans. I personally don't see the point of having a big car and lots of room you don't need, and i use a cheap, small, and gas efficient car, but if they want that then i don't give a shit.

Stop forcing corporations to go green, it won't work, and it isn't the bigger issue.

ph3onix- SHOW ME SOME FACTS, stop spraying environmental scare tactics with no basis in the real world. Show me a SCIENCE article stating that, not a news article.

 

[DND Judgement]

i'm sorry but the idea of putting giant mirrors in space is the dumbest idea i ever heard.... when i first heard i thought it was a joke...... seriously that has got to be 1 of the biggest wastes of time ever...

 

[Jursa]

I'm not saying it's impossible to reduce global warming. However, everybody knows that money and saving the environment don't really match and those who have money are the ones saying that there's no evidence that black toxic industrial gases are harmful. I think after the 100th prophecy of the end of the world, most of the people just stopped caring and went on with their lives. We shouldn't drop everything that makes us at least a bit civilized and go back to caveman lifestyle, we all realize that something has to be done but nobody knows what exactly. Thus scientists telling us we have to do something is like telling us to find a hay in a needle stack.

 

[axia777]

The term "Global Warming" is out dated. Most real scientists use the term "Global Climate Change" as the "warming" is now understood to be a misnomer. Some places will get colder and some will get warmer/hotter. Some will get dryer and some will get so much wetter. One thing they all agree on is that all the ice around the world in undeniably melting at a speed that is out pacing all previous estimates.

As for the Global Climate Change being the fault of humans, well, that is a theory. Most credible scientists(those NOT funded by huge oil corporations) believe that it is true. But not enough hard scientific data has been gathered to be proven true. The truth is that science will most not really know the real source of the change until it all well and done with in a century or two.

And there are no "solutions". It is too late. The change is all ready happening and there is no way to stop it. We can try to slow it down I guess, but that would be akin to try to slow down a car that has all ready fallen off of a cliff. All we can do now is adapt.

 

[Jazzyluv]

The term "Global Warming" is out dated. Most real scientists use the term "Global Climate Change" as the "warming" is now understood to be a misnomer. Some places will get colder and some will get warmer/hotter. Some will get dryer and some will get so much wetter. One thing they all agree on is that all the ice around the world in undeniably melting at a speed that is out pacing all previous estimates.

And there are no "solutions". it is too late. The change is all ready happening and there is no way to stop it. We can try to slow it down I guess, but that would be akin to try to slow down a car that has all ready fallen off of a cliff. All we can do now is adapt.

The ice is not melting faster than all the "experts" said, it did in 2007, but this year we had a 30%, get that, 30% increase over ice at the same time last year. The "experts" were wrong, even they can be full of shit, even they can lie and manipulate to get more funding.

 

[axia777]

The term "Global Warming" is out dated. Most real scientists use the term "Global Climate Change" as the "warming" is now understood to be a misnomer. Some places will get colder and some will get warmer/hotter. Some will get dryer and some will get so much wetter. One thing they all agree on is that all the ice around the world in undeniably melting at a speed that is out pacing all previous estimates.

And there are no "solutions". it is too late. The change is all ready happening and there is no way to stop it. We can try to slow it down I guess, but that would be akin to try to slow down a car that has all ready fallen off of a cliff. All we can do now is adapt.

The ice is not melting faster than all the "experts" said, it did in 2007, but this year we had a 30%, get that, 30% increase over ice at the same time last year. The "experts" were wrong, even they can be full of shit, even they can lie and manipulate to get more funding.

All of the scientific evidence points the contrary. Are you trying to say 95+% of the worlds scientists are all lying? Do you vote Republican?

 

[NeedAUserName]

Well I have the easiest solution, every building has it's roofs painted white. White repels heat, and will deflect a lot of the sun's harmful rays. Take that Al Gore!

*slightly concerning dance, with the words "Uh huh" and "Can you feel it" dotted about while performing*

 

[Rankao]

*Sigh* Another lets do our part to "STOP" global warming thread.

I wish people would listen to me, you can't STOP natures wrath. "Sorry let me try to fix it." doesn't work with forces more powerful then your mom.

We are people, not little gods running around. We might be able to slow the processes but never stop it.

Anyways China and India are producing most of it now (wow they are like 30-40% of the population) and they still haven't meet their population needs.

Instead of waisting resources on stopping Global warming, we need to access what most likely how it will effect our economies, food growth, and resources and adjust for that before hand.

 

[Zeke109]

But that won't solve the problem and will destroy our beautiful, beautiful earth!
D:

 

[axia777]

But that won't solve the problem and will destroy our beautiful, beautiful earth!
D:

Are you serious? We are talking about the same planet that survived the meteor/comet that shot out of space at 150,000 MPH making a hole the size of the Gulf of Mexico thus wiping out 80+% of all life/species. This world has nothing to worry from us humans. It has an estimated 2.5 billion years left on it till the Sol turns into a super red giant and cooks Gaia till it looks like Mercury. So no worries. If humans make it uninhabitable we only kills us and the species that live in our own time period. Then what ever is left will just take over. Life and nature are unstoppable.


EDIT: Oh wait, looks like you were banned while I was writing this. ROFL.

 

[Mr Jack]

Solution: realize global warming is not man made.

Yeah, because there's tons of legitimate scientific evidence for that, and it's totally not another conspiracy theory. [/sarcasm]

It really bugs me that people keep saying there's no scientific evidence for global warming when, actually, there's an absurd amount of it, and the evidence only continues to grow as everyone continually ignores it.

The only long-term solution is to just burn way less fossil fuels, and when we do burn them, try to filter out most of the CO2 before it escapes into the atmosphere. Though nothing is really going to happen unless people stop denying it without any real evidence.

How can you really say that there is lots of evidence for something like global warming. How long have we been taking accurate measurements of global temperature?

When dealing with something with as much inertia as a planets ecology, which operates on massive time-scales, we do not have enough objective evidence to support either side of the argument.

 

[Jazzyluv]

The term "Global Warming" is out dated. Most real scientists use the term "Global Climate Change" as the "warming" is now understood to be a misnomer. Some places will get colder and some will get warmer/hotter. Some will get dryer and some will get so much wetter. One thing they all agree on is that all the ice around the world in undeniably melting at a speed that is out pacing all previous estimates.

And there are no "solutions". it is too late. The change is all ready happening and there is no way to stop it. We can try to slow it down I guess, but that would be akin to try to slow down a car that has all ready fallen off of a cliff. All we can do now is adapt.

The ice is not melting faster than all the "experts" said, it did in 2007, but this year we had a 30%, get that, 30% increase over ice at the same time last year. The "experts" were wrong, even they can be full of shit, even they can lie and manipulate to get more funding.

All of the scientific evidence points the contrary. Are you trying to say 95+% of the worlds scientists are all lying? Do you vote Republican?

You are just asking to get pwned with that...

one, i don't vote, a waste of my fucking time(a rigged system means no one wins).

two, how many scientists do you know, their is enormous debate about our effect on global warming. I find it funny how none of you are pulling your facts from articles, its coming out of your ass.

 

[Brockyman]

Solution: realize global warming is not man made.

That has to be the smartest thing I've read all night! Thank you my friend! There is not real evidence to show that man is causing anything, there is increased solar activity and a change in climate, not unlike other time's in our past. Just b/c things are a bit different then 100 years ago, doesn't mean it isn't perfectly natural.

 

[Brockyman]

It really bugs me that people keep saying there's no scientific evidence for global warming when, actually, there's an absurd amount of it, and the evidence only continues to grow as everyone continually ignores it.

The only long-term solution is to just burn way less fossil fuels, and when we do burn them, try to filter out most of the CO2 before it escapes into the atmosphere. Though nothing is really going to happen unless people stop denying it without any real evidence.

One, nobody said that there is no scientific explaination for global warming, it's getting hotter and nobody disputes that. What he said was "It's not man made" which it's not. cows are much more responsible than we are. one solution, eat more beef.

second, the long term solution you suggest is not the only one. Like i said in the previous thread (zeke zeke zeke, we were so close) we should look at the positives of climate change. we can't stop it, so we might as well begin working on ways to make it work for us, see Crops On Mountain Tops

Well, ok, but the person right after him actually did say that global warming isn't really a problem, and plenty of people still say it's not real. Also, yes, there is evidence that it's man-made; the current ridiculous, unprecedented spike in CO2 started right around the Industrial Revolution, when we started making lots of--you guessed it--gaseous CO2. Cows? Cows do produce methane, but I've never heard that they produce enough to rival all other greenhouse gasses. And why do you think there are so many cows?

We do need to adapt to global warming, but adapting will be much easier if we can slow it down.

people that look to preserve nature exactly as it is have a fundamentally flawed piont of view.

What's so flawed about wanting to keep the world approximately the way it is, so we can interact with it in ways we understand? Not caring whether the world changes in a way we can't accurately predict seems pretty reckless.

Well, the flaw is that if the Earth itself is changing due it's normal life cycle and increased solar activity, then we shouldn't mess with it.

I believe in conservation and clean energy b/c oil is going to run out one day and I don't like to sit behind a big truck in a traffic jam, but not b/c of Al Gore voodoo mumbojumbo. I think we should create new fuels, but all these over-the-top guidelines and saying that we can't drill for more oil is asanine, insane, stupid, and foolish. It's going to take time to create a viable electric and/or hydrogen car, and then to get it to the masses, so we'll need good ole fashion crude for a decade or so...

 

[Rolling Thunder]

I also object to America, on the premise that it seems to breed a species of people who delude themselves into thinking that rules do not apply to them (i.e you may not torture arbitrary people, you may not carpet-bomb small villages, you may not build crap-bucket cars with such gobshite emmissions standards that the CHINESE won't accept them, you may not make fun of the Queen, you may not pretend the Great Deppression didn't happen etc etc).

Thankfully, most of this breed of American dosen't go abroad that often, so I normally meet the nicer breed of American (i.e the smart ones) when I meet a yank. So I'm not considering wiping you from the face of the planet. Yet.

And Hunde Des Krieg is right- nature is a continuously expanding, evolving phenomeneon. Extinction in itself is not a bad thing- it's simply the wasteage of species that are unfit for survival in the environment. And the environment itself is going to change- though climactic shifts are generally fairly slow-moving, it could be just that we've not noticed this shit until now. It is still unproven!!!


However, one must remember that the biodiversity of an environment is representative of that environment's stability. So massed extinction is not a good 'un. As for the rest: Michael Crichton is right when he says: 'We can't destroy the planet... we can only destroy ourselves.'