Good British food... does it exists?

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Frungy said:
Oh get over yourself. I have American friends,
I can't be racist, I have a friend who is black!
but their inability to apologise does sometimes drive me a bit crazy.
Congratulations, you know some inconsiderate Americans out of 313 million.
Europeans will apologise as a reflex action, which can come across as quite insincere,
Same problem as before, only in reverse.
while those from the U.S. just seem completely unable to do it at all, and that comes across as arrogant and prideful.
Claiming this is true for all Americans because you know a few is totally not a prideful thing to say at all, because of course you aren't wrong.
Nope.

With the amount of hating on other cultures that has been going on across this entire thread I had to double check to make sure this wasn't in the R&P pit of snakes. FFS, how has a mod not grabbed onto this thread yet?
 

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Take a trip up to Scotland man and have yourself a Blackpudding Supper, Or a generous helping of Pie'n'Beans!
 

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Superlative said:
I'm headed to London with my uni on Saturday and I can't help but wonder just how true or false the jokes about British cooking skills are. Is there such a thing as tasty food from England? does it cost an arm and a leg? will it be served by a gentleman wearing a top hat and monicle?


also, if anyone is in the area and feels like hanging out with a ~190cm American, I'll more then likely be hanging out at the National Royal Hotel on the 6th at 6:30pm...
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SonOfVoorhees said:
Saying Uk has no good food is like saying American serves just McDonalds. America jokes about the fact the English have bad teeth, talk posh and drink warm beer. Unfortunately, the English have better teeth hygiene than America, we dont talk posh, most of us are common and we drink beer cold.....apart from ales that are meant to be room temp.
I'm not even English (I'm American), but this. So much this. It pisses me off so much when I find an IPA that's freaking cold. IT'S MEANT TO BE ROOM TEMPERATURE! The coldness ruins the flavour so much!

Oh God, I just put a "u" in flavour--I mean flavor! Damn you Brits! You're starting to effect my Americanized vocabulary!

OT: The English have plenty of good food. Granted, I've never been to the UK to try their food firsthand, but I've made my own shepherd's pies before. Those things are nothing short of delicious, if you make them right. I'm not a big fan of fish though, so I have yet to ever try fish and chips, although a local hoagie's shop nearby me apparently makes a mean fish and chips. I just wish their cheesesteaks were nearly as good as those claims. >.>
 

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London is where I got the best lamb steak I have ever tried (I think the restaurant called it a Scottish grill plate)

And although it has been mentioned a couple of times across the tread; PIES!!!
I spent almost a week in London as part of a trip with my University, but the most memorable part of the trip was when I found a little pieshop in Covent garden (Their was toffee excellent too).
When I got home I tried several pie recipes and they turned out quite good.

My general advice when travelling to a place with different food; Try as much as you can, you might just find your new favourite food (It's how I found out I love Haggis)

Another thing I enjoyed on my trip was people-watching, I have never seen such a diverse city and they mingle so effortlessly.
We went to a pub/brewery (They had over 100 different kinds of beer) just before people got off work and just spent the next couple of hours watching as all kinds of people came in and enjoyed a beer, students, businessmen, carpenters, soldiers, Chinese, Indians, Englishmen, Scots, Irish. Everybody came in and mingled.
Back home in Denmark the different kinds of people go to their own drinking place, and they don't mix at all, so this kind of culture was truly fascinating and left quite an impression.
 

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THIRDED for Yorkshire.

I haven't ever seen a jar of jellied eels, though not for lack of looking.

Generally food is good, and you'll get a vaguely adequate cross section of the most popular English foods from the menus of most chain pubs. I don't recommend those however. Get your ass to Yorkshire and have a proper fish and chips, or ploughman's lunch, or chicken pie. Whatever.

English food isn't what I'd call the best, but it is very approachable, especially if you are from the States. The emphasis is on heartiness, which means lots of meat and unhealthy batter/pastry produce. You don't have to take many risks, because there aren't many foods that have a particularly robust flavour. Beer on the other hand...stay away from UK lagers, and try traditional ales. That's the safest bet, though you might find the stronger flavour a bit too much if you are particular about light beers. You know when you give a baby a lemon and watch it pull of a funny face? Turns out the same thing happens if you give an American a particularly excellent European beer (like Pauwel Kwak).
 

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Frungy said:
Furbyz said:
You are correct about toffee, of course, but no, the exact process for making fudge is widely believed to have been discovered in 1886 in Baltimore during a botched attempt to make caramels. The crystallizing of the sugar, milk, and butter mixture and whipping it as it cools to the creamy texture characterized as modern day fudge was happened upon in America. I am not denying that other similar confections are European, but fudge, as we know it today, is American. We didn't come along and add chocolate. We came along, screwed up a completely different recipe, and it happened to turn out pretty well. Here's a European that did his research admitting such and a host of others saying the exact same thing.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/articles/ar-fud1.htm

http://www.darbysfudge.com/fudgehistory.html
http://www.thenibble.com/reviews/main/candy/old/history-of-fudge.asp
http://bbgees.com/History_of_Fudge_Explained.html

Though, you could go so far to say as we didn't come up with a dish so much as a texture. I would consider that a very valid point.
The Scots Tablet (taiblet), which has a courser, grainier texture is closer to what I would consider Fudge (I quite dislike the more toffee-like fudges... if I want toffee I'll eat toffees, if I want fudge I want something crumbly that'll dissolve in my mouth), and predates the American Fudge by nearly a hundred years (the recipe is a little different, with the Scots tablet using sugar, condensed milk and butter, while the American Fudge uses sugar, butter, milk and often chocolate and/or fruit).

There's also a similar Indian (originally possibly Persian) dessert known as Barfi (an unfortunate name ;) ) that dates back to the 16th century, which used similar ingredients to American Fudge, but normally includes nuts and and fruit.

The history of food is quite fascinating, and by the dates I would suggest that modern "Fudge" originated in ancient Persia, went to India, and then courtesy of colonisation made its way to Scotland and from there to the U.S., with each culture changing the recipe and flavour a little, as well as the trimmings.

I apologise for my original post placing the origin as European, it seems that the Middle East is most probably the earliest point of origin for the dish that we now call "fudge".

Furbyz said:
Also, I apologize for my countrymen. I really have no idea why this place breeds such stubborn, pigheadedness, but it does with frightening regularity.
You are an officer and a gentleman. Your apology is accepted with gratitude for the kind gesture.
Fair enough, while fudge may have been made independently, it certainly wasn't the first to heat sugar, milk, and butter (or any combination of the three) to the soft ball stage. Although, I do need to comment that fudge is not a general term for similar confections, but a rather specific one. Tablet and fudge simply aren't the same thing, as the signature characteristic of fudge is its smooth, creamy texture.

I also love culinary history. The history of beer is particularly interesting, some people going so far as to believe it may be the entire reason for the creation of civilization and the Agricultural Revolution. I find it fascinating because food so closely ties into the culture that made and cultivated it. Which says horrible things about my home because the Texas State Fair is responsible for both corn dogs and Fried Coke (well, fried coke is really just coke flavored beignets BUT STILL). It's a weird place, the State Fair, where wondrous, terrible things happen.

Thank you for telling me about Tablet and Barfi, I hadn't heard of them until now, and as I said I do love history. Actually, I think I'll try my hand at making Tablet today as I have most of the basic ingredients on hand. It seems easy enough as the basic gist of it is "make fudge but don't whip it." EDIT: The previous sentence is very wrong and was formulated before I actually looked up recipes and was going on my perception of the chemistry involved (less whipping = longer sugar crystals = grainy).

On a note unrelated to food, you mentioned earlier in this thread that your family held a grudge against the Stuarts. Well, oddly enough, I am descended from Irish Stuarts. I was wondering what they had done specifically. Or did you mean the royal family, which I have not established a direct line to yet?

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SkarKrow said:
SonOfVoorhees said:
On talking posh, wasn't there a thing done (some documentary on TV) about british accents (and I mean the whole bloody lot of them, all 250 odd or however many) and how americans interpreted them and when questioning american students they couldn't understand a lot of them fully with the worst offender being the geordie?

Cuz I have american friends who've failed to understand what I'm saying when I descend into my native jargon.

SonOfVoorhees said:
Hey, just realised.....you will actually be able to drink a proper beer than that watery crap they serve in America.:)
Yeah we serve german beer in the UK : D[sup]Joke[/sup]

Yeah try the local beers, they're good stuff. Look out for things like Dark Lord, Old Tom, and any black sheep ale.
Honestly, you should try a lot of the microbrews in the US, they are very good. My favorite ones are Sierra Nevada and Great Lakes, and IPAs are the most popular style at the moment, but I don't are much for hoppy beers. I prefer anything from Porters and Stouts to Belgian Whites and Doppelbocks. If you can get a chance to try some good American craft beers, You won't be disappointed. BTW, I got me a pack of Guinness, so my night is complete. :D If I recall, Stone Brewery is available in the UK, so I suggest checking them out. I've heard very good things about them.
 

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theSteamSupported said:
Fish'n'Chips and Shepherd's Pie. UK cuisine is pretty darn ok to me.

Speaking of which, why isn't anyone taking a piss on traditional Swedish cuisine?
I probably would if I knew what passed for traditional Swedish cuisine (I'm guessing there's a lot of fish involved).

The nearest I've got to Sweden before in my travels is Iceland (the country, not the cheap supermarket). The food was the only thing about Iceland that I didn't absolutely love. Cured Shark and Pickled Rams Testicles? No thanks.
 

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Frungy said:
My sole redeeming feature in Ireland is my ability to bear a grudge for an ungodly amount of time. Ahh, Ireland, the land where family feuds are cherised as something to pass down to your grandchildren. Hell, I wouldn't have a drink with a Stuart and that's because of a grudge our clan had with the Stuarts six hundred years ago.

[Edit: Okay, I would have a drink with a Stuart is he was buying because... well, family feuds are one thing, but free drink... I mean really, it would be a sin to let it go to waste]
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NinjaDeathSlap said:
theSteamSupported said:
Fish'n'Chips and Shepherd's Pie. UK cuisine is pretty darn ok to me.

Speaking of which, why isn't anyone taking a piss on traditional Swedish cuisine?
I probably would if I knew what passed for traditional Swedish cuisine (I'm guessing there's a lot of fish involved).

The nearest I've got to Sweden before in my travels is Iceland (the country, not the cheap supermarket). The food was the only thing about Iceland that I didn't absolutely love. Cured Shark and Pickled Rams Testicles? No thanks.
Obligatory:
http://satwcomic.com/art/600x3561xnordics-like-fish.jpg.pagespeed.ic.W8LzMdusWI.jpg
 

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theSteamSupported said:
Yup. The Ram's Testicles are even worse though. Iceland in general is probably the weirdest country I've ever visited (They have a Penis Museum, full of preserved phalluses in jars). That's why I love it so much, but I just can't touch the local food.

Also. in response to the Yorkshire circle jerk that's going on in this thread. I'm from Lincolnshire (which is basically Yorkshire's prettier, better mannered cousin) and whenever I go to York (which is admittedly a mighty fine place) I first have to cross the Humber and drive through Hull.

Yeah, you guys don't like to mention that one, do you? :p
 

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this thread is making me hungry for some fish n chips from me local chippy! WHAT HAVE YOU ALL DONE?!

but in all seriousness find a good chippy (have to take risks there are some quite bad ones out there) and enjoy yourself on a basic but very filling and hearty bit of food! I can't find anything better after being out working in the cold all day!
 

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Furbyz said:
Fair enough, while fudge may have been made independently, it certainly wasn't the first to heat sugar, milk, and butter (or any combination of the three) to the soft ball stage. Although, I do need to comment that fudge is not a general term for similar confections, but a rather specific one. Tablet and fudge simply aren't the same thing, as the signature characteristic of fudge is its smooth, creamy texture.
Urgh, sorry for the slow reply, hellish day.

I think it may be a regional difference, but the fudge in Ireland is decidedly crumbly and not as smooth. I think this may be one of the differences between U.S. fudge and European fudge. Not that you can't find smooth fudge in Europe, just that its normally in big shops like Fudge Factory, while the stuff you find in smaller confectioners is normally more buttery and grainy. Personally I prefer the grainy type. I also like the Brazilian dolce de lecte, which is their take on fudge... although they sometime mix coconut or peanut into it, which I don't like. In Japan the only fudge I can get is the Brazalian variety (unless I go all the way to Tokyo... in which case I'm normally more focused on finding a jammy dougnut at Crispy Creme).

Furbyz said:
I also love culinary history. The history of beer is particularly interesting, some people going so far as to believe it may be the entire reason for the creation of civilization and the Agricultural Revolution. I find it fascinating because food so closely ties into the culture that made and cultivated it. Which says horrible things about my home because the Texas State Fair is responsible for both corn dogs and Fried Coke (well, fried coke is really just coke flavored beignets BUT STILL). It's a weird place, the State Fair, where wondrous, terrible things happen.
I remember reading some stuff about the impact of beer on ancient Babylonian culture. For the Irish it was Whiskey (which translates as "The Water of Life")... although don't start a discussion between an Irishman and a Scotsman about who came up with whiskey first, and which is superior, Irish or Scots, because that'll just lead to an ungodly row.

Furbyz said:
Thank you for telling me about Tablet and Barfi, I hadn't heard of them until now, and as I said I do love history. Actually, I think I'll try my hand at making Tablet today as I have most of the basic ingredients on hand. It seems easy enough as the basic gist of it is "make fudge but don't whip it." EDIT: The previous sentence is very wrong and was formulated before I actually looked up recipes and was going on my perception of the chemistry involved (less whipping = longer sugar crystals = grainy).
Ironically enough my science teacher at school taught me to make fudge, and gave a very interesting lecture on crystalline bonding as illustrated by 3 different varieties of fudge he made. Sadly most of the lesson is forgotten, but the fudge wasn't!

Furbyz said:
On a note unrelated to food, you mentioned earlier in this thread that your family held a grudge against the Stuarts. Well, oddly enough, I am descended from Irish Stuarts. I was wondering what they had done specifically. Or did you mean the royal family, which I have not established a direct line to yet?
Well it's a long story, but I've heard it told old MacIan, head of the MacDonald clan at the time, and about 70 years old around 400 years ago, which was pretty much like being a 100 years old today, went down to hand in his oath of allegiance. He was sent from pillar to post, forced to ride about a 80 miles across Scotland before he could find the chap who was authorised to witness the oath. He signed it in front of the chap, a Campbell, and thought it was all fine.

Behind his back the Campbell put a line through the signature and said the document wasn't legal, so MacDonald hadn't given his oath. The Stuarts jumped on the lie (even though the document was obviously bloody signed in MacIans hand!), seeing a chance to gain territory and prestige, and made sure the King never saw the document and got only the distorted version of things.

The real betrayal though was that the Campbell commander, while gathering his men, claimed guest rights with the MacDonalds (he was related by marriage to the MacDonald clan, and had the right), and then attacked while still covered by guest rights. More than half the MacDonald clan were killed as a result in the Massacre of Glencoe, under the command of a Campbell.

The truth came out in the end, but the Campbells were too influential, and even though compensation was ordered it was never paid by the Stuarts or the Campbells.

.. so not only did they attack and kill MacDonalds under guest right, but even worse they didn't pay the blood debt! Fecking wankers the lot of them. I wouldn't trust a Stuart or a Campbell with a used half-penny stamp!

I reckon with compound interest and the rising value of gold the blood debt should be a couple of trillion dollars by now... care to pay up ye welching Stuart? :p
 

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The Unworthy Gentleman said:
Superlative said:
Is there such a thing as tasty food from England?
I wouldn't expect the country that gave us spray on cheese and fast food to be making food jokes. You probably won't find grease coated shit everywhere so if that's your palette then you're going to hate our food. Get a good pasty, some fish and chips (I swear to God if you ask for fish and fries I'll gut you in your sleep), a Sunday roast from a nice restaurant and revel in the country that gave you life.

EDIT: Apologies if this seems rather angry but I just got done playing Empire Total War and Assassin's Creed 3 and I've been having a bit of trouble with the colonies.
Even in the US it is called fish and chips despite the fact that we call them fries over here. It is such an iconic dish, even here, that it retains that name. As a big fan of that dish I have had it in many restaurants in different parts of the country and have never seen it sold as "fish and fries". I do have to say though that reducing the American contribution to cuisine to fast food and spray cheese is every bit as ignorant as saying there is no good British food. As one of the most culturally diverse nations in the world the US has an enormous variation in regional cuisine with people from all over the world bringing the recipes of their homeland and modifying them over the generations as they adapt to local ingredients and exposure to other cuisines.
 

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Snownine said:
As one of the most culturally diverse nations in the world the US has an enormous variation in regional cuisine with people from all over the world bringing the recipes of their homeland and modifying them over the generations as they adapt to local ingredients and exposure to other cuisines.
A very nice description of U.S. cuisine.