Greece Busts Game Dev "Spies"

[Woodsey]

I suddenly want to buy an ARMA game.

That's some damn fine accidental marketing, guys!

I'm with you. You've got to give them credit for their dedication in wanting to make a realistic as possible military game.

Also, these guys are from the Czech republic, couldn't they have just asked for permission from their nations military to do research or are they just planning on getting as much info as possible from as many different militaries as possible? There's gotta be a better way than to sneak around with a cam corder.

Their games use maps of real places, ARMA 3 is set on that island in Greece (they just change the names).

 

[Gilhelmi]

*THEY'RE STILL ALIVE!!!

But seriously, they could have been shot if they were caught at the base. Illegally photographing military installations will wind you up in jail in most western countries.

Sorry it was really anoying me .

OT: Stupid people are stupid. Channels exist for a reason.

TY, Grammar is very important for accuracy. (I know it sounds like I am being sarcastic but I am not, I truly believe this)

 

[Anonymos]

Limnos is not a fictionalized version of Lemnos. Limnos is how Lemnos is spelled in Greek, but foreigners has trouble understanding that in Greek the i is always read as the e in Greece.

No "Limnos" is how "Λήμνος" is usually transliterated by modern Greeks.
It is neither fictionalised as "Limnos" as this article claiems nor "Limnos" is how it's spelled in Greek as you claim.

Eta, H or η as a vowel had in ancient Greek the sound of long ε but then at some time changed(along with various other vowel-letter) to having the sound of ι.
This is the phaenomenon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iotacism or http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%99%CF%89%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B9%CF%83%CE%BC%CF%8C%CF%82


So when most modern Greeks (or others) trannsliterate "Λήμνος" as Limnos they're trying to represent the "ι" (kind'a' short "ee" in English) sound;they don't write "Lemnos" because in their minds acoustically and coustic-optically "η"="ι" while "ε"=epsilon="e" (as in let's say Italian) does not sound "ι" and its family of letters ,it would be totally different.One of the many problems of course with this is that most Greeks transliterate in a fictional imagined non consistent kind'a' English alphabet.What we write in this fictional system-alphabet does not represent the sounds an English speaker would read and hear reading what has been written.
Most Greeks also don't know that ancient Greek pronunciation was different than the modern one(in fact there were plenty of different pronunciations through time and space).

On the other hand transliterating Λήμνος as Lemnos is more historically correct and certainly not fictional.It's how e.g. δημοκρατία - demokratia is translated in many languages.In English
it's democrasy ,not dimocrasy,nor thimocrasy (note to foreigners while Delta,Δ in ancient Greek sounded like "d" in modern Greek its sound is "th" as in English "this", "that" or "though").

But this is also not consistent; foreigners sometimes pronounce pronounce transilterated in this way words, closer to how ancient Greeks would have sounded pronouncing a Greek word than how modern Greeks pronounce it,sometimes closer to modern than ancient and most of the time totally different from both ancient and modern Greek pronunciation and closer to what their own languages and alphabets sound(also true for Latin words).E.g. Θουκυδίδης->Thucydides pronounced in English.
In classical Attic (I won't deal here with either duration or tone)
it would sound like T'u-ky-di-des .
Th=T'= T aspired(something like word initial T in English)
u like Latin or (more or less) Italian "u"
K instead of "s" sounding English "c"
Y as in (more or less) French "y"
d as in d
I as in (more or less) Italian or Latin i
d as in d
e as in (more or less) Italian e (long)
s as in s.

In modern Greek
it sounds like Thu-k~i-thi-this .
Th= As in English "th" in English "Thought"
u like (more or less) Latin or Italian "u"
K~ "k" instead of "s" sounding English "c" but a palatalised one.
I as in (more or less) Italian or Latin i.This is NOT the stressed vowel-syllable.
th as in (more or less) English "th" in "this"
I as in (more or less) Italian or Latin i .This IS the stressed vowel and syllable.
th as in (more or less) English "th" in "this"
e as in (more or less) Italian e (long)
s as in English "s" or between English "s" and "sh".

See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Greek
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Greek_phonology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_phonology

 

[Anonymos]

This happened to a bunch of British tourists in 2001. It doesn't bode well for those developers. The Brits were given a scam trial and convicted to harsh prison sentences. And the Czech Republic is a lot easier to mess with than Great Britain.

Hilarious.
And Scary.
Some of those European countries take espionage pretty seriously.
Here's hoping they get out of that ok.

"European"? Greece is quite lonely in it's policy of thinking every picture taken of it's antique arsenal is worth of arrest, a scam trial and jail time, thank you.

Funny;I thought we spend so much money in the military since for ever because we're in a turbubelent region having very friendly and energetic neighbours.
But I guess I'm wrong;you must be right.After all the Turkish Military Forces are high-tech ones, top notch, while the Greek ones throw rocks and Greek Fire so why would e.g. the former want to have a video game wherefrom they could have gratis first rate depiction of Greek (national border area) military installations and wherein they could easily play in order to memorise fully how to move around in them?
Also not obeying the (Penal etc) Law is a crime only for "European" or advanced countries' citizens in their countries and especially for non "European" or advanced countries' citizens in "European" or "advanced" countries.Since Greece is not a "European" country,"Europeans" can't break the Greek Law cause they don't have to abide by or follow Greek Law;it's not really law for them;it's not even advisoral;it's more like something barbaric for and of the locals, the natives...

 

[Anonymos]

Isn't there, like, a permit or something they could have gotten before taking a bunch of pictures? This sounds like something you'd need a permit for.

Did you have a permit to write that? That sounds like something you'd need a permit for. I need a permit to get the modem to get the permit to get on this site.

OT: It's not like they can get away with it because "I was only stealing this money so I could build a house, not buy drugs!". The purpose comes down to that matter, although on that scale with all the military applications, it's probably pretty important to be distinguished as innocents.
Sounds like poor decision making on Bohemia Interactive's part.

In fact,based at least on media and other reports, they(the company, don't know about the employees) knew it's illegal but went on to send them anyway;and then tried to cover up their tracks(thread shut down) and moreover afterwards lied(yeah sure they were on vacation sightseeing) when in fact the arrestees had in the beginning said that they WERE collecting pictures and footage.
I guess basic common sense when in troubled countries,International Law and customs, Greek or other countries' (other than their own) Law and National Security is irrelevant to some people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemia_Interactive#Bohemia_Interactive_employees.27_alleged_espionage_arrest_on_Lemnos

 

[Fulbert]

After what Bohemia Interactive has done to the Russian choppers [http://www.armaholic.com/datas/users/pic16_16471.jpg] in ARMA 3 I find those "ultrarealism" claims a bit hard to swallow.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

I'm sure they'll be fine, as soon as it's clarified that they are actually not spies. Still, that is one of the most retarded things I've ever read. There are ways to ask for permission to do research, about your game or book or whatever. You might not be given permission if the information is sensitive, but that's the way the world works, you don't just barge in like a buffoon. Jesus.

While I don't disagree, based on my perspective it would seem prudent to charge the men with an easily proved crime like trespassing, operating without permits and the like without jumping straight to what is in many nations a capital offense.