Greenpeace Says Nintendo is Still Toxic

CyberKnight

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CuddlyCombine said:
Think about it like hybrid car manufacturing; the environmental cost of making a Toyota Prius is actually worse than driving a diesel car for a year or two (I forget the exact specifics).
Good grief, is that myth still floating around?
 

MrDarkling

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Andy Chalk said:
Read this. [http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/01/high-tech-trash/carroll-text.html]

Yeah. This is why it's important.
Was about to post something similar but yeh pretty much this you morons.
Greenpeace are a bit OTT sometimes but they still do what they do for a damn good reason.
 

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CuddlyCombine said:
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how many people actually throw away their consoles anyways?
The concern isn't disposal. While chucking your 360 into the sea isn't very environmental, that's not what we're worried about; rather, you've got to look at the hazardous waste that comes out of producing a system. Think about it like hybrid car manufacturing; the environmental cost of making a Toyota Prius is actually worse than driving a diesel car for a year or two (I forget the exact specifics).
So, what would you have us do? Forsake our PC's, our consoles, our TV's and practically all the modern day entertainment available because it has been manufactured in an un-environmentally friendly way?

What good would that do; its already been manufactured.

Yes, it would be nice to see companies become greener. But I resent the way that you have phrased your post to make it sound like I am personally responsible for the destruction of the earth, when it is something I have virtually no control over at all.

People are apathetic because they feel they cannot make a difference. And its true, alone, they can't. It would take the combined effort of virtually every human on the planet to successfully go absolutely green, which just wont happen. There is too much money in being filthy.

And as an aside, Greenpeace piss people off because they do stupid things to garner attention to their cause, instead of being honest and winning people over with decent argument.
 

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RanD00M said:
Greenpeace can shut it.

I might take them seriously if the din´t go to such drastic measures to try and "save the earth".
So if they were less concerned, then you'd be more concerned? You remind me of my mother whenever she says "yup, global warming" on a cold winter day.
 

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funguy2121 said:
RanD00M said:
Greenpeace can shut it.

I might take them seriously if the din´t go to such drastic measures to try and "save the earth".
So if they were less concerned, then you'd be more concerned? You remind me of my mother whenever she says "yup, global warming" on a cold winter day.
What i mean is if they would stop destroying property and such,i would take them seriously.Because the way Greenpeace is saving the world is mostly just vandalism.
 

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RanD00M said:
funguy2121 said:
RanD00M said:
Greenpeace can shut it.

I might take them seriously if the din´t go to such drastic measures to try and "save the earth".
So if they were less concerned, then you'd be more concerned? You remind me of my mother whenever she says "yup, global warming" on a cold winter day.
What i mean is if they would stop destroying property and such,i would take them seriously.Because the way Greenpeace is saving the world is mostly just vandalism.
Fair enough. I'm a carnivore but I respect vegetarians who aren't assholes a great deal more than PETA. "We're hippies, but Pam Anderson is our spokesperson!" Huh?
 

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Zeeky_Santos said:
Stupid green peace, computers of nowadays are being recycled all the time and about 95% of them can go back into computers, green enough for ya? no? fine, lets just kill all the green peacers then (except for the whale protectors)
Yes, leave the whale protectors for Neonbob.

But really, I think greenpeace are doing a good thing, but sometimes with not that good means.
 

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Amnestic said:
"It's time for a little less conversation and a lot more action on removing toxic chemicals," Greenpeace International Electronics Campaigner Casey Harrell said in a statement. "Apple, Sony Ericsson and Nokia are winning this game and HP is catching up, but lack of action from other companies is ensuring that customers and the environment are still losing out."
Uh, can't she read her own graph thing? Toshiba and Philips both appear to be ahead of Apple.
Well ahead of Apple. Me thinks she uses one herself
 

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B-lockdown080 said:
What do Nintendo's release a cloud of poison gas into the atmoshpere and slow kill everyone around them? The only problem I could see is if people start chucking em everywhere.
You watch Doctor Who, don't you?
 

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So, what would you have us do? Forsake our PC's, our consoles, our TV's and practically all the modern day entertainment available because it has been manufactured in an un-environmentally friendly way?

What good would that do; its already been manufactured.
I'm really glad you've raised this point. People use that to justify food waste a lot, you see; "it's too late because it's already on my plate", that sort of thing. The problem is, by buying excess amounts of food, you fuel demand for said amounts. Companies, in turn, supply. Now, if you bought less food, they would supply less, and more would be available for distribution elsewhere. See? Not quite the same principle applies to electronics, but all the same, if people are buying the trashiest shit, they're just giving companies more cause to keep pumping out waste.

Fragamoo said:
Yes, it would be nice to see companies become greener. But I resent the way that you have phrased your post to make it sound like I am personally responsible for the destruction of the earth, when it is something I have virtually no control over at all.
Well, I hate to say it, but you are to blame. I mean that in two ways; the you that is an individual, and the you that represents the consumer base. Again, people fuel the demand.

Fragamoo said:
People are apathetic because they feel they cannot make a difference. And its true, alone, they can't. It would take the combined effort of virtually every human on the planet to successfully go absolutely green, which just wont happen. There is too much money in being filthy.
Here you see why I'm so resigned to humanity's failure. People would rather play video games on their toxic Wii than spend an hour volunteering in cleanup projects and the like.

Fragamoo said:
And as an aside, Greenpeace piss people off because they do stupid things to garner attention to their cause, instead of being honest and winning people over with decent argument.
How do they do stupid things? They're trying to get the attention of an obese, sycophantic population. The minority screams, "Please, think of our future," while the majority drive their Hummers around and don't vote.

CyberKnight said:
A myth that has been debunked by multiple sources? Yes, you have!
You almost had me there, phew. Anyway, turns out that a few factions claim it's true and a few claim it's false. Nobody's really debunked it, so I'm going to go with true until somebody gives me a definitive answer.
 

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Doc Theta Sigma said:
What has two thumbs, a funny voice and still doesn't give a crap? Bob Kelso. Every human not in Greenpeace. I added the funny voice to keep it fresh.
Awesome quote and awesome sig plus it sums up how I feel about greenpeace, you sir are frakking awesome.
 

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Amnestic said:
I know that when I go out to decide on what electronics to buy, the first thing on my mind is how 'Green' they are.

In which case I would usually buy Microsoft who love the colour like they love money.

"It's time for a little less conversation and a lot more action on removing toxic chemicals," Greenpeace International Electronics Campaigner Casey Harrell said in a statement. "Apple, Sony Ericsson and Nokia are winning this game and HP is catching up, but lack of action from other companies is ensuring that customers and the environment are still losing out."
Uh, can't she read her own graph thing? Toshiba and Philips both appear to be ahead of Apple.

Nintendo may be the worst company, but who is winning on console sales? Uh huh. I don't think they care much about their 'green' reputation when they have twice as many DS sales as the next leading handheld competitor.
Yeah but Trustafarians sure love their Apple.
 

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dalek sec said:
Doc Theta Sigma said:
What has two thumbs, a funny voice and still doesn't give a crap? Bob Kelso. Every human not in Greenpeace. I added the funny voice to keep it fresh.
Awesome quote and awesome sig plus it sums up how I feel about greenpeace, you sir are frakking awesome.
Get to know me, I'm amazing.
 

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I almost got to run over a greenpeace protester outside the base on my way to work.

Almost...
 

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It is excellent to see a mention of green gaming issues on The Escapist.

Green gaming has been an issue for a while for some of the ideologically green people who also happen to love gaming, like myself. We ask ourselves: how do we make this hobby, which does, let's be honest, a lot of environmental damage (such as plastic packaging, vast waste and recycling issues, dangerous chemicals, and electrical use leading to bigger emissions), greener?

At the very least, I think that naming and shaming the people who cut the most corners and thus do the most damage is a great start to making gaming a more ethical hobby. This gives us consumers buying power to choose the future, which we should all be thankful for. Therefore, it is a good deed to republish this.

While Greenpeace, like any organisation of people, no doubt has its flaws, I think that here, they are making a real contribution to society by looking deeply into the impact made by these technologies and communicating that information to wider communities. Every industry has benefited from their input and become more ethical as a result.

Hopefully, companies cutting these corners as Nintendo appears to be will realise that becoming more ethical doesn't even have to mean a loss in profit - after all, if someone with green political beliefs notices information that says a company has done a bunch of things to reduce or negate their environmental impact, then there is a much higher chance that they will buy a product from that company. There is a LOT of profit to be made here, and that profit potential will only increase in magnitude during the 21st century, as environmentally conscious thinking becomes more a part of common sense than anything else.

Monkeytacoz said:
you hear that?..... i think its the sound of no one caring greenpeace
Your statement that "no one" cares misses the fact that I do, so it's time to stop pretending the problem doesn't exist, other people are sensible enough to notice it. Not to mention most of the political world, which is getting its act together on the environment at a much faster rate than ever before.

RanD00M said:
Greenpeace can shut it.

I might take them seriously if the din´t go to such drastic measures to try and "save the earth".
No. They can't, shouldn't and won't "shut it". They will keep speaking because they have the right to do so. This type activism forces people who would otherwise be complete bastards to review their actions thanks to public outcry. This makes an essential contribution to society.

With respect, it would seem that you're new to or have never touched on ecological science, particularly regarding how easy it is to imbalance a food web. If you had serious knowledge in that area, you'd actually understand why groups like Greenpeace use a slogan that seems so hyperbolic as "saving the Earth".

They reason (rightly, as very bright people like David Attenborough would tell you) that the rarity and value of the Earth is in the diversity of life that exists here. When you lower that diversity, you lower the value of the planet, and thus you ruin the value of being a steward, caretaker or leading species on that planet, like humans are today. That means that when Greenpeace campaigns with a slogan like "saving the Earth", they mean "saving the value of the Earth". After all, devaluing a thing is a lot like destroying it, therefore preserving that value would be a lot like saving it.

So you see, it's not hyperbole at all, but a short hand phrase for something that makes a lot of sense. Don't be too quick to judge a group on the basis of its slogans, there is always more to what they believe in than that. This doesn't mean that they believe that they are superheroes, or "holier than thou", as another person in the thread crudely put it. Merely, they are pointing out that destruction is occurring and doing whatever is necessary to stand in the way.
 

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I think the company is measured on how green it is when it's producing the electronics. For example, Nintendo could be wasting alot of reusable packaging, or using polystyrene instead of recycled cardboard.