unstabLized said:
SPOILER SPOILER. SHOO IF YOU DON'T WANNA SEE.
-Anyway, the thing I took away from the post-credits was that even though everything was reset, there was at least one universe where Booker and Anna get to live a normal and happy life together.
-Food is probably grown and made somehow, considering Colombia has good weather, living conditions, etc.
-Warmness, not too sure about that.
-Bridge... Ehhh kinda nit picking, I didn't really think about it. It's a game, so..
-As for water, at least for the beach part, there's a room you can go into that doesn't really have anything in it, but there are pipes and pulleys and contraptions moving around. Elizabeth remarks on how "the water looks so real, yet it's just a clever set up of pipes and pulleys" or something like that.
-Regarding Elizabeth, I figured that after living in a tower for 20 years, she would know the building inside out, and she looked through each keyhole or something.
-Also, I think she claimed that she's not able to create worlds. As in, her worlds. The scene in Paris was pre-existing, she didn't create that theatre or the roads or the ambulance, she just opened a tear into that world.
-The reason why she couldn't make a tear to go to a peaceful post-revolution Colombia was simply because a Colombia like that doesn't exist. As long as Booker was alive, Comstock would be made, and Comstock would make Colombia. In some cases, Chen Lin would die. In other cases, Vox Populi would be supplied with guns. However, Fitzroy's thirst for blood would always lead to a massacre. That's why Colombia burned every time. So you either had a demolished city or a Comstock city. There would never be a peaceful Colombia.
-I guess, regarding Liz's founding of powers, she's just somehow special. I mean, besides Booker, other people travelled through different universes too. Comstock himself, the Lutece "twins", etc. but they didn't gain any power.
-If Booker doesn't hand Elizabeth over, then I think Comstock would've just taken her by force, or he would be stuck with "the debt". The only scene where he keeps Anna with no troubles is in post-credit.
-A mistake that everyone makes when it comes to this game is that Booker and Elizabeth aren't time travelling. They're universe travelling. They can't go back, they can only go to a universe where some stuff hasn't happened yet. So yeah, in some universes, they might've been able to stop some people from getting murdered somehow, but what about all the other universes?
-Booker's wife dies giving birth to Anna.
well its about 15 celsius at 20k feet too cold for beach wear imo! most people wear ski clothing up those sort of heights, we dont see any live stock of fields of wheat a city of the size would need a very substantial area of fields for crops and grazing and what not , and i think its too cold and dry for most of it to grow,
the water point was two fold , as rain clouds typically form in the 6 to 20k feet department how exactly is rain hitting columbia? and if they can lower teh city which is doubtful (because of the drives that hold the city up) we have the other problem of it must remain above clouds at all time or it would be discovered.
but yes very nit picking points that "because game" works fine for me really , its just if you make an alternate environment i like it when they pay attention to details.
Elizabeth does know the shape of her rooms , but she didn't know she was in that big tower even, the only hole is the roof where songbird comes in , there are some 1 way windows but she cant see out of them , there's no real way for her to divine the outside.
And true she may not be able to create worlds , or she may , if she cant the whole bit with her mother is a bit hard to explain but that wasn't my point. they used her loosing power through the siphon as a plot device as to why she can only open tears across dimensions and not space or time, and that she can only use a tear which is already their in its nascent form. BUT she creates a tear in front of a picture of Paris that crosses not just dimensions but space and time.
Of course that version of Columbia existed, its an infinite multiverse. there are ones which crashed, exploded got hit by an asteroid, Comstock dies every day in a million different ways from tripping getting out of bed to left eye aneurysm any number or tears could of let in some influence leading to a peaceful movement theres an infinite number of possibiites that are never considered. there are ones where comstock sees the error of his ways and welcomes the false shepherd , there are ones .. you get my point its an infinite multiverse not a convenient few and fitting the criteria provided verse.
Liz and powers, LIz and Dewitt and the only two who are not native to their plane though , comstock fink and various others in columbia use tears to get stuff but they are still in their dimension. and Lutece most definitely does get power they are free wheeling and outside normal space time. they have re run this last experiment over 120 times.
lets just say skipped a generation ?
maybe comstock could of talked lutece into abducting maybe not but thats not the point as the story would of changed and choice would of been made. its an infinte multiverse thing you cant allow all possibilities then realize one doesn't fit and just smudge it.
Bookers wife doenst die in childbirth in an infinte number of planes. this is the problem with infinte multiverse no one ever thinks it out.
In the infinte universe tree amongst the infinte branches one splits off and down the path to earth being formed, a near infinte number of branches along this never see humans appear. in the near infinte number of branches down this tree in nearly all booker wont be born neither will his wife, if we prune the tree to the branches where they do meet and marry there is still an infinte number of outcomes. ones where Booker isnt a murdering racist and they live happily she dies in some of childbirth before that in many and never in a lot to. there are only a tiny few branches of Booker deWitt's fights in wounded knee. there are millions of events and infinite combinations of ways for them to play out in his back story to lead to anything happening , hes president in one, a doctor with the skill to save his wife from the complication that she doesnt get in this branch in only one in 8 will all 3 be the right sex for the story.
Not time traveling? open to debate frankly. its not clear ill grant you. but Elizabeth is talking before you go there she isnt happy with just killing this comstock she wants every comstock in every world gone and the only way that she picks is to get all of her versions from these branches and they drown booker. for this to erase all comstocks the effect has to occur back in time, just killing one booker then and there will have just as little effect as killing the one comstock did. whether they time travel or not it is clear through what she is aiming to to achieve she can now weave this shit like a tapestry affecting infinite number of branches and pulling any number of selcted strands together to be affected by one choice.
This of course will now lead me straight back into its an infinite universe rant. there are an infinite number ot better ways to deal with the problem and self erasure is plain stupid.