The premise that social-darwinism in modern society is not scientific is wrong. It is the very reason why advanced societies failed to evolve in some regions of the world, while societies elsewhere succeeded.
Guatemala riots over budget, set fire to congress building over healthcare.
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You were the first person to call the other person's argument silly, I therefore declare you winner!
So you think that England's early industrialization wasn't so much about having a large navy suitable for defending a group of islands without a large standing army and a lot more surface coal deposits than elsewhere on Earth, but was actually a matter of not having a functioning welfare state, whereas other places-- the sadly not so "advanced" societies-- took care of people and avoided poverty for the most part? Because that's the only way "Social Darwinism" could apply to any of that.
Do you think that the concept of private property is universal? It is unique and apparent in advanced societies.
Which was advanced in the time it existed. First evidences of cities, organized worship, documented trade, governance, writing system...
edit: I think it has the first ever set of recorded law-system
slavery as well, labor reallotment is important in top-to-bottom economies. Look up how societies were managed before the bronze-age collapse, very centralized, top-to-bottom organization.
Existence requires people to work to live. No system allows everyone to stop working. In fact, your grievance with capitalism seems to be that some people aren't working.
Oh, we got troll Iron again. Hey bud. Let us know when the other guy comes back
The Utopian concept of Capitalism is fantastic. Its also not a reality. It's nothing like what we've got today. We're about as close as Stalin is to Capitalism.
This year? Millions
I mean, if Capitalism did 'work and trade' at all, we wouldn't have a problem with it. Specifically, our Capitalism restrict trade to benefit certain people. It's like a cartel, extorting money (by both governments and businesses.)
The Utopian concept of Capitalism is fantastic. Its also not a reality. It's nothing like what we've got today. We're about as close as Stalin is to Capitalism.
Important to realize that Iron is arguing both that woke globalization is destroying the working class and that putting class over race is necessarily racist while arguing in favor of an essentialist understanding of race and equating Social Darwinism with Darwinian evolution. There is no way of unraveling the Gordian knot he’s made for himself that isn’t fascism.
I disdain equating notions of property that aren’t modern private property with one another. Private property is a relatively modern invention that served as an after the fact justification of European conquests and a way of isolating the “sinful but necessary” acts of empire to random actors. That later element served to aid in European conquests, though other technological and social differences were vastly more important, like guns, the colonialist mentality, the massive influx of wealth from the conquest of the Americas, etc.
The only way to balance such contradictions without demanding radical change is to isolate all social ills as being the result of bad character and original sin, yes.
" Private property is a relatively modern invention that served as an after the fact justification of European conquests "
what.
what made you come to this conclusion?
I don't believe in original sin
Modern private property only starts after colonists have stolen jt.
Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, actually. Seeing Gibson project his ideas of feudal property onto Roman society rather than all the times I’d seen it done with private property illustrated how Rome and most ancient societies practiced neither.
I understand I may be mistaken, but I am still confused. Gibson attempted to frame the way Roman society viewed property as "feudal property", which is tied to land and obligations between individuals, yet you said it isn't that. Others have tried to use modern "private property", which are also incorrect. Then what is the way in which the ancient civilizations (or specifically, this Roman one) viewed property?