Guild Wars 2 First Impression

[Syzygy23]

Damn I was considering getting GW2 too. Oh well looks like I'll pass. If the PvP is bad it is highly likely the rest of the game is bad.

Disappointed really. A good pvp MMO like DFO would be great. Too bad the market doesn't seem to justify making them.

XD GW2 isn't side-scrolling like DFO (assuming you mean dungeon fighter online).

I'm aware, I'm not referring to the side scrolling aspect I'm referring to the depth of the player versus player.

They should really make reading comprehension a requirement in schools again. Geniuses like jbm1986 are all too common these days.

Absolutely NOTHING you said in the quote alludes to the "depth" of PvP. You said it was "bad", but that can mean many things other than depth. And even then, you don't think the number of physical dimensions a game utilizes wouldn't affect depth of it's gameplay? Reading Comprehension seems to be the least of our public education worries if that's how you think.

 

[Kordie]

I'm aware, I'm not referring to the side scrolling aspect I'm referring to the depth of the player versus player.

They should really make reading comprehension a requirement in schools again. Geniuses like jbm1986 are all too common these days.

Absolutely NOTHING you said in the quote alludes to the "depth" of PvP. You said it was "bad", but that can mean many things other than depth. And even then, you don't think the number of physical dimensions a game utilizes wouldn't affect depth of it's gameplay? Reading Comprehension seems to be the least of our public education worries if that's how you think.

Laughing at the irony... side scrollers have height and width but lack depth.

Also...

Hey, what servers are everybody on? Me and a friend are on Darkhaven. If there's an Escapist guild there, I'd join!

See here. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/Guild-Wars]

 

[Jdb]

One thing this game does right is a sense of exploration and adventure. There was never a time in a zone where I didn't go "Oh look at that. I have to see what's over there!" at least a few times.

However, I'm quickly losing interest because of the game play. Most fights are just mashing cooldowns until everything dies. Although it's faster and more mobile than other MMOs, its mechanics are very, very similar to them.

Overall, I don't think this will be the MMORPG revolution people are expecting.

 

[Fishyash]

Damn I was considering getting GW2 too. Oh well looks like I'll pass. If the PvP is bad it is highly likely the rest of the game is bad.

Disappointed really. A good pvp MMO like DFO would be great. Too bad the market doesn't seem to justify making them.

You're definitely right about the market. I've already given up on looking for good PvP in MMOs entirely and just look to different genres for good competetive games.

I think it's too much to expect good action combat from an MMO (pvp especially in regards to RPGs), when a AAA title of any other action genre can demolish any MMO in quality. The MMO part pretty much sacrifices any chance of good action combat, but GW2 is a step in the right direction for the AAA market.

At face value though, you cannot really see the strategy and reactions required for this game, or games like World of Warcraft, SWTOR, GW1. I wouldn't recommend judging the pvp from face value. From an unexperienced point of view, you look at these games and wonder "WTF is going on?"

GW1 was a PvP MMO but I think GW2 is definitely more focused on PvE... which WoW proved is what more MMORPG players care about.

 

[Nostalgia]

I have to admit I didn't see the ending coming.

"Shit!"
"Shit!"
"Rubbish!"
"Shit!"
"Rubbish!"
"Garbage!"
"Shit!"

"I'd give it 8/10".

Heh. Pretty much what I was thinking.


I have been enjoying it. I can't say it's worth the $60 yet but it's a really nice change of pace after playing WoW for so, so long. I honestly haven't even got to play it that much because it's a busy week for me, but the fact that it has no monthly subscription is what makes it really attractive. Since it's an MMO, I'm sure I'll get the gametime in to justify what I paid considering I don't outright hate it.

I didn't really get to play much of GW1 but I do like this better in comparison so far.

 

[Tohuvabohu]

One thing this game does right is a sense of exploration and adventure. There was never a time in a zone where I didn't go "Oh look at that. I have to see what's over there!" at least a few times.

However, I'm quickly losing interest because of the game play. Most fights are just mashing cooldowns until everything dies. Although it's faster and more mobile than other MMOs, its mechanics are very, very similar to them.

Overall, I don't think this will be the MMORPG revolution people are expecting.

Yeah? That's too bad. Although it's pretty much exactly the impression I got from it. Mechanics would be the only thing that would draw me into this particular game. And I figured the mechanics wouldn't live up to the hype.

Some might jump down my throat for knocking it without trying it, but I really really never felt a single ounce of appeal for this game. I don't doubt that it's likely a solid game, but it just doesn't do anything for me personally.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

And I figured the mechanics wouldn't live up to the hype.

Some might jump down my throat for knocking it without trying it, but I really really never felt a single ounce of appeal for this game.

I'm not going to "jump down your throat", but I will point out that this is the living definition of a confirmation bias.

 

[Tohuvabohu]

And I figured the mechanics wouldn't live up to the hype.

Some might jump down my throat for knocking it without trying it, but I really really never felt a single ounce of appeal for this game.

I'm not going to "jump down your throat", but I will point out that this is the living definition of a confirmation bias.

But doesn't that ever happen to you? When something just, remains unappealing, when people gush over things that go over your head or just ultimately have no care for at all?

I gotta admit, once I'm at this stage it's really hard for me to give a game a second chance. But it's not like I glossed through every single post in this thread, saw Jdb's post and went "I KNEW IT THIS GAME IS SHIT." I read through every page here, read every positive thing people have to say - and like I said, I don't deny the game itself must be a solid game.

But nothing I read changes my personal problems with the game, namely - it's fantasy setting, and lore. I think I've just had enough of these sort of fantasy themed MMO's. What do I do when Guild Wars 2, a fantasy themed MMO, comes along? I'm pretty much fucked.

So the setting and lore wouldn't do it for me. That's why I said that mechanics would be the only thing that could sell the game for me. And everything I've read about it's mechanics from player impressions, and dev diary videos, seem like things I've already seen before, or would do little to rouse my interest.

MMO's don't typically excel in the 'gameplay' department, so for me, setting and lore HAS to be appealing to keep my attention. And I personally am not endeared by the setting and lore in Guild Wars. I don't feel it, and it drags the whole game down with it for me.

It's too bad because I do enjoy MMO's and like the idea of playing one without a monthly sub. But in this case, I don't think I would be able to do it.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

But doesn't that ever happen to you? When something just, remains unappealing, when people gush over things that go over your head or just ultimately have no care for at all?

Oh, totally. I'm extremely vulnerable to confirmation bias too, as are we all. I do try to recognize when I'm doing it, though, and give myself a stern talking to, as I don't just want to lurch through life constantly getting convinced of my own prejudices.

You don't need to defend your lack of interest in it. It's a fine game, and I really enjoy it, but nothing is for everyone, and I can understand genre/milieu fatigue better than most.

It's not mechanically broken, though, it's just overcrowded. They announced 400K concurrent users during the head start. That's a LOT. TOR only managed 350K, with 2 million box sales and a hugely popular IP. Their servers are GROANING under the load. The most mechanically sophisticated game in the world isn't going to shine under those conditions. Put 50+ people into a dynamic event and of course it's all noise and button smashing. They really do get a lot more interesting once the crowds thin out.

 

[jbm1986]

Damn I was considering getting GW2 too. Oh well looks like I'll pass. If the PvP is bad it is highly likely the rest of the game is bad.

Disappointed really. A good pvp MMO like DFO would be great. Too bad the market doesn't seem to justify making them.

XD GW2 isn't side-scrolling like DFO (assuming you mean dungeon fighter online).

I'm aware, I'm not referring to the side scrolling aspect I'm referring to the depth of the player versus player.

They should really make reading comprehension a requirement in schools again. Geniuses like jbm1986 are all too common these days.

Yes and I'm aware that it isn't either. Unfortunately sarcasm is hard to convey on the internet. What's worse was that my words were not only misinterpreted, but also met with such a cruel and condescending response.

 

[ThriKreen]

They could have made the CE box a bit smaller... [https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/615174_10151185146731210_1565226246_o.jpg].

And yes, that's two SWTOR CEs, the one on top is signed by the dev team.

 

[Blade_125]

You give it an 8/10 after that rant? I must admit I don't understand your scoring system.

I think this simply isn't the game for you. I love the way exploration works, adn that I don't need to treck back and forth to pick up uninteresting quests that I don't even read. The platforming is fun, a nice break from the grind. I like how there is a reason to explore and see the various areas, adn the vistas are a nice touch.

PVP is not as simplistic as you amke it out to be. likely you weren't a high enough level to have different options unlocked. Depending on the situation and your role you will want different abilities put into your 6-10 slots (you have to be level 30 for 5 slots, I have 4 right now). While it is annoying to have to run so far, I still like it because it means something when you die. If enough people are stupid and run forward and then the battle line moves your team is going to pay for it. Personally I love the epic feel to the battles and how battle lines move back and forth and keeps change hands. There are tactics to battles, but someone has to take the lead. I think when more guilds are formed there will be more interesting battles.

It's too bad you don't like the style of game. It sounds like the pve sytle isn't for you, but I think you should give the pvp another try when you are at least lvl 20.

 

[CoL0sS]

I played the beta and liked it well enough. My brother really wanted to buy it so we split the bill. I reckon I'll get enough fun out of it....just as soon as I get to play the damn thing .
Seriously, I'm used to shitty launches of online games, but this is getting ludicrous. Beta worked perfectly for me, so I assumed this launch will be less bumpy than others, especially since players who pre-purchased have been playing it since 25th.
I've been trying for the whole damn day and managed to log in only once, just so I can be immediately kicked out. To my understanding this is a common problem for European players and they're working on fixing it, but it sure made me miss those days when I could just play the game, straight out of the fucking box.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I've been trying for the whole damn day and managed to log in only once, just so I can be immediately kicked out. To my understanding this is a common problem for European players and they're working on fixing it, but it sure made me miss those days when I could just play the game, straight out of the fucking box.

I feel for you, buddy. You're not alone at the moment, it sounds like the entire EU is getting serious login issues.

Their concurrent player numbers are just ridiculous, so their servers are getting destroyed.

 

[WoW Killer]

Haha, I haven't even tried logging in all day, as I was expecting those pesky server issues (as EU you get used to it). Oh well, it didn't take all that long to stabilise after early access started, so I don't think it should be too long now.

Anyways. I've already given my thoughts on the game through the various beta topics. Overall it's a decent step forward and well worth the cost given the lack of a subscription. However, I was expecting to see a fair amount of disappointment come release. Mostly because there's been so much hype for the game which it could never live up to. It is another MMO, and for those with serious MMO-fatigue-syndrome it won't be the revolution you were expecting. It sits somewhere between familiarity and innovation; it seems to hit the right note for me, but your own experience may vary.

 

[Quaxar]

There are several people that have hit 80 already, in less then 2 days............c'mon. lol

Yes, because they are people who hate fun and have to assemble a whole team of assistants just to be the first person to hit the level cap.

Seriously, I'm used to shitty launches of online games, but this is getting ludicrous. Beta worked perfectly for me, so I assumed this launch will be less bumpy than others, especially since players who pre-purchased have been playing it since 25th.
I've been trying for the whole damn day and managed to log in only once, just so I can be immediately kicked out. To my understanding this is a common problem for European players and they're working on fixing it, but it sure made me miss those days when I could just play the game, straight out of the fucking box.

Have you been playing on Saturday? The login servers were messed up for hours due to the masses of people trying to login at once. Every time there's a new update and you have to restart it's probably wise to wait for a few minutes because otherwise you may experience mass login problems again.
And you know what? I don't care a bit. All the problems with the login server is only caused because there are even more players than expected. They have a huge tech team working on the issues and they should be mostly resolved since sunday. If you still have problems I suggest contacting support if it doesn't get better.
Also, since when are the first launch days the time where everything runs the smoothest?

 

[Norrdicus]

Aion Online launch - 16-hour server queues. Just saying

 

[JeffBergGold]

Damn I was considering getting GW2 too. Oh well looks like I'll pass. If the PvP is bad it is highly likely the rest of the game is bad.

Disappointed really. A good pvp MMO like DFO would be great. Too bad the market doesn't seem to justify making them.

XD GW2 isn't side-scrolling like DFO (assuming you mean dungeon fighter online).

I'm aware, I'm not referring to the side scrolling aspect I'm referring to the depth of the player versus player.

They should really make reading comprehension a requirement in schools again. Geniuses like jbm1986 are all too common these days.

Absolutely NOTHING you said in the quote alludes to the "depth" of PvP. You said it was "bad", but that can mean many things other than depth. And even then, you don't think the number of physical dimensions a game utilizes wouldn't affect depth of it's gameplay? Reading Comprehension seems to be the least of our public education worries if that's how you think.

It did, you just lack the capacity to properly comprehend it. Your long winded justification for your failure to comprehend my text only further proves my assertion.

 

[catalyst8]

After several days of early access & now the official release there are numerous important issues (log-in/server problems, character creation issues, forums closed) which simply haven't been dealt with & are causing problems as I type this. Hopefully these issues aren't disastrous & will be rapidly addressed, but it's worth noting that the three most recent MMO releases I can think of before Guild Wars 2 (The Secret World, The Old Republic, & Rift) had much smoother, less problematic releases. I can't think of a single MMO which has had a perfect release, but of the recent batch in the last year or so GW2 is far from the best.

It's a very pretty game, reminding me a lot of Japanese fantasy RPGs with it's cartoon-style graphics.

What concerns me most is the continued use of the in-game shop. ArenaNet have admitted that items bought in-game will, at least to some extent, affect the strength of characters' abilities, & in a game which sells itself as featuring heavily involved PvP that sounds ominously like 'Pay to win'.

I saw this on someone else's PC & have to admit that I won't be buying it.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

What concerns me most is the continued use of the in-game shop. ArenaNet have admitted that items bought in-game will, at least to some extent, affect the strength of characters' abilities, & in a game which sells itself as featuring heavily involved PvP that sounds ominously like 'Pay to win'.

Dude, they said no such thing. In fact, they've said quite the opposite, and anyone looking at the items in the item shop would very quickly realize how preposterous the notion of "pay to win" is. At best you can accelerate the process of getting a chance at a random miniscule boost, which only affects you for a short period of time (and only in PvE, at that). 5% more damage here I come! Whee! Look at me, I'm paying to WIN.

I guess you could buy the cosmetic boxing gloves. Because then you could win. At boxing RP.