Gun laws.

[BlueMage]

lol guns.

Good for defence against mugging? Hah. Tell me something pro-gunners - I have a gun, and you have a gun. I mug you. I've already got my gun drawn, aimed and safety off. Yours is still concealed. Who has the advantage here, and what makes you think you'll be able to even draw your weapon before I drop you?

And besides, a real man needs naught but his own body - anything else is just the tool of a coward against another human.

 

[ReepNeep]

lol guns.

Good for defence against mugging? Hah. Tell me something pro-gunners - I have a gun, and you have a gun. I mug you. I've already got my gun drawn, aimed and safety off. Yours is still concealed. Who has the advantage here, and what makes you think you'll be able to even draw your weapon before I drop you?

And besides, a real man needs naught but his own body - anything else is just the tool of a coward against another human.

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear your point over all the over all that that macho chest-banging.

The mugger is not necessiarrily going to have a gun, and there will be points where he is distracted enough to draw and at least be on equal footing, especially since he won't know for a fact you have one. The alternative is being unarmed, and at that point your life rests totally in your attacker's hands. Not a situation I am comfortable with.

As to your 'guns are for cowards' argument, real combat doesn't have rules, or honor for that matter. It's about survival and if you can't be sure that your opponent doesn't mean to seriously harm or even kill you, you need to use whatever means available to protect yourself. Anything less means placing your trust in the hands of one who has done nothing to indicate that he is worthy of it.

Just what the hell is an unarmed 110 pound woman supposed to do against a 250 pound ex-con with a knife? Or an elderly person too fragile for the rigors of unarmed combat? These people should just throw themselves on the mercy of their attackers and hope they aren't raped and/or murdered?

For the record I do have experience in a couple of martial arts and no art works against a gun. None of them. I'm not comfortable trusting my skills against multiple people either. I have considerably more faith my CZ-75B and accompanying hollow points.

 

[robosextoid]

Hahahahaha. The constitution is a really old document full of stupid outdated laws. And disallowing people to have guns has NOTHING to do with communism. People who reason that way is what is wrong with America today, and what has turned it, wait a minute, America has never been good, that has kept America from evolving like the rest of the world. That has kept America from advancing. There's a bloody reason almost all famous serial killers come from that country. America is a horrific country, an example of what happens when a country goes bad. A warning to the rest of the world.

It wouldn't be impossible. It happens every day in the rest of the world. The parts that it seems are marked as "here be dragons and communists" on American maps.

Your comment makes me sad. Hate won't save the world. The people I meet in America are friendly and helpful. And they are real people with real lives and goals and dreams. Just like you, and just like the rest of the world.

Demonizing any country is just ignorant. I would encourage you to develop your critical thinking skills and read history from several perspectives.

 

[Clone552]

lol guns.

Good for defence against mugging? Hah. Tell me something pro-gunners - I have a gun, and you have a gun. I mug you. I've already got my gun drawn, aimed and safety off. Yours is still concealed. Who has the advantage here, and what makes you think you'll be able to even draw your weapon before I drop you?

And besides, a real man needs naught but his own body - anything else is just the tool of a coward against another human.

I know of an incident where a man who had a black belt in karate got out of his car and walked over to a man sitting in his. The guy saw him coming, after hearing him threaten him, and he shot him. He didn't die, didn't press charges, and that was the end of the story.

It wasn't that the man with the gun was a coward, he was defending himself from someone that posed a threat to him. And before anyone says that he didn't know the other guy practiced martial arts, he was still wearing his uniform.

 

[werepossum]

lol guns.

Good for defence against mugging? Hah. Tell me something pro-gunners - I have a gun, and you have a gun. I mug you. I've already got my gun drawn, aimed and safety off. Yours is still concealed. Who has the advantage here, and what makes you think you'll be able to even draw your weapon before I drop you?

And besides, a real man needs naught but his own body - anything else is just the tool of a coward against another human.

I know of an incident where a man who had a black belt in karate got out of his car and walked over to a man sitting in his. The guy saw him coming, after hearing him threaten him, and he shot him. He didn't die, didn't press charges, and that was the end of the story.

It wasn't that the man with the gun was a coward, he was defending himself from someone that posed a threat to him. And before anyone says that he didn't know the other guy practiced martial arts, he was still wearing his uniform.

That's the thing about a gun, it's the great equalizer. There's an old man, maybe sixty at the time, on the mountain that's about five foot nothing (150 cm) and maybe 100 pounds (45 kg.) He'd had words with his son-in-law over beating the old man's daughter. The son-in-law is in the neighborhood of maybe 6'-4" and 250 lbs (195 cm and 115 kg) - he's a big ol' boy and a bit of a tush hog. He ran into the old man in a grocery store parking lot, threatened his life, and drew back a fist - not knowing the old man always carried a five shot thirty-two revolver in his overall bib pocket. Before that punch landed the old man whipped out the .32 and fired five shots into his assailant's chest. Then he gathered up his groceries, got in his truck, ran the SOB over (trucks are great equalizers too), and went home. The son-in-law survived (I told you he was a tush hog.) His wife divorced him soon after. The police refused to press charges (self defense, lots of witnesses, and the son-of-a-***** defense.) And everyone lived happily ever after.

I love that story.

 

[Shivari]

I highly doubt that the number of murders that there would be of old grandmas without guns would counter the drop in murders from a gun ban.

 

[tsb247]

For the record I do have experience in a couple of martial arts and no art works against a gun. None of them. I'm not comfortable trusting my skills against multiple people either. I have considerably more faith my CZ-75B and accompanying hollow points.

The Israeli art of Krav Maga can be used against or in conjunction with firearms. Is it a 100% gurantee? Certainly not, but it does teach disarming techniques, and disabling techniques against assailants with firearms. You might want to look into it if you are not familure with it... It's incredible.

 

[tsb247]

And besides, a real man needs naught but his own body - anything else is just the tool of a coward against another human.

You may want to seek some help. your ego is far too big for your own good, and it has been known to have negative effects on one's health.

If someone were to mug you on the street at gunpoint, I promise you would do three things in this order:

1. throw up your hands.

2. Give them whatever they asked for.

3. (this is important) Live or die depending on the mood of your mugger.

If you were to try something stupid, like defend yourself with your fists, you would probably end up on the evening news as, "[Insert name here] was killed this evening in a mugging gone wrong."

I promise you that if you were in a situation like this, you would be praying for a .45 to fall out of the sky and into your hand. It wouldn't gurantee your survival, but it would level the playing field.

Criminals will always have guns. I don't care what anyone says. There will always be someone making them, and there will always be people able to get them that shouldn't, not matter what the laws say. Banning them will not solve the problem of violent crime, and it would only create victims for armed criminals to prey on.

 

[tsb247]

Well I really don't see how if we're invaded everyone that owns a handgun in the area would be able to suppress an army. Not every civilian owns a gun either, so it's not like the entire force of a city would be there, and if I saw troops and tanks roaming down my street I'd stay the fuck out of the way, not run at them with a pistol and play hero.

Also people here say we need to "protect" ourselves. But what are we protecting ourselves from? Other guns. You need the 2nd amendment to protect yourself from it. It's an odd situation.

But although I would love for this country to ban guns, we never will. People would be stuborn and freak out about it for silly reasons. But oh well.

Maybe you should read some of the above posts which cite sources about the effects of gun control in America.

Take Chicago and Washington D.C. for instance. They have some of the strictest gun control laws in the country that they have some of the highest rates of violent, gun related crime. There is no justification for a gun ban when there is no clear evidence that it would work. If you ban the sale of firearms to civilians, people will just make them, sell them on the black market, etc. You would simply create a larger black market that is far more profitable. In the meantime, criminals would rejoice because they already have guns, and they have not the slightest care what some congressman says is legal or not. They will be armed, and their victims will not be. How would this be good again?

Besides, guns are not the problem here. They are just amalgamations of steel, wood, and/or composites joined with screws and springs. They are only as evil as the people wielding them, and it is ignorant to believe that banning them would really solve anything. How can you hold an object responsible for something a person does? Does the hammer drive the nail? Does the laptop type this post by itself? It takes a human factor for a gun to do evil. Keep the guns out of the wrong hands, and the problems are diminished significantly. That's a tough problem to solve, but it can be done with a little innovation and minor regulations.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

Most murders are, invariably, due to irate spouses or family members. But frankly, I don't care

 

[johnman]

So the robber has you at gunpoint? His is ready and aimed at you, yours is holstered, safety on, probly uncocked, now whose gonna win that? Even if both people are armed they are by no means on even terms. It may even lead to the robber just shooting you outright as knows your carrying and its safer for him to do so.

 

[BlueMage]

And besides, a real man needs naught but his own body - anything else is just the tool of a coward against another human.

You may want to seek some help. your ego is far too big for your own good, and it has been known to have negative effects on one's health.

My ego's just fine mate. You may have realised this if you understood the real thrust of my argument.

If someone were to mug you on the street at gunpoint, I promise you would do three things in this order:

1. throw up your hands.

2. Give them whatever they asked for.

3. (this is important) Live or die depending on the mood of your mugger.

If you were to try something stupid, like defend yourself with your fists, you would probably end up on the evening news as, "[Insert name here] was killed this evening in a mugging gone wrong."

I promise you that if you were in a situation like this, you would be praying for a .45 to fall out of the sky and into your hand. It wouldn't gurantee your survival, but it would level the playing field.

Mate, if someone mugged me on the street at gunpoint, whether I have a gun or not becomes irrelevant. This is cold hard fact. If you mug me, and I have a gun, guess what? The instant I go for it, I'M DEAD ANYWAY. The fact that I have one is meaningless - it doesn't level the playing field except in the case that my attacker is such a collosal moron they can't even point-and-click. And yes, at that range, it is point-and-click. Of course, if they're that close and they miss anyway, we again get to the situation where I don't need a gun.

Criminals will always have guns. I don't care what anyone says. There will always be someone making them, and there will always be people able to get them that shouldn't, not matter what the laws say. Banning them will not solve the problem of violent crime, and it would only create victims for armed criminals to prey on.

Gee, you'd think here in uncivilised .au we'd all be living in fear of the armed criminals due to the fact that practically no civilian owns guns anymore.

And yet, we're not.

Think on that.

 

[munkyforce]

This may be a liitle off topic but I think that a large part of feeling a need to protect oneself comes from the apathy of other citizens. The previous post about the unreported gunfire in New orleans caught my eye in particular. I have personal experience with this here in Australia. I had a strung out meth addict hold a knife to my throat and threaten to kill me for half an hour because I looked at him funny. In that time at least 10 cars drove by, nobody stopped to help me, nobody even called the police. I was lucky and managed to eventually talk him down. Given that feeling that if something happens you're on your own, I can fully sympathise with the desire to protect yourself.

 

[thomasronan]

I watch the TV here in the UK everyday and there seems to be stories about stabbings everywhere. Most people carry a knife for prodection so I can only assume that most would carry guns if they became legal. ANY type of gun, from tactical nuke to pistol is designed for one thing. At thats not to make babies.

 

[Jeronus]

I only have one gun law I would like implemented. I want the use of guns banned from hunting. It is bad enough that you bloodthirsty assassin tracking you down without but for him to be able to kill you so easily is just plain wrong. If you are going to hunt an animal, give the damn thing a chance to fight back. You should only hunt with physical weapons like knives and spears. I just want hunters to face the animal instead of just sniping them from a tree and acting like they did something monumental. You killed an animal who didn't even know you were hunting it. BIG DEAL!

 

[wordsmith]

Do you think this: http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=5538780
Would have happened if it weren't for guns? And don't give me any shit about him being right in shooting those people.

I know you've said not to, but... He was.

He gave them quite clear instructions, and as a result of them not following those instructions they were killed. It's the same sort of line that a police marksman would use to inform the criminal that they are armed. Very short, to the point, and supplying the guy with a choice: Stay there and live, or move and die.

Why the hell should he be prosecuted, he was merely acting in his neighbour's interest. If the police are not fast enough to show up, why shouldn't he act? What's to stop them coming back the next night and robbing HIS house? So what does he do? He sets up a deterrant. He informs them that he has a gun and so it was a bad idea to move (this is called a citizen's arrest- using appropriate force to subdue a member of the public committing a crime until such time when a policeman is available to take custody of the prisoner). I admit that I wouldn't have shot for the body or head, and I would have fired a warning shot towards their feet, but other than that I agree with the guy 100%

 

[Silver]

A country in which every nutcase with a gun can make the laws, and decide on the spot if they are worthy of living, and even worse, is praised for it, is not a place I want to live.