Guns need to go...or do they?

[LemonMelon]

My own personal fear of anything that makes loud sudden noises makes me hate them. On top of the fact that I don't like weapons.

Personally I think only the police and military should be able to carry guns. People who have been through numerous psychological tests and have sworn themselves to service.

 

[Wadders]

I hate the fact I can't get a gun here in the UK.

Guns are not alive. Do not add human qualities to them. i.e. being evil or killing people. They're a tool. A bloody drill can be used to kill someone. Should we make them illegal?

I like the aesthetics of guns. Smith & Wesson magnums are a piece of art as far as I'm concerned. I respect the engineering and design behind them and love the power.

Problem is I can't own one because my country is a *****.

It's done nothing for our crime levels.

I will not rest untill I have informed every member of this damn forum who is a Brit and wants a gun, that they can buy guns legally in the UK!

Guns have not been banned here!

Anyways, I will now leave this thread. Gun control debates/ arguments are a waste of time. Suffice to say that I like using guns, I own guns, but I think tight gun control is a good idea. Perhaps not as tight as we have in the UK, but it's there for a reason.

 

[JIst00]

OK so which is better? Only criminals having guns or criminals and every idiot having guns?

At the minute, criminals have guns and the police have guns, not all of them, but they have access to them if needed.

The less guns the better. Period.

 

[BenzSmoke]

Guns are a deterrent for crime. Would you go rob a house where you know they own a gun? Of course not. You'll go two houses down where you know they don't.

Gun laws really, in the end, only hurt honest citizens.

Think about it. Criminals break the law. If they want a gun, you better believe they'll find a way to get one.

The great thing about conceal carry laws is that a criminal now has no idea who may have a gun on their person.

What if the criminal has a gun?

OT: I personally think that only those that really need them should have access to guns.

 

[TheYellowCellPhone]

They exist as a life saver, a tool, a recreation, but in the wrong hands, a harmful tool. Of course, if someone gets a gun and goes on a killing spree, it's not the gun's fault, it was the person who shouldn't of had it in the first place.

 

[Wadders]

I hate the fact I can't get a gun here in the UK.

Guns are not alive. Do not add human qualities to them. i.e. being evil or killing people. They're a tool. A bloody drill can be used to kill someone. Should we make them illegal?

I like the aesthetics of guns. Smith & Wesson magnums are a piece of art as far as I'm concerned. I respect the engineering and design behind them and love the power.

Problem is I can't own one because my country is a *****.

It's done nothing for our crime levels.

I will not rest untill I have informed every member of this damn forum who is a Brit and wants a gun, that they can buy guns legally in the UK!

Guns have not been banned here!

Anyways, I will now leave this thread. Gun control debates/ arguments are a waste of time. Suffice to say that I like using guns, I own guns, but I think tight gun control is a good idea. Perhaps not as tight as we have in the UK, but it's there for a reason.

It would be nigh impossible for me to get a licence for a gun.

Not everyone is lucky enough to live on a farm or near a gun range.

As long as you have a gun safe or security cord to secure the gun, and are of sound mental health, there is no real reason why the Police should deny an application for a shotgun certificate as far as I'm aware.

Admittedly Firearms certificate (for rifles) are harder to obtain, and thats where the elitist side of UK gun law comes into play. It is (as you said) a lot easier for richer people or landowners to get a FAC that it is for commoners such as you or I. Shotguns shouldnt be a problem though

 

[Thedayrecker]

I hate the fact I can't get a gun here in the UK.

Guns are not alive. Do not add human qualities to them. i.e. being evil or killing people. They're a tool. A bloody drill can be used to kill someone. Should we make them illegal?

I like the aesthetics of guns. Smith & Wesson magnums are a piece of art as far as I'm concerned. I respect the engineering and design behind them and love the power.

Problem is I can't own one because my country is a *****.

It's done nothing for our crime levels.

Dosen't the UK have like 200 gun deaths a year, and the US has like 11,000? Seems like a big difference to me.

 

[Macgyvercas]

I love my guns, and I love the Second Amendment. As Charlton Heston once said, "I'll give up my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hands"

 

[willsham45]

Although if you US residents think your safe you are being disarmed...look at all the anti gun propaganda, a man in Texas i think his house was invaded by want he thought were one of the biggest toughest gangs in the area there is 20 of them, he and his family was threatened , the family were waiting for the police until they got too close he went and got his legally owned af45 and shot 3 warning shots into the ground. The Police that arrived soon after came cause of the gun shots detected by some special gismo the police had. After the issue was resolved the police saw his gun as an issue and even with all the proper info they still wanted to review the gun to insure it was legal.
And then numerous issues where people go on hunting trips neighbors see the guns squeel to the police and then proceed to confiscate the guns.
I am just saying look around you. You may think your safe just watch out when people try to take them.

 

[Sn1P3r M98]

When you take away guns, only criminals will have them. I'm a total gun nut, and my life would be empty without guns.

Spoiler: 2nd Amendment Baby!

 

[Terminate421]

If we get rid of guns, we're fucked, from both criminals, zombies, and aliens.

 

[open trap]

Im for guns, we have two in my house, i belive they are a .38 special and a 22 rifle, not sure about the last one it was my grampy's

 

[spartan231490]

studies have shown there is no real connection between gun control and violent crime rate. A couple of years ago, finland had one of the lowest crime rates in Europe adn it has some of the least gun control. I did a paper on this topic 2 years ago, don't remember much except that gun control isn't really shown to decrease crime rates. as a side note, as dathwampeer said, guns are meerly a tool, you can kill a man with a feather if you try hard enough, and with your bare hands surprisingly easily. as to thier being more gun deaths in the us than the uk, the us also has a higher population, and a higher suicide rate.

 

[Talshere]

I support the no guns policy of the UK. It prohibits the possession of ALL handguns, as the only reason for a hand gun is to point it at people. It prohibits the possession of automatic weapons, which again are only really designed to be pointed at people. The possession of rifles and shotguns is regulated for the use of game hunting and pest control.

It takes more balls to mug someone with a knife or your fists than it does with a gun.

The only thing I will say, each police force should have easier access to guns in an emergency. Otherwise you get situations like that idiot a few months back who drove around for an hour shooting at people with the police having no real means to stop him. But with only a shotgun and single shot rifle you can only do limited damage.

I dont believe this policy is valid for the US do to the prevalence of gun's and large swaths of uninhabited coast. It would be almost impossible to remove guna from the US at this point. As such its just safer to keep things as they are. Maybe tighter regulation. But thats all.

 

[Jack_Uzi]

I don't think any form of harm is good (unless self defence) but guns are a bit more of a 'humane' way to turn out the lights for someone than a stick with a spike trough it, for example. Here in Holland, luckally, guns are forbidden but sometimes gunfights do occure. But then again, most of the people gunned down here are probably scum themself.
If I was in a place where guns were mandatory to carry, I would try to get the hell out of there.

 

[octafish]

I have no problem with guns, my problem is with people who use them irresponsibly(is that a word?). People seem to forget that guns are a weapon, and i'm sick of hearing stories where a child has found daddies loaded gun and shot themselves in the head. There is no excuse for that. People need to be educated at least a little about guns if they want one, at least so they know how to maintain the things properly.

I'm lucky that where i live (Australia) anyone who wants a gun has to take a test to prove they are not completely brain-dead on the subject (One of the true of false questions was as follows. 'Is loading and firing a rifle and effective way of clearing a barrel that is blocked with mud?' Because people will try this sadly.)

Yes, I think Australia's laws are pretty sound, sporting shooters can still have guns but they have to be sensible about their use and storage. Also no semi-automatic rifles or shotguns, you just have to be a better hunter. One shot, one kill. It is the only thing Howard did that was decent, and even then he fucked it royally. In Australia you can still use a target pistol at a range, and there are special dispenations for collectors but really what do you need a handgun for anyway? Protection? From whom?

It's a matter of escalation, I know a guy who worked two jobs, as a rent-a-cop on armoured cars and as an orderly in a psychiatric hospital. He much prefered the hospital where he was spat on, bitten and had shit thrown at him over the armoured car job. Why? because he had to carry a pistol on the armoured car and if anyone wanted what was in the truck they would have guns and he was much more likely to be killed.

In Australia our convenience stores are robbed at knife point, and while it is no fun, you are much more likely to be accidentaly shot by a junkie than accidentaly stabbed or cut.

 

[Jedoro]

I hate the fact I can't get a gun here in the UK.

Guns are not alive. Do not add human qualities to them. i.e. being evil or killing people. They're a tool. A bloody drill can be used to kill someone. Should we make them illegal?

Shit, I could kill someone with a few feet of rope in a few seconds, if I got the jump on them, but rope's not going to be illegal anytime soon. People who want to kill, will, so those of us who don't feel like being victims should be allowed to defend ourselves, not have to wait for the police to come save us... or put a tag on our toe.

 

[Gilhelmi]

I hate the fact I can't get a gun here in the UK.

Guns are not alive. Do not add human qualities to them. i.e. being evil or killing people. They're a tool. A bloody drill can be used to kill someone. Should we make them illegal?

I like the aesthetics of guns. Smith & Wesson magnums are a piece of art as far as I'm concerned. I respect the engineering and design behind them and love the power.

Problem is I can't own one because my country is a *****.

It's done nothing for our crime levels.

Dosen't the UK have like 200 gun deaths a year, and the US has like 11,000? Seems like a big difference to me.

Stats
Population of Great Britain
61,414,062 - 2008
Source: World Bank, World Development Indicators
Disclaimer
www.google.com/publicdata

Population of USA
307,006,550 - Jul 2009
Source: U.S. Census Bureau, Population Division
Disclaimer
www.google.com/publicdata

307,006,550 divided by 11,000 = 27,910 to one odds of being in a gun related death in the US
61,414,062 divided by 200 = 307,070 to one odds of being in a gun related death in Britain

300,000 divided by 28,000 (rounded, sue me) is about 10.7 times greater to be in a gun related death then in the US than the UK. BUT if we factor in crime related death (not just gun crime) we get(sorry I need to get to bed so I will just link to an article from a news sight, it is gallup so I trust them. I know not crime related deaths but I will do more investigating tomorrow)
http://www.gallup.com/poll/21346/crime-rate-lower-united-states-canada-than-britain.aspx

Admittedly, the difference is not that much higher in Britain, but anti-gun laws would not reduce violent crime in either country. Read the stats it is a bit interesting that violent crime is about the same in all three countries (25%-Britain, 21%-Canada, 21%- America).

I do like to do the math but I need to bed down.

I am still in favor of having my Smith&Wesson 1911PD 8+1 on my hip (I live in Kansas and have my Conceal Carry Handgun Permit). So yes, I like being able to own a weapon, it makes me safer.

 

[Gilhelmi]

I support the no guns policy of the UK. It prohibits the possession of ALL handguns, as the only reason for a hand gun is to point it at people. It prohibits the possession of automatic weapons, which again are only really designed to be pointed at people. The possession of rifles and shotguns is regulated for the use of game hunting and pest control.

It takes more balls to mug someone with a knife or your fists than it does with a gun.

The only thing I will say, each police force should have easier access to guns in an emergency. Otherwise you get situations like that idiot a few months back who drove around for an hour shooting at people with the police having no real means to stop him. But with only a shotgun and single shot rifle you can only do limited damage.

I dont believe this policy is valid for the US do to the prevalence of gun's and large swaths of uninhabited coast. It would be almost impossible to remove guna from the US at this point. As such its just safer to keep things as they are. Maybe tighter regulation. But thats all.

That does make good sense. Thank you

 

[Gilhelmi]

I love my guns, and I love the Second Amendment. As Charlton Heston once said, "I'll give up my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hands"

When you take away guns, only criminals will have them. I'm a total gun nut, and my life would be empty without guns.

Spoiler: 2nd Amendment Baby!

I like NRA (National Rifle Association) supporters. We should start a group here on the Escapist for us Gun Nuts.