Hacker Group Gives Video Tour of PS3 Security System

[Piflik]

Why cant these people just use the console for what it was ment to be used for?

In the end, all hackers no matter what conspire to use their hacks serving their on purpose in a matter not intended by the ones who made the product in the first place.

So i say, sue their asses broke!

If the creator of a product is given absolute control over how the product is used, and circumventing that control is made illegal, then the next thing you know putting tires made by, say, a Toyota daughter company on a Mercedes or replacing your car's speakers with different ones will land you in jail if the manufacturer finds out and feels like suing someone. Is that really how you want the world to work?

The difference between, say, a car and a machine that runs software is that just about everyone can download some programs from the internet on this machine, while not many people can create custom tires for their cars. There are manufacturers that can do that, but they can be controlled, while the distribution of software over the net cannot.

 

[frago roc]

Some of the most brilliant hacker minds and they cant figure out how to adjust the volume of a video before uploading to youtube XD

 

[wooty]

4 years to break the PS3?

Sony still did well with the security I guess, at least it took people that long to hack the PS3, compared to the 3 years and 364 days less it too to hack the Pentagon.

 

[FloodOne]

Very interesting, I wish companies would see that a lot of "hackers" aren't interested in piracy, personally I'd love to be able to run my own code on my 360, there are a lot of little things I'd love to be able to program in.

Example, the ability to browse and view the ABC.net.au iView feature from my 360, that's something I'd spend time coding myself.

But oh no, the big bad pirates are out to get them... so I've either got access to Xbox Live or I can hack my 360, Live is worth enough to me that I don't hack it, but it still sucks I've got to make that choice.

I think you have confused yourself. A lot of "hackers" want free shit. A few of them want to run their own code.

 

[Sabiancym]

I never got the point of hacking the PS3 for any reason other than playing pirated games. What exactly are they doing with homebrew that can't be done with a regular pc?

The only useful reason to hack them is to run pirated games...

 

[technoted]

So they're making it so you can't play some of the games just so that they can once again run Linux on the PS3, surely that's just a little bit pointless seeing as it's just better to run Linux off of a PC in the first place rather than a PS3?

 

[tkioz]

Very interesting, I wish companies would see that a lot of "hackers" aren't interested in piracy, personally I'd love to be able to run my own code on my 360, there are a lot of little things I'd love to be able to program in.

Example, the ability to browse and view the ABC.net.au iView feature from my 360, that's something I'd spend time coding myself.

But oh no, the big bad pirates are out to get them... so I've either got access to Xbox Live or I can hack my 360, Live is worth enough to me that I don't hack it, but it still sucks I've got to make that choice.

I think you have confused yourself. A lot of "hackers" want free shit. A few of them want to run their own code.

That's the problem with the term; my father is a "hacker" and he barely knows how to turn a computer on and get on facebook! He spends his weekends taking apart cars and rebuilding them. It use to be the term "cracker" was someone who was trying to break into something in order to as you say, get some free shit, a hacker was someone who took apart a device to see if they could either improve it or adapt it to another purpose.

I'm the second type, I love taking stuff apart, seeing how it works, and sometimes finding a better or different way to use it. I love writing my own code, even if there are already programs out there that do 90% of what I want, I find immense satisfaction in my own custom built applications that do exactly what I want and nothing more (that's key, I hate programs that do less what I need, and even more I hate programs that do more at the expense of system performance), I love tinkering with stuff.

The problem is it's getting to the point where buying something like an Xbox or iPhone or the like means you can only use it for what the manufactures want you to use it for, frankly if I've dropped cash on something I own it and I'll do what I damn well please with it so long as it breaks no laws.

Most pirates wouldn't know how to "hack" a it of a toast, let alone a complex device like a 360 or a PS3.

 

[tkioz]

So they're making it so you can't play some of the games just so that they can once again run Linux on the PS3, surely that's just a little bit pointless seeing as it's just better to run Linux off of a PC in the first place rather than a PS3?

Well the PS3 is a fairly powerful little bit of kit, and it's cheap for what you get hardware wise, and a lot smaller, then a comparable PC, personally I hate using Linux, so meh, but I can see the appeal.

I never got the point of hacking the PS3 for any reason other than playing pirated games. What exactly are they doing with homebrew that can't be done with a regular pc?

The only useful reason to hack them is to run pirated games...

Example, ABC.net.au runs a service called iView, it's got pretty much every show aired on that network for the last several weeks free to view, the problem is you need a computer to watch them. The 360 has the hardware to easily allow for the streaming of these programs, and hell I hate having extra devices cluttering up my living wrong, so if it wouldn't cost me the ability to access Xbox Live I might hack my 360 just so I could write a custom application just to let me watch those shows.

There are dozens and dozens of little applications I could think of writing for my 360, a far more that other people might want to write.

Just because you can't see a reason to do it, doesn't mean there isn't one.

 

[Sabiancym]

So they're making it so you can't play some of the games just so that they can once again run Linux on the PS3, surely that's just a little bit pointless seeing as it's just better to run Linux off of a PC in the first place rather than a PS3?

Well the PS3 is a fairly powerful little bit of kit, and it's cheap for what you get hardware wise, and a lot smaller, then a comparable PC, personally I hate using Linux, so meh, but I can see the appeal.

I never got the point of hacking the PS3 for any reason other than playing pirated games. What exactly are they doing with homebrew that can't be done with a regular pc?

The only useful reason to hack them is to run pirated games...

Example, ABC.net.au runs a service called iView, it's got pretty much every show aired on that network for the last several weeks free to view, the problem is you need a computer to watch them. The 360 has the hardware to easily allow for the streaming of these programs, and hell I hate having extra devices cluttering up my living wrong, so if it wouldn't cost me the ability to access Xbox Live I might hack my 360 just so I could write a custom application just to let me watch those shows.

There are dozens and dozens of little applications I could think of writing for my 360, a far more that other people might want to write.

Just because you can't see a reason to do it, doesn't mean there isn't one.

I didn't say there wasn't a point. I said it does nothing that a cheap laptop couldn't do. Which is ironic considering the people who would be able to apply this hack are most likely going to have a laptop.


The whole "We don't do this for piracy" claim is BS. They know what they're doing is going to lead to piracy. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean they're completely harmless.

If these groups advance far enough and make it easy enough where even the most ignorant user could apply it's cracks, it'll hurt the gaming market. I understand hacking and have done it before on phones and old hardware, but doing something that undermines the entire market will only hurt gamers in the end. Less revenue = less innovation.

 

[icame]

As long as their not doing it to pirate the games I'm all for it.

 

[Monshroud]

Really interesting video there. I was amazed by the security flaws Sony has in their system that was supposed to be "hack-proof", and a bunch of them were circumvented by their poor coding.

 

[tautologico]

I guarantee such a hack will still ultimately get you banned from PSN, which begs the question: If you want Linux more than PSN access, first of all why do you have a PS3 and why did you update to begin with?

This man has the point nailed. Ive always seen the whole "linux on " a bit pointless. At first its, "Oh, yeah, thats kinda neat..." and I applaud the engineers who took the time to discover how to do it but for the people who do it after that purely just because they can, well, thats pretty daft.

If you really want to play with Linux, put it on a PC - you can pick up an old desktop for a fraction of the cost of a PS3 and not risk ruining an expensive console!

Why cant these people just use the console for what it was ment to be used for?

In the end, all hackers no matter what conspire to use their hacks serving their on purpose in a matter not intended by the ones who made the product in the first place.

So i say, sue their asses broke!

It's a pretty powerful parallel computer, with an interesting architecture, for a reasonable price. It could be used in many applications by scientists and researchers. I for one would like to test some things on a PS3 if possible. Unfortunately, with Sony officially removing the option to run custom software on it, it's hard to justify buying PS3s for a research project (and this is not "research" in quotes; if I want a PS3 to play games I'll buy it).

 

[tautologico]

I didn't say there wasn't a point. I said it does nothing that a cheap laptop couldn't do. Which is ironic considering the people who would be able to apply this hack are most likely going to have a laptop.

Actually, there is a lot the PS3 (as a computer) can do that a cheap laptop can't. As I said, a lot of people have research interests on it. It's a parallel computer with an interesting architecture, at a good price.

The whole "We don't do this for piracy" claim is BS. They know what they're doing is going to lead to piracy. Just because they don't do it doesn't mean they're completely harmless.

If these groups advance far enough and make it easy enough where even the most ignorant user could apply it's cracks, it'll hurt the gaming market. I understand hacking and have done it before on phones and old hardware, but doing something that undermines the entire market will only hurt gamers in the end. Less revenue = less innovation.

There already is a jailbreak for the PS3. It's not BS, there are people interested in the hardware for other purposes.

 

[Modus Operandi]

The difference between, say, a car and a machine that runs software is that just about everyone can download some programs from the internet on this machine, while not many people can create custom tires for their cars. There are manufacturers that can do that, but they can be controlled, while the distribution of software over the net cannot.

What exactly do you mean by "can be controlled"? Mercedes has no power over other companies making tires for their cars. Any chop shop can install any cheap Chinese knock-off tires, radios, speakers, windshields or what have you, and nobody can do anything because there's nothing wrong or illegal about that.

But it's a technicality anyway. The central question is about the basic principle of owning something. How do you define whether you own something or not? The only difference between owning and borrowing is having power and control over the thing. If there is anything at all that you are not allowed to do to an object you paid for, any talk of ownership is a delusion, the metaphorical pink fluff on the handcuffs. You are only renting your "purchase". It might be an incredibly cheap rental (single payment for unlimited usage, including re-sell rights, as long as the object doesn't break is a great deal by any rental standard), but it's still rental.

If the manufacturer can sue you for doing something which you bought, it means he still owns it and you only paid to use it. If that is how you thing trading should work, then I disagree with you, but it's a consistent opinion which I respect. But if you keep differentiating between what appliances should be legally OK to take apart and what shouldn't, based on how difficult it seems to you, that's just subjective and borderline hypocritical, not to mention an extremely slippery slope.

 

[Corpse XxX]

I guarantee such a hack will still ultimately get you banned from PSN, which begs the question: If you want Linux more than PSN access, first of all why do you have a PS3 and why did you update to begin with?

This man has the point nailed. Ive always seen the whole "linux on " a bit pointless. At first its, "Oh, yeah, thats kinda neat..." and I applaud the engineers who took the time to discover how to do it but for the people who do it after that purely just because they can, well, thats pretty daft.

If you really want to play with Linux, put it on a PC - you can pick up an old desktop for a fraction of the cost of a PS3 and not risk ruining an expensive console!

Why cant these people just use the console for what it was ment to be used for?

In the end, all hackers no matter what conspire to use their hacks serving their on purpose in a matter not intended by the ones who made the product in the first place.

So i say, sue their asses broke!

It's a pretty powerful parallel computer, with an interesting architecture, for a reasonable price. It could be used in many applications by scientists and researchers. I for one would like to test some things on a PS3 if possible. Unfortunately, with Sony officially removing the option to run custom software on it, it's hard to justify buying PS3s for a research project (and this is not "research" in quotes; if I want a PS3 to play games I'll buy it).

Yeah, but i guess if used for scientific reasons they could probably come to an agreement with Sony having special edition open ps3's if they wanted..
Not that im sure of this but it does not sound impossible..

 

[Corpse XxX]

Why cant these people just use the console for what it was ment to be used for?

In the end, all hackers no matter what conspire to use their hacks serving their on purpose in a matter not intended by the ones who made the product in the first place.

So i say, sue their asses broke!

If the creator of a product is given absolute control over how the product is used, and circumventing that control is made illegal, then the next thing you know putting tires made by, say, a Toyota daughter company on a Mercedes or replacing your car's speakers with different ones will land you in jail if the manufacturer finds out and feels like suing someone. Is that really how you want the world to work?

The difference between, say, a car and a machine that runs software is that just about everyone can download some programs from the internet on this machine, while not many people can create custom tires for their cars. There are manufacturers that can do that, but they can be controlled, while the distribution of software over the net cannot.

Yeah, i was gonna quote and answer this exact same thing.. But now i dont have to.

Just for the record, the car/console comparison was quite bad and off target imo.

 

[tautologico]

Yeah, but i guess if used for scientific reasons they could probably come to an agreement with Sony having special edition open ps3's if they wanted..
Not that im sure of this but it does not sound impossible..

I think you can't begin to imagine the bureaucratic mess that would be necessary for a single university or research lab to even try to get an agreement with Sony. And this assuming Sony would be interested in that, which I doubt, simply because they'd have to allocate resources to the task.

You know the original PS3s had the option to install other software on them, right? Some research groups bought PS3s because of that. Some of these groups are suing Sony for having removed the option.

It is much much more practical for any research group to buy PS3s which have the option to run custom software, than to try and get an special agreement with Sony. It is quite probable that many research groups decided against getting PS3s as equipment after Sony removed the other OS option.

 

[Keith Fyans]

I would be happy if someone could hack the PS3 to play DVD's from different regions and give it a way of organising/playing music that wasn't lame.

 

[mjc0961]

Hurray for honest hackers who just want to play with the system's power and not do it just to get free games.

Also, I really have to laugh at Sony now. I knew a lot of people never tried to crack the PS3 because of Linux, but I didn't know that it would be so easy to crack if someone had wanted to. So much for that great security they supposedly had. By the way, how's that foot you shot doing, Sony? Still painful? I'd wager that it is. You removed Install Other OS support because that one guy said that he could kinda maybe crack the PS3 with it given quite a bit more time, so you rush in and take it out thinking you'll be safe. But what you really did was say "No no no, that's the hard way. Let us show you the easy way to crack it." Should've left well enough alone. Of course, it's easy to tell what you should've done so eh.