Half life 2 plot hole

[Wayne Insane]

I believe they're different suits. The one used in HL1 is the Mark IV; my memory is fuzzy but I believe the one in Kleiner's lab is a Mark VI (I think it's written on a clipboard near his desk)..

He's complrtely right.They're just two different suits of the same kind

 

[MrNades]

There is only one reasonable answer... Kleiner is secretly G-Man.

But really I just started playing it (finally) and some people did say something about the water wiping memories, so maybe G-Man gave him some and Kleiner found the suit. That's the best I can come up with.

 

[Thediscoducky]

Sylcne, you clearly forget that at the end of Half-life, G-Man makes a deal with Gordon to save him whereas upon the near future he might be called upon again. He had very little choice.

 

[Xaositect]

Here is another one that I was actually discussing with someone else from the office yesterday, what's Gordan's motivation for doing anything that he does in Half Life 2? Half Life had a pretty clear goal, get the hell out of Dodge, but Half Life 2 you just show up and start helping with very little reason to do so. G-Man drops you in a train and I guess if you suddenly appeared on a train and didn't have anything else to do...

I think youre confusing Half Life with Blue Shift. In Blue Shift the objective is to let the other fools fight a hopeless battle, with you and a handful of other scientists just wanting to get out. In Half Life the objective is established eventually (after trying to find "help" on the surface) to get to the Lambda team. Once youre there, it unfortunately turns into stopping the Nihilanth "or there wont be much to come back to".

I personally believe Gordons main reason in HL2 (besides having no choice what with the combine after him not matter his decision to help or not) is Alyx and his other old friends.

 

[Meado]

It can be explained away easily. G-Man leaves it somewhere in Black Mesa. Kleiner finds it and takes it. Done.

 

[Daveman]

Here is another one that I was actually discussing with someone else from the office yesterday, what's Gordan's motivation for doing anything that he does in Half Life 2? Half Life had a pretty clear goal, get the hell out of Dodge, but Half Life 2 you just show up and start helping with very little reason to do so. G-Man drops you in a train and I guess if you suddenly appeared on a train and didn't have anything else to do...

There's the fact you're being hunted down by people with guns. I mean the first half of the game is just escaping really so it's mostly for his benefit.

 

[sethisjimmy]

I have a better question.

Where the heck is his helmet?

Also: How are you supposed to have a HUD without a helmet. It's not just in game too because the tracker for finding the car is installed into his suit and the characters actually talk about it...

 

[stratta one]

This takes a whole different path... if kleiner had the HEV suit to begin with, and gave it to freeman who wore it to stasis and woke up 20 years later with it gone only to show up at kleiners house...

Ive got it.
Kleiner IS Gman

 

[Nargleblarg]

Please I have even better plot holes like why is barney alive after I saw him die about ehhh 37 times. And where the hell did magnus come from out of a hole.

 

[blank0000]

It's his suit in hl2 a NEW version? Thats why theirs that little thing about "The new mark 3 suit is capable of.." right?

 

[ThatsBitch3n]

Maybe there was tons of Hazard Suits left from BM.

HAHA bm...

I might regret asking but...Why is it so funny?

BM=Bowel Movement=Pooping. any questions?

I think it did its job.

Ah. Well...that was quite an obscure reference.

 

[War Chief Will]

I say the G-Man is a combine hive mind in dusguise of a human or somthing like that and is using gordon freeman to achieve a much greater goal other than the domanation of Earth.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Just repeat to yourself it's just a game, you should really just relax.

"For Mystery Science Half-Life 3000...." *guitar strum*

Anyway. The G-Man is a pretty sharp cookie; he seems to have things figured out in advance, which means he's either extraordinarily intelligent or has some sort of prescient ability (given his seemingly casual pausing of time to have a "heart-to-heart", I think it's the latter). Therefore, he would know that Gordon would need his HEV suit in his battle against the Combine, but simply leaving it on him would leave Gordon ill-prepared for the advanced threats he faces, so... he simply leaves the suit somewhere where one Issac Kleiner, PhD., is likely to find it. Kleiner, being the sentimental sort that he is (he has a crayon drawing from Alyx on his poster board), repairs and retrofits the suit, either for his own (or Barney's) use or simply as a keepsake from Black Mesa. When our favorite rogue physicist shows up, Izzy realizes that it'll be far more valuable in Gordon's use and gives it over to him. Cue metric buttloads of gunfire and one destroyed Citadel.

Also, remember that the Hazardous EnVironment suit- while meant primarily for scientific work- was an offshoot of a government warfare contract, the same one that made possible the PCV used in Opposing Force. It's not surprising that combat-capable functions were left in its design and then enhanced by Kleiner while Gordon was off in dreamland.

 

[Uber Evil]

I agree with the folks positing that the G-Man put the suit somewhere where Dr. Kleiner could and would recover it (perhaps even influencing Kleiner to do it). This brings up an entirely seperate and seldom-discussed point, however:

Clearly, the G-Man is intended to be the agent of ex machina within the narrative: after all, the whole 'psychedelic tram through netherspace' final speech in HL indicates that the G-Man probably isn't really attached to 'the Government'; at least not what we think of when we say 'the Government', anyway. So who is the G-Man and, perhaps more importantly, who does he work for?

Along those lines, I didn't have a problem for why Gordon was doing the things he was doing in HL2. You're an employee of the G-Man. You have to figure you were awakened to do something. What is there to be done? Fight with the Resistance, or fight against them are about your only two options. (I doubt very seriously you were hauled out of 'sleep' to spend your time making bootleg liquor and smoking home-grown, as much as you may need a vacation.) Since, a) your friends are a part of the Resistance, and b) you were killing aliens before for the G-Man...

Throw on top of that the fact that the G-Man inserted you right where you would encounter Barney and be dragged into the middle of the Resistance, I thought it made perfect sense.

I personally think you were supposed to help destroy the combine, because you couldn't do it in the first one, and at the time of the second one (plus episodes) the resistance was just becoming able to defeat the combine. Also, Breen, who I thought was in cahoots with Gman, may have hired you as a way to let him die so he didn't have to help the Combine, without him actually committing suicide. This is something that they should really explain in the final game. It is a very small yet intriguing piece of the puzzle.

 

[TheTygerfire]

The ohter night i was struck by a small and unimportant plot hole in half life 2, that i could not come up with a feasable explanation for, and here it is.
How does doctor Kleiner obtain your old hazard suit?
When the G-man takes you into stasis I assume your HEV suit comes too, so why Kleiner have it? I did initally explain this away by thinking that its a different suit, but how common would they be after the combine invasion, and Kleiner says "I see your suit still fits you like a glove, at least the glove parts do", suggesting that it is the same suit as before.

Your veiw?

That's not really a plot hole at all, it's just a suit. Who cares how it got there? Other than giving Gordon more protection it really doesn't matter.

 

[johnman]

The ohter night i was struck by a small and unimportant plot hole in half life 2, that i could not come up with a feasable explanation for, and here it is.
How does doctor Kleiner obtain your old hazard suit?
When the G-man takes you into stasis I assume your HEV suit comes too, so why Kleiner have it? I did initally explain this away by thinking that its a different suit, but how common would they be after the combine invasion, and Kleiner says "I see your suit still fits you like a glove, at least the glove parts do", suggesting that it is the same suit as before.

Your veiw?

That's not really a plot hole at all, it's just a suit. Who cares how it got there? Other than giving Gordon more protection it really doesn't matter.

Plot hole is the wrong word, but it does raise an interesting question, Does Kleiner know about the G-man?

 

[Daye.04]

Spoiler: Half Life 2 & Episodes spoiler. Do not click if you have not played them

Also an interesting reoccuring theme is that after a character reveals they know about the G-Man to Gordon, they die. Seriously, Doctor Breen gets killed only after he tells you that line that says "Your services were open to the highest bidder", which is clearly referencing he knew of the whole bit with the G-Man, and Eli Vance dies after he tells you he knows about the G-Man as well. I don't think these are coincidences either. The G-Man clearly doesn't want anyone to know he's there, instigating the situation. Maybe it's because both Doctor Breen and Eli have already fulfilled their purpose for the G-Man, and will be of no more use to him. Doctor Breen Gave the Combine control of earth, and Eli Vance started the resistance while Gordon was in stasis. And it seems clear to me that Alyx will die to, or maybe she will get put into stasis as well. I don't know. But regardless, it seems clear to me that the G-Man doesn't want anyone to know about him.

Spoiler: Half Life 2 and Episodes spoiler. Do not click if you have not played them

That doesn't make sense to me. I mean Eli knew about G-Man in the first one. How come he weren't killed before episode 2 then?