Half-Life Speedrun Sets Amazing New Record

[UNHchabo]

The ladder is on the other side of the area down there, watch the explanation video and skip to that part and they say that they used the jumpbug for it

Ah, ok, it went by so fast that I didn't even notice that's not what happened.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

It'd be more impressive if they didn't use cheats.

Scripting is not considered cheating. It just puts the run in a different category. Real cheating is never allowed in speed runs.

And i actually think that the scripting makes i more impressive, because it speeds the gameplay up so much that it requires extreme precision, skill and knowledge to pull off some of the stuff they do at the pace they're moving at several times.

To me it's like winning a duel by giving the other guy an unloaded gun. Sure, you "won", but you did it in your own terms rather than the challenge's.

 

[Andy Chalk]

I had no idea that people take speedruns so seriously.

 

[Use_Imagination_here]

Are you kidding me? Exactly how much manipulation is permissible in a "speed-run" before it stops being considered a "legit" play-through of the game?

What on earth made you think this was intended as a "legit play through of the game"??? It very clearly isn't.

Depending on the type of speed running, literally everything is allowed. Everything, except altering the game code.

If you don't find that interesting that's your business, but don't start whining that's it isn't something it was absolutely never intended to be.

 

[Use_Imagination_here]

Is this one of those bullshit speedruns where the player just glitches the game?

*checks*

Ayup.

Hint: The entire idea behind a speedrun is to see how far you can push the boundaries of a game.

Although a speedrun like this is gonna end up in a seperate category because it uses scripting (keybinding), using map and game glitches is not bullshit and is, in fact, the entire idea.

It'd be more impressive if they didn't use cheats.

There are dozens of videos for that.

This is a different category.

 

[Sunrider]

Cue another slew of moronic comments about how it "doesn't count", when they don't know the first thing about speedrunning.

 

[JazzJack2]

It's 2014 and people are still complaining about segmented runs or bunnyhop scripts, I mean really?

 

[Roxas1359]

I had no idea that people take speedruns so seriously.

You should see the other two stories about speed runs and how there were people complaining that it wasn't "in the spirit of the game" and how it shouldn't count, etc etc.

 

[Vivi22]

Am I the only one who thinks a "speedrun" should mean the time it takes to beat a game in one sitting? Glitches are also a grey area since you're not playing the game legitimately.

There are different classifications of speed run based on whether tools are used or it's done in segments.

But the idea glitches are questionable or that there's a legitimate way to play a single player game is little more than some bullshit, made up honour code people seem to have so they can feel good about themselves when they do things "the right way."

 

[Vivi22]

To me it's like winning a duel by giving the other guy an unloaded gun. Sure, you "won", but you did it in your own terms rather than the challenge's.

Ah the old honour code argument. It's bullshit of course. If you want to watch speed runs that cater to whatever rules you make up in your head then feel free. They do exist. But the implication that these guys did something wrong by not following your rules despite displaying an impressive level of skill and talent in pulling this off is silly.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

To me it's like winning a duel by giving the other guy an unloaded gun. Sure, you "won", but you did it in your own terms rather than the challenge's.

Ah the old honour code argument. It's bullshit of course. If you want to watch speed runs that cater to whatever rules you make up in your head then feel free. They do exist. But the implication that these guys did something wrong by not following your rules despite displaying an impressive level of skill and talent in pulling this off is silly.

They're not "my" rules, they're not "in my head". They're the game's rules. I think beating them is more impressive than going behind the machine and fixing the run.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Cue another slew of moronic comments about how it "doesn't count", when they don't know the first thing about speedrunning.

Cue a second slew of people with a different opinion. My god, isn't this bold.

 

[Glaice]

I'm not impressed. Abusing or glitching one's way through the game just doesn't seem right, from my perspective. If it's legitimate without any funky scripting or glitching, then I will be impressed.

 

[UNHchabo]

I'm not impressed. Abusing or glitching one's way through the game just doesn't seem right, from my perspective. If it's legitimate without any funky scripting or glitching, then I will be impressed.

Maybe you'd enjoy the other categories of speedrun better, like the ones I posted earlier?

Spoiler: Half-Life Single Segment in 32:55

Spoiler: Half-Life single-segment (no scripts/hard) in 36:58

The way I see it, multi-segment runs are training for single-segment runs. Still impressive, and they show you what's possible, just don't try to compare the two apples-to-apples.

 

[Sunrider]

Cue another slew of moronic comments about how it "doesn't count", when they don't know the first thing about speedrunning.

Cue a second slew of people with a different opinion. My god, isn't this bold.

It's not about opinions, it's about knowledge. Our opinions have no bearing on what counts in an established community with many different categories. Just watch your favorite category instead of complaining about the ones you don't care about.

 

[Ympulse]

I encourage all of you extolling upon the "spirit of the game" to give this article a read, it exemplifies the difference between Speedrunners and casual players;

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html

 

[Malkav]

That end part almost makes me want to rewatch the entire thing in 3rd person mode, or better yet, from enemy POVs. Half the time, they'll just see some orange lightning blowing itself past them with grenades.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Cue another slew of moronic comments about how it "doesn't count", when they don't know the first thing about speedrunning.

Cue a second slew of people with a different opinion. My god, isn't this bold.

It's not about opinions, it's about knowledge. Our opinions have no bearing on what counts in an established community with many different categories. Just watch your favorite category instead of complaining about the ones you don't care about.

That's a very polite way of saying "mind of your business" but no thank you, how about I watch anything I want and still have an opinion. And if you feel as if it's not worth addressing, then feel free not to. I maintain that rigging the game isn't as impressive as beating it un-aided. That's AN opinion, no truer than yours or the next guy's.

 

[uknownada]

"I seem to be wounded, but I can keep goi-" *explodes*

 

[Sunrider]

That's a very polite way of saying "mind of your business" but no thank you, how about I watch anything I want and still have an opinion. And if you feel as if it's not worth addressing, then feel free not to. I maintain that rigging the game isn't as impressive as beating it un-aided. That's AN opinion, no truer than yours or the next guy's.

You misconstrue my point. I never said that you can't like or dislike what you want, I'm saying that what counts as a speedrun and under what circumstances is out of our hands, opinions or not.

I do, however, think people are being silly when saying that it's not impressive (or as you said, less iompressive). Many glitched speedruns take far more skill in terms of execution than playing the game "legit", as you put it, and is a testament to a lack of knowledge, as stated in my original post. That, however, is just an opinion. Do with it what you will.