Halo 4 gets a 2/10...

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PatrickXD

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The reviewer was left with a bad taste in his mouth after expecting to see an awesome game. Maybe if he was reviewing this game having never played a Halo game before he would rate it more highly, but he's not. As it stands he doesn't like this game at all. So he gave it the lowest score he could because that's his opinion. Reviews are people's own opinions of a game. If you don't want to know this person's opinion, why read the review?
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
freaper said:
Yep, you correctly pinned my personality to your imaginary dartboard.
I guess I couldn't give less of a **** about what some dude thinks about some topic on the internet. Wait, no. That's not true. I stopped having that attitude in my teens.

PS - All I will ever have of your personality is what you present of it.
That is true, and while my "uninvolved" attitude might irritate you, I'll only really care if I can shake your hand in person.

Yes, we're all people talking here, but the fact that I don't get any visual feedback from you or anyone else detracts a lot from all but the most basic discussions. That's just how I feel about the internet in it's entirety right now. I can't imagine how you could honestly care about what everyone tells you, trolls and whatnot included. The simple fact that you assumed my first comment was mean spirited kinda shows what I'm trying to get at. Language is only a medium for communicating as long as we assume both parties are willing to.
 

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freaper said:
That is true, and while my "uninvolved" attitude might irritate you, I'll only really care if I can shake your hand in person.

Yes, we're all people talking here, but the fact that I don't get any visual feedback from you or anyone else detracts a lot from all but the most basic discussions. That's just how I feel about the internet in it's entirety right now. I can't imagine how you could honestly care about what everyone tells you, trolls and whatnot included. The simple fact that you assumed my first comment was mean spirited kinda shows what I'm trying to get at. Language is only a medium for communicating as long as we assume both parties are willing to.
Well, I don't think you're uninvolved, really, or you wouldn't be reading and commenting on the subject in the first place. It's empty bravado, the remark of "I don't care what YOU think". The fact you go out of your way to indicate how much you don't care what they think is revelatory of a degree of emotional investment.

And really, it's okay to care about things. There's obviously a huge degree of separation between letting the opinions of others control your life, and acknowledging and taking an interest in the opinions of others. Of course I care what people think. I'm curious about their perspectives, I'm interested in learning about opposing points of view. It's intellectually healthy.

I've discussed this elsewhere, in connection to different (and often far more serious) subjects, this prevailing modern attitude of "I don't care what anyone thinks! Nyah!". I find it incredibly destructive.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
freaper said:
That is true, and while my "uninvolved" attitude might irritate you, I'll only really care if I can shake your hand in person.

Yes, we're all people talking here, but the fact that I don't get any visual feedback from you or anyone else detracts a lot from all but the most basic discussions. That's just how I feel about the internet in it's entirety right now. I can't imagine how you could honestly care about what everyone tells you, trolls and whatnot included. The simple fact that you assumed my first comment was mean spirited kinda shows what I'm trying to get at. Language is only a medium for communicating as long as we assume both parties are willing to.
Well, I don't think you're uninvolved, really, or you wouldn't be reading and commenting on the subject in the first place. It's empty bravado, the remark of "I don't care what YOU think". The fact you go out of your way to indicate how much you don't care what they think is revelatory of a degree of emotional investment.

And really, it's okay to care about things. There's obviously a huge degree of separation between letting the opinions of others control your life, and acknowledging and taking an interest in the opinions of others. Of course I care what people think. I'm curious about their perspectives, I'm interested in learning about opposing points of view. It's intellectually healthy.

I've discussed this elsewhere, in connection to different (and often far more serious) subjects, this prevailing modern attitude of "I don't care what anyone thinks! Nyah!". I find it incredibly destructive.
I can't disagree with you, after all, we're just picking up the scattered pieces of our own jigsaw, and if someone, even if he or she lives miles and miles away from your own life, can contribute a piece of that puzzle, I do believe we become richer individuals.

Like you're saying, I am more invested in this conversation than I was in reading the review this thread was originally about. I hope that at least shows in the length and articulation of my reply. I do care about someone's opinion of a game as long as the reasoning behind is sound and the criticism isn't so venomous it turns me away from it (though honestly I haven't read the guy's review, so I'm just talking out of my arse here).

If anything I'll be less cynical about other members of forum boards in the future.
 

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I dislike the Halo Series, but it'd have to be broken before I would give it a 4. I see review scores like Test Scores. 50 or 5/10 or 2.5/5 stars etc is a Minimal Pass. It works, but that's about it.

A 2 couldn't be more blatantly a call for attention if you set up your own stage and spotlights.
 

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Man, that "A.I. Lifespan" criticism really bothers me. Does no-one remember Marathon? You know, that one series of shooters that Bungie developed for apple computers back in the day that had a plot dealing entirely with A.I. becoming rampant towards the end of their lifespan? The series that Halo was designed from the very beginning to be a prequel to? This stuff's been foreshadowed since before Combat Evolved even existed.
 

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Itsthefuzz said:
Based on your generic "Haha I can use sarcasm" post, I'm going to bet you just read the title of this thread and didn't actually read what the post was about. He isn't complaining that someone gave the game a bad score, he's pointing out that it's probably just for publicity and the review itself makes no sense.
Well, if you put it like that...

Maybe
 

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Dude is just an amateur. He doesn't know to review a title objectively.
He's probably a hype-hater.

(personal preference can't be taken out of the equation entirely, but it can be tempered)
 

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AzrealMaximillion said:
snowbear said:
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snowbear said:
People are still harping on about this shessssh

Guy didn't like it and rated it accordingly END OF

Now go play some halo and have some fun dammit!!

Captcha: which one is math? (I find this an unanswerable question as maths is spelt incorrectly, I will therefore answer with chocolate pudding!)
So the guy can criticize the game but no one can criticize his review? Kind of ass backwards thinking, don't you think?

Not even a Halo fan but 2/10 is a troll rating, and it'll be called as such.
Criticise as much as you like it doesn't make him any more wrong or right, it's his opinion and it's just as valid as yours. Which in my opinion makes bashing the guy repeatedly utterly pointless. But hey it's my opinion ;)

Anyway

Back to halo :p
Opinions can be wrong. They can also be ignorant. And judging by the review itself, the author didn't really give much of a reason as to why he rated the game so low other than, "I've done this before."

He starts the review off with the title that says "Halo 4 is half the game it should be" and then doesn't go into what half of the game was missing. He instead whines about not being able to shoot the gun mounted on the Mammoth. I don't know about you, but complaining for two paragraphs about not being able to shoot a gun in the beginning of a game seems petty.

He also had a little cryfest about the replacement of Firefight mode. He then doesn't even describe in any detail what he doesn't like about Spartan Ops, the aforementioned replacement.

It was more whining and less actual review of the game, and that's what has people calling this reviewer out.

So yeah, I think his opinion can be called less "valid" as he didn't actually state that the game played horribly. In fact he didn't really talk about him playing the game at all.
Maybe he didn't outline what was wrong with it in conventional sense, but he absolutely gets across what he doesnt like about the game. Which I pointed out a few pages back. From new baddies and weapons being simple re-skins, not enjoying the story to lake of replay value and lacking features its all there its just not broken down the way the most people are used to.

With all that said its still his opinion, he played the game so I believe hes quite within his rights to hate it and score it accordingly. weather or not his review matches up to others is irreverent.

I do disagree with him and if pushed I would give it a solid 3.5/5 but im still not going to cry foul because someone else didnt like it.
 

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Deadlywere said:
Well, this is a guy that hated the original Deus Ex, or so the comments and his other posts say.
He also says that ME3 is "every bit as good as the original Knights of the Old Republic." Excuse me while I hurl.
 

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Bill Nye the Zombie said:
He also says that ME3 is "every bit as good as the original Knights of the Old Republic." Excuse me while I hurl.
ME3 wasn't very good.

However, neither was KOTOR, really.
 

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2/10 strikes me as 'needs to have a serious flaw'

Like an unintended instadeath mechanic that lets you walk through walls and clip through to the end boss in the second room.

4/10 or 5/10 is 'lacks innovation'. Like I think was being said here.

Obviously all reviewing is subjective to the user but this seems... a bit like an attention grab.
 

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alphamalet said:
xshadowscreamx said:
no game deserves 2/10.. well im sure is a few but not this one.
Why the hell shouldn't bad games get this score? We have spoiled ourselves to the point that people think a 7/10 is somehow a bad score. Even the OP implies the latter in the post. It's fucking ridiculous. Yes, games deserve 2/10's, 1/10's, and 0/10's. We have gotten to the point where 9's and 10's mean nothing because we hand them out so often.

A 5/10 should be considered an "average" game, and "average" seems to be a pretty apt word for Halo 4 from what I've seen so far.
Not really.

First of all, saying 9's and 10's are handed out too often is false. It has just been so that here in the last two years, we - as gamers - have been treated to a lot of actually GOOD games. The games that get 9's or 10's these days generally get so because they're really worth it. I just purchased Dishonored and XCOM: Enemy Unknown for PC two weeks ago (Metascores 92 and 89) and both games have been a really good experience. Mass Effect 3 was also great (except the ending, but the gameplay up to that point was the best in the series).

Secondly, games scores - unlike movies, music and books - needs to take into account buggy and unplayable games. If you purchase a brand new book or DVD movie, you can be sure that if the movie won't play or the book catches fire, the fault is either that your DVD player is broken or that you shouldn't play with fire, and the fault is not in the product you purchased. Games aren't like that. Game scores needs to reserve space in the lower end of the scale for games that constantly bugs out or crashes (on top of being just "bad"). Even games with downright terrible gameplay and story are still gonna appeal to some people if they don't crash all the time, which is why a score of around 6 (and not 5) should be mean "average" when talking games.

Since i doubt Halo 4 is a game that is holed with bugs all over (and i also doubt the gameplay is downright terrible, even if it's like the earlier games in the series), a 2/10 score just shows that the reviewer is incompetent or doesn't understand his own job. Nothing more.
 

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Blargh McBlargh said:
RedDeadFred said:
Normally I'd agree with this but seeing as it's a new studio, people don't really know how much of a Halo game it's going to be.
About 90% the same.

Too much change and the fanboys will go all spastic and what not.
Very true. Judging by the user reviews on Metacritic, they were not able to prevent a very large portion of the fanboys from doing that...
 

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Athinira said:
I disagree with this notion. Sure if you find bugs in a game, then that's a fact and can't be debated (though others may not have found those same bugs. But all that matters in your review is your experience, so everyone else is irrelevant). However, the subjective part here is how much those bugs damage your opinion of the game. Want to see evidence of this at work? Search for almost any thread about Obsidian or Bethesda games on here. Among people who experienced bugs in those games, you'll see a wild variance in how those bugs hindered their experience. Reviewing games is subjective. Period.

The real point that should be driven home is this...

BloatedGuppy said:
He had the temerity to give a popular game a low score.

People can talk all they want about "honest" reviews. They don't want honest reviews. They want reviews that align with their opinions/preconceptions. If they don't, the reviewer will be accused of either trolling for hits or shilling for companies, depending on whether or not the review is perceived as scoring too high or too low.
If people here truly want reviewers to use the full scale, then we have to accept that sometimes games we light might get trashed. I'm not saying we shouldn't question the points (not the points as in the score, but what the reviewer states he has an issue with) in the review. But simply calling them a troll and outright dismissing them just makes us look like hypocritical children.
 

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Athinira said:
Not really.

First of all, saying 9's and 10's are handed out too often is false. It has just been so that here in the last two years, we - as gamers - have been treated to a lot of actually GOOD games. The games that get 9's or 10's these days generally get so because they're really worth it. I just purchased Dishonored and XCOM: Enemy Unknown for PC two weeks ago (Metascores 92 and 89) and both games have been a really good experience. Mass Effect 3 was also great (except the ending, but the gameplay up to that point was the best in the series).
I want you to name 5 AAA games off the top of your head that got an aggregate of 7/10 or below. I bet you can't do it quickly. Now name 5 AAA games that got at least a 7/10. A lot, and somehow I don't think that every AAA game that gets released deserves that sort of overwhelming positive praise. Yes, positive scores are given out far more liberally than negative ones, especially when you look at the score disparity between your average movie review, and your average game review.

Secondly, games scores - unlike movies, music and books - needs to take into account buggy and unplayable games. If you purchase a brand new book or DVD movie, you can be sure that if the movie won't play or the book catches fire, the fault is either that your DVD player is broken or that you shouldn't play with fire, and the fault is not in the product you purchased. Games aren't like that. Game scores needs to reserve space in the lower end of the scale for games that constantly bugs out or crashes (on top of being just "bad"). Even games with downright terrible gameplay and story are still gonna appeal to some people if they don't crash all the time, which is why a score of around 6 (and not 5) should be mean "average" when talking games.
Yes, games are different than movies, but I don't see what point you're trying to make here. You wouldn't review a music album the same way you would review a movie. Of course you don't review a game the same way you review a movie. What does that prove? The scores of the reviews take into account things like bugs in a game. Why in the hell would there be a minimum score guarantee for a game that is technically proficient and bug free? What difference should that make? A terrible game is terrible, with or without bugs.

And again, in what universe is a 5/10 not average? The mean (average) of all numbers between 0-10 is 5. 5 is the average. How does 6=average or 7=average?

Since i doubt Halo 4 is a game that is holed with bugs all over (and i also doubt the gameplay is downright terrible, even if it's like the earlier games in the series), a 2/10 score just shows that the reviewer is incompetent or doesn't understand his own job. Nothing more.
Yes, clearly the reviewer misinterpreted his own opinion. Reviews are not meant to be uniform, or validate someone's opinion.
 

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LostintheWick said:
Dude is just an amateur. He doesn't know to review a title objectively.

Given how long Tom Chick has been posting reviews, I wouldn't call him an amateur, per se...

And, reading his review, I do feel that he does have a few points.
 

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DMShade said:
I dislike the Halo Series, but it'd have to be broken before I would give it a 4. I see review scores like Test Scores. 50 or 5/10 or 2.5/5 stars etc is a Minimal Pass. It works, but that's about it.

A 2 couldn't be more blatantly a call for attention if you set up your own stage and spotlights.
Oh look, someone has almost - almost - stumbled onto the inherent idiocy of taking Metacritic particularly seriously, or review scores in general.

(Here's a hint folks: no one has a fucking consensus on what the arbitrary numbers mean.)
 

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alphamalet said:
I want you to name 5 AAA games off the top of your head that got an aggregate of 7/10 or below. I bet you can't do it quickly. Now name 5 AAA games that got at least a 7/10. A lot, and somehow I don't think that every AAA game that gets released deserves that sort of overwhelming positive praise.
That's a very biased test you're putting up there. People remember the games the like better than the games that are terrible (typically because they didn't buy the latter). Sure we all remember games that we tried and found terrible, but that's the exception rather than the rule. We mostly remember games we liked, and we mostly read reviews about games we suspect we'll like which tend to have a higher metascore.

In short, your test is useless because it's scientifically unbiased.

Yes, games are different than movies, but I don't see what point you're trying to make here. You wouldn't review a music album the same way you would review a movie. Of course you don't review a game the same way you review a movie. What does that prove? The scores of the reviews take into account things like bugs in a game. Why in the hell would there be a minimum score guarantee for a game that is technically proficient and bug free? What difference should that make? A terrible game is terrible, with or without bugs.
Like i said, no matter how terrible you personally feel a game is, if it's bug-free and in a playable state, there will always be people who are into this sort of thing.

To give a similar example, go read Robert Eberts review of "The Human Centipede". In his 50+ years career as a movie reviewer, this movie was the first review ever where he decided not to assign the movie a score. He thought the movie was distasteful, but didn't want to give it a thumbs down because he knew that the film had a decent sized target audience who were into that sort of thing.

Same thing can be said about Halo 4. You can say it lacks innovation or in story, but fact is that there is a lot of people who are still into the genre, and - having played it earlier today - i can say that it displays adequate (but not outstanding) design that delivers on that promise. Different opinions are different, but the reviewer in question here has clearly failed to keep perspective.

And again, in what universe is a 5/10 not average? The mean (average) of all numbers between 0-10 is 5. 5 is the average. How does 6=average or 7=average?
Because it's a scale (from "terrible" to "awesome"). 5.0 is the MIDDLE score. That doesn't mean it's the average score. If more games (or movies or whatever) come out that are good than bad, then the average score is obviously not going to be 5.0.

The review system is not a zero sum system, and never was intended to be.

Yes, clearly the reviewer misinterpreted his own opinion. Reviews are not meant to be uniform, or validate someone's opinion.
I didn't say he misinterpreted his own opinion. I said he didn't understand how to use a score system properly. I'd hate to see the day he gets a hold of a game that is truly terrible in every single aspect (so dreadful that he would be willing to PAY money to not play it), because i suspect he would have to blow his own 0-10 scale then and give it a negative score. As a reviewer, if you use a detailed score system, you need to consider what headroom the score you assign leaves for better a worse products. In the case of Halo 4, you can get something that is far beyond worse.
 

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So a guy gave Halo 4 a 2/10... so? There's alot of other people who have their say and I don't think you need to beat this guy over the head so much because of it. Not that I'm saying you absolutely shouldn't do that but this kinda feels like a waste.

In regards to a logical rating system, here's a simple one to follow:
Take 4 categories (Gameplay, Visuals, Sounds, Story, etc.)
Each category can be rated between 1-10
Add all categories scores together then divide by 4.
You get your final score.

Gameplay 6
Visuals 5
Sound 8
Story 4
Overall Score 5.75

Simple.