Even assuming he isn't a troll, the fact that this one "internet celebrity's" review is getting such attention shows how easy it WOULD be to troll people.DustyDrB said:
Think for yourselves for a change.
Christ.
Halo 4 gets a 2/10...
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Think for yourselves for a change.
Christ.
Well a numbered rating is inherently flawed, so I am not going to comment on whether I found the score correct or not. But, my personal opinion would be 'extremely unfavourable' because I'm quite frankly, sick of Halo.
objective...review...*sigh*LostintheWick said:
Is it really that hard to read a thread, or type someone's name into a search engine? Chick is probably one of the highest profile reviewers in the industry. You and I are internet nobodies. Go start a blog and write a troll review. We'll see how much attention you get. Spoiler: virtually none.Atmos Duality said:
I don't care if this guy is the Roger Ebert of the internet, if people are getting this upset over a simple dissenting review, I weep for our future.BloatedGuppy said:
I'm just correcting your misapprehension. If I get a fact wrong, and someone corrects me on my incorrect fact, I usually say "thanks" and move on with life. I don't get defensive and claim I "don't care" about facts. You can mock people for getting upset at a dissenting review all you want, they deserve it.Atmos Duality said:
I just saw some ingame footage on Jimquisition, and I noticed that it looks A LOT like Metroid Prime. With the visible helmet perspective and the enemy behaviour.
Oh no, he didn't like a game. And he scored it accordingly.
His reasons for disliking the game are totally incongruous with ours - which makes his review unconvincing and safe to disregard as consumer advice - but I don't really give a shit if he doesn't like it.
His reasons for disliking the game are totally incongruous with ours - which makes his review unconvincing and safe to disregard as consumer advice - but I don't really give a shit if he doesn't like it.
If he's popular, fine. He's popular. I'll change my post if it makes you happy.BloatedGuppy said:
This is why I don't want to bother with this site anymore. People jump down my throat for the smallest fucking things.
I get defensive because I am sick and fucking tired of it; I'm tired of the passive-aggressive tone everyone loves to sling around here. Lots of White Knights and nitpicking assholes.
If that wasn't your intended tone, then I'm sorry.
At least my original point survived this mess.
Well here's the thing...half of this ludicrous 9 page thread is angry Halo fanatics attempting to hand wave the guy because he's a "nobody" rather than just accepting that human beings can have differing opinions. I've posted numerous articles and rebuttals demonstrating that this is not the case, and then one post below mine someone will say "Derp derp clearly some nobody trying 2 get hitz 4 his startup website lulz!" and it's making me crazy. You're annoyed with White Knights and nitpickers? I'm annoyed that we can't just establish facts on page one and then discuss those facts. Instead we have to discuss presumptions, and then presumptions about presumptions, and then we end up neck deep in a morass of semantic bickering rather than having any kind of fruitful discourse about the OT. That's why I'm "nitpicking".Atmos Duality said:
PS - When did we start hating white knights, anyway? I remember when white knights were the good guys. Now it's like...terminally unhip to have noble motivations, or something.
PPS - Hey wait a minute, urban dictionary defines white knighting as being entirely gender based behavior! It doesn't even apply here!
I'd blame the Occam's Razor app everyone runs.BloatedGuppy said:
The guy trolling for ad-hits (whether he's already popular or not) is the simplest, and most immediately rational explanation.
It isn't necessarily a CORRECT explanation, but it is one.
Whenever it comes to reviews, especially internet reviews, the easiest and most common route is to immediately go for their credibility and intentions.
That's what I'm taking from this. I do not want to pore over 9 pages of mindless rambling, about something that IMO, SHOULDN'T MATTER IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Halo 4, nay, NO GAME is Helen of fucking Troy here. Her honor doth require no defense.
Fair enough. I took a hiatus from these forums because objectivity was basically a lost art.
(not that I was helping anyway)
Incidentally: I have a mathematical function for forum behavior and thread objectivity.
As Page # -> Infinity(P),
Objectivity -> 0
And I have fallen prey to that.
"Noble" has been transforming into "pretentious, singleminded and condescending".
I cannot tell you how many times I've seen people call Extra Credits and Moviebob preachy and condescending when rushing to the defense of a subject.
The problem lies not in intention, but the presentation.
It needs an update. I think we've moved past the Romantic and Elizabethan interpretation of "white knighting" when it's applied to internet behavior.
I could see Yahtzee giving it a grade like that. If he's serious about it, then he didn't like the Halo series to begin with. Really though, if you flat out don't like a game series, you probably shouldn't be reviewing it because you're going to be so biased that you can't really take it seriously.
Oh, wow, what an incredibly daring stunt of promoting someone's well pathological unwarranted self-importance.
To be honest, I don't like the Halo IP much, the most profound emotional responses it ever stirred in me were
a) they bored and annoyed me
b) they entertained me for a grand total of, say, two hours in a competitive environment
c) they made me laugh (I think that was Halo 3, you know, the last in a trilogy of, what, seven games or so and counting...)
So, I don't like Halo 4 and yet I think it deserves somewhere between, say, 74% to maybe 85%, going at it in a decidedly neutral and objective mindset.
Giving it a 2/10 is complete asshattery and should be punished by putting the malfeasant on the
block, where normal people can ridicule him, spit at him or throw moldy vegetables at him.
Captcha: the tribe has spoken.
Oh, wow.
All hail the tribe!
To be honest, I don't like the Halo IP much, the most profound emotional responses it ever stirred in me were
a) they bored and annoyed me
b) they entertained me for a grand total of, say, two hours in a competitive environment
c) they made me laugh (I think that was Halo 3, you know, the last in a trilogy of, what, seven games or so and counting...)
So, I don't like Halo 4 and yet I think it deserves somewhere between, say, 74% to maybe 85%, going at it in a decidedly neutral and objective mindset.
Giving it a 2/10 is complete asshattery and should be punished by putting the malfeasant on the
block, where normal people can ridicule him, spit at him or throw moldy vegetables at him.
Captcha: the tribe has spoken.
Oh, wow.
All hail the tribe!
RedDeadFred said:
This is Tom Chick. He's an industry veteran with an idiosyncratic perspective, but "trolling for hits" would be pretty out-of-character--especially since he's been running "Quarter to Three" as a fairly personal, low-profile website for (I believe) about a decade.
Why? I don't give every movie extra points just for not having jump cuts, mics in the shots, or other technical issues. Games shouldn't be given free points just for basically functioning.Charli said:
I'm assuming you didn't read my OP because I made it pretty clear that I have no plans of getting this game since I have not been interested in Halo in quite some time. Is it really wrong to discuss a particularly contrarian review of a video game on a forum that's about video games?Staskala said:
Also, your argument works the same way against you. What does it matter to you what other people talk about? You don't have to click on the link to the thread. I used to feel the same way about Mass Effect 3 ending threads because they've been done to death. Then I realized: "hey, I don't have to click on this and post in it. If I want it to go away, maybe I should just not post in the thread!"
I gave up on this thread when someone seemed to be making the accusations that "people are only disagreeing with the score because they're fanboys that think the game deserves a 10/10." I'm amazed the OP was able to intelligently respond to such remarks.
A reviewer should be able to review what they want. But yes, people should be able to question reviews without being accused of being a fanboy (or a hater).
The scores are a lot less important than the criticism anyway... as suggested in the initial post. Both sides of the argument seem to have neglected this. Well, maybe they haven't completely. As I mentioned, I gave up without reading all replies, but I saw enough to see the fanboy argument was still being used on page 9.
A reviewer should be able to review what they want. But yes, people should be able to question reviews without being accused of being a fanboy (or a hater).
The scores are a lot less important than the criticism anyway... as suggested in the initial post. Both sides of the argument seem to have neglected this. Well, maybe they haven't completely. As I mentioned, I gave up without reading all replies, but I saw enough to see the fanboy argument was still being used on page 9.
Here's what I do when it comes to critics.
Don't listen to them.
Yes they may have some good points but most are either bought and paid for or they're little retards like this one.
The only critics I put ANY heed to are the ones on the escapist.
Don't listen to them.
Yes they may have some good points but most are either bought and paid for or they're little retards like this one.
The only critics I put ANY heed to are the ones on the escapist.
Objective reviews aren't a myth. It's perfectly possible to detach yourself from your personal bias, and explain how a product works rather than explaining what you feel about it.Alcoholidayer said:
If it's a score based review, then the score will obviously be subjective. But the review text doesn't have to be.