Halo 4 gets a 2/10...

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charge52

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Athinira said:
charge52 said:
That would still be subjective, as you would have stated bugs or trouble you experienced, how long it took you to finish the game.
You still aren't getting it.

That everyone is going to experience things differently is given. We can't change that, we are different people, playing the game differently on different computers and at different time schedules. Hell, two playthroughs from the same person are also likely to be differently timed. Yes each play-through is subjective. You're basically arguing that it's my job as a reviewer to figure out how you are going to like the game, which it isn't.

The point of objective journalism is to give people a (non-biased) point of comparison so they can form their OWN opinion or conclusions, where subjective journalism attempts to persuade people to accept an opinion (or direction) and push them towards a preferred outcome. That's the entire difference right there, and the point is whether or not i can relay my play through objectively. I can't tell or predict how long it's going to take you to complete, say, Mass Effect 3, even if i have played the game myself. I can't tell you whether it feels too long, too short, too boring or too average either if i want to stay objective. I can, however, tell you that it took me 80 hours including all the DLC and doing a completionist run on the highest difficulty with me dying and reloading on average of 7 times per mission and that this was about the same difficulty (death rate) i also had on hardest difficulty in ME2.

If i say the above, I'm not asking you to take the 80 hour duration for granted using the same settings as me. Rather, what I'm asking you to do is use the data i just provided you to make a point of comparison using your own skills, your own past experiences (for example, having played ME2 yourself on same difficulty as me and having a similar death rate) and the amount of DLC you have compared to me to try figuring out how long it's going to take you to complete the game. I'm not trying to persuade you to believe something. I'm trying to give you the tools to create your own expectations, in this case about how long ME3 is going to last for you.
The problem there is that that would not be a review, it would be you stating how long it took you to play. Like I said, you can write objective articles about a game, but not an objective review.
Here is a challenge to you, write an unbiased/objective review, and we will see if you actually can, since you seem to think it is so easy.
As long as you don't understand what objective journalism is, that's a rather moot point.
Then tell me great Magistra, what exactly is an objective review? Since all you've done is bang on about objective journalism, while completely ignoring the entire reason we are even talking to each other, which is because I stated you cannot make an objective review! Please, do tell me, oh, and I would very much appreciate it if you would respond to all the points I bring up, rather than snip one sentence out of context and reply to that. And before you try to point out any hypocrisy, I snipped your part about jogging out because it was just your Mass Effect 3 example in a different form.
 

Athinira

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charge52 said:
The problem there is that that would not be a review, it would be you stating how long it took you to play. Like I said, you can write objective articles about a game, but not an objective review.
The definition of a review actually extends far and wide, wider than you think apparently.

In fact, a simple statement like the length of a game can actually be considered a review. It's no different than reviewing, say, a smartphone and saying that it hasn't broken despite you having dropped it on the pavement 10 times. That might be a simple fact of information, but that's actually a pretty objective way of saying that this is a durable smartphone, even if someone else contradicts you and explains that his identical smartphone already broke the first time he dropped it. And i know people who have bought their smartphone on the above premise alone because they are the types who always drop their phones. They don't need any other information from a review other than a comment on durability.

If you actually go around reading reviews, you will actually find a lot of reviews who differ quite a bit in objectivity/subjectivity. Some are, as i suggested, more focused on explaining their experiences while others (most in fact) are busy explaining their feelings, what pleased them and what annoyed them.

If you have yet to read a 90-100% objective (or even a 60-90% one), it's because they're generally boring or unfulfilling. People WANT reviewers to describe their feelings rather than just delivering monotone descriptions. While objective reviews surely are possible, they are unfortunately limited compared to subjective reviews, because there is only so much you can explain to people without them experiencing it personally. Describing a game as a "fast paced adrenaline rush" might be subjective, but it's also exactly what people who like a fast paced adrenaline rush want to hear before they jump out and spend $60 on the new Call of Duty.

charge52 said:
Then tell me great Magistra, what exactly is an objective review? Since all you've done is bang on about objective journalism, while completely ignoring the entire reason we are even talking to each other, which is because I stated you cannot make an objective review! Please, do tell me, oh, and I would very much appreciate it if you would respond to all the points I bring up, rather than snip one sentence out of context and reply to that. And before you try to point out any hypocrisy, I snipped your part about jogging out because it was just your Mass Effect 3 example in a different form.
The reason i snip out one point of your text is because it's the only relevant part when the rest is banging on about something you misunderstand to begin with. I only need a small part to demonstrate the misunderstanding. That you snip out only parts of my text is fine, since most of my writing style is based around giving analogies and examples which doesn't need to be quoted (but certainly should be read nonetheless, even though i have a terrible habit of banging on about things several times).

A review is a journalistic article, and as such is covered in what can be considered objective or subjective journalism. Reviewing a game (either objectively or subjectively) is in fact not much different from reporting an event like the U.S. Election or the recent Hurricane, and while the approach might be different, the same basic journalistic principles still apply.

So to answer your question: An objective review is a review about a product that explains about factual non-biased experiences with the product. Yes, the experiences might be different because different people will always have different experiences, but that's why it's up to the receiver to decide whenever he or she has enough information to draw a valid conclusion, which - ironically - is also going to vary between people. Some people want to know everything about a product before they decide to purchase, while others are satisfied if the name is "iPhone".

What's paramount in the review though is that the information is non-biased, both in content, context, coverage and delivery. It's extremely hard and most of the time it's not preferable either. But it's certainly not impossible.
 

BoogityBoogityMan

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@Athinira: reviews are not journalism, they are opinion pieces like op-eds. Journalism involves reporting and investigating events/issues etc. Reviews involve giving an opinion on something. An opinion is by definition subjective.

According to the 2:45 site, 1/5 stars = "I hated it". If dude hated Halo 4, why do you care? Because it affects metacritic? again, why do you care? Do you work for 343? is your Christmas bonus tied to the metacritic score? You really should figure out why you are so emotionally invested in a friggin videogame made by one of the biggest corporations on the planet and why a reviewer hating it bothers you so much.

PS I'd love see an objective review too. An unbiased opinion, the very definition of an oxymoron.
 

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sunsetspawn said:
On the other hand, changing the music of a game like Halo could conceivably kill it.
That's a good point. You could change the feeling of anything with the right music.
 

ArcWelder92

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Was I the only one that was getting odd "Mass Effect" vibes from the whole game? I thought the campaign was fairly enjoyable, but it just doesn't really feel like a Halo game to me anymore.
 

Bat Vader

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Unless the game is meant to be a comedy isn't it good when the story is serious? Not being linear enough? Do they mean they want it to be go from point A to point B or did they have a different type of linear in mind?
 

Rule Britannia

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Halo 4 isn't mindbogglingly amazing but it does not deserve as low of a score as 2/10. I'd give it 6.5/10 or 7/10 that's just based on the campaign though. With multiplayer it easily scores a 7/10 or 8/10.