"Hardcore" gamers are hipsters.

[Legion IV]

causual games have always existed. But now that Gaming isn't a exclusive club we see them as evil.


Note: My complaint is really that 'hardcore' gamers have made it so i'm embarrased by the fact i play casual games aswell. A game is a game no matter how hard

First off you've really missed the mark here or maybe at least for my group of apparently "Hipsters"

I dont give two craps about farm vile or mojang (ZING, i kid mojang) i don't care about wii fit or all that stuff. What i hate and will continue to hate that now there are more gamers since the new generation, its more accepted to everyones experimenting, fine go ahead.

But now we have companies purposely DUMBING down there games making them easier to play and get into so these new kids will play. They are hampering and making a once good series CRAP compared to the originals.

Best Example, BlazBlue, i like this game its my main game i attend tournies for it and hell I'll place okay sometimes to. BUT compared to Guilty Gear (the game Ark made before BB) BB is CRAP they made blazblue to purposely be easyier and get new people, they stated this.

Thats why am mad, thats why i have a hate for this new breed of new generation casual gamer, its them hampering the great series of legends.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

causual games have always existed. But now that Gaming isn't a exclusive club we see them as evil.


Note: My complaint is really that 'hardcore' gamers have made it so i'm embarrased by the fact i play casual games aswell. A game is a game no matter how hard

First off you've really missed the mark here or maybe at least for my group of apparently "Hipsters"

I dont give two craps about farm vile or mojang (ZING, i kid mojang) i don't care about wii fit or all that stuff. What i hate and will continue to hate that now there are more gamers since the new generation, its more accepted to everyones experimenting, fine go ahead.

But now we have companies purposely DUMBING down there games making them easier to play and get into so these new kids will play. They are hampering and making a once good series CRAP compared to the originals.

Best Example, BlazBlue, i like this game its my main game i attend tournies for it and hell I'll place okay sometimes to. BUT compared to Guilty Gear (the game Ark made before BB) BB is CRAP they made blazblue to purposely be easyier and get new people, they stated this.

Thats why am mad, thats why i have a hate for this new breed of new generation casual gamer, its them hampering the great series of legends.

BB isn't casual, it's beginner friendly. That's totally different. Lowering the bar isn't always setting the bar as low as casual games do. GG got to a point that it was too difficult for anyone who hadn't practiced for years to get into...and people sadly don't have hyperbolic time chambers in their gaming pads every time they wanna get into a new fighter series.


Also, there was this thing with Sega owning the rights to GG so they couldn't make any more of them anyways, thus they went the reinvention route. I actually got into BB, built my skill and years later I gave accent core a go and had a great time with it.


Making deep games initially beginner friendly is not bad, that's how you make more fans, as long as BB maintains it's depth and enhances it (as it has done with continuum shift 2) we'll soon be playing a game deeper than BB and with more people than before.

 

[liquidangry]

Isn't there something hipster about the very act of pointing at someone and calling them a hipster?

Yes, very much so.

 

[tlozoot]

oh shit I have a picture for this, now where the hell is it...

Spoiler

oh yea there it is. At the end of the day we aren't enemies just fags with differences.

That's a glorious image.
I am unashamedly the Poke-fag.

 

[zehydra]

Oh dear.

OP, hardcore gamers, casual gamers, and hipsters are all terms that other people who don't consider themselves a member of the supposed category give them. No hardcore gamer calls him/herself hardcore. No casual gamer calls him/herself casual. And certainly no hipster is a hipster because he calls himself a hipster.

These terms are just representations of generalizations of people, and ought to be used very rarely, if at all.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I love games, I have loved games for the entire 21 years I have lived, or at least for as long as I remember. I don't like the "new wave" of casuals because a larger portion of games are getting easier and shorter, there aren't many challenging games around outside of the indie or JRPG genres and lets not even talk about FFXIII.
What I will say that I "hate" is when the casual gamers stereotype ME for playing difficult games. Guess what, we're giving what we have received for our entire lives. YOU ridiculed US for generations, and NOW you're going to traipse on our lawn, change the way we organised our ornaments and you're now bitching at us for liking things the way they were.
I still love games regardless. Does that make me a "hipster?" I don't think so and I think you're generalizing. Get a life and stop looking for a fight.

This. Heaven forbid I rub it in the faces of people who did the same thing to me 7 years ago.

And that is why your were and still are mocked because at heart your still just a pathetic child.

Nice job insulting someone you don't know. Hope you feel better about yourself.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

I love games, I have loved games for the entire 21 years I have lived, or at least for as long as I remember. I don't like the "new wave" of casuals because a larger portion of games are getting easier and shorter, there aren't many challenging games around outside of the indie or JRPG genres and lets not even talk about FFXIII.
What I will say that I "hate" is when the casual gamers stereotype ME for playing difficult games. Guess what, we're giving what we have received for our entire lives. YOU ridiculed US for generations, and NOW you're going to traipse on our lawn, change the way we organised our ornaments and you're now bitching at us for liking things the way they were.
I still love games regardless. Does that make me a "hipster?" I don't think so and I think you're generalizing. Get a life and stop looking for a fight.

This. Heaven forbid I rub it in the faces of people who did the same thing to me 7 years ago.

And that is why your were and still are mocked because at heart your still just a pathetic child.

Nice job insulting someone you don't know. Hope you feel better about yourself.

Well your doing it I see no reason why I can?t.

Sarcastically joking with acquaintances and calling a stranger pathetic are two different things.

 

[Legion IV]

causual games have always existed. But now that Gaming isn't a exclusive club we see them as evil.


Note: My complaint is really that 'hardcore' gamers have made it so i'm embarrased by the fact i play casual games aswell. A game is a game no matter how hard

First off you've really missed the mark here or maybe at least for my group of apparently "Hipsters"

I dont give two craps about farm vile or mojang (ZING, i kid mojang) i don't care about wii fit or all that stuff. What i hate and will continue to hate that now there are more gamers since the new generation, its more accepted to everyones experimenting, fine go ahead.

But now we have companies purposely DUMBING down there games making them easier to play and get into so these new kids will play. They are hampering and making a once good series CRAP compared to the originals.

Best Example, BlazBlue, i like this game its my main game i attend tournies for it and hell I'll place okay sometimes to. BUT compared to Guilty Gear (the game Ark made before BB) BB is CRAP they made blazblue to purposely be easyier and get new people, they stated this.

Thats why am mad, thats why i have a hate for this new breed of new generation casual gamer, its them hampering the great series of legends.

BB isn't casual, it's beginner friendly. That's totally different. Lowering the bar isn't always setting the bar as low as casual games do. GG got to a point that it was too difficult for anyone who hadn't practiced for years to get into...and people sadly don't have hyperbolic time chambers in their gaming pads every time they wanna get into a new fighter series.


Also, there was this thing with Sega owning the rights to GG so they couldn't make any more of them anyways, thus they went the reinvention route. I actually got into BB, built my skill and years later I gave accent core a go and had a great time with it.


Making deep games initially beginner friendly is not bad, that's how you make more fans, as long as BB maintains it's depth and enhances it (as it has done with continuum shift 2) we'll soon be playing a game deeper than BB and with more people than before.

Its still FAR easier to become great at BB compared to GG it wasn't just beginner friendly it was just friendly, combo timing and execution were way less strict. It was more then initially beginner friendly. Also that was a problem and a long running myth either way you see it its untrue now. There working on a new gg they've said theres going to be a new one.

In that same interview he stated that the reason they made BB was, "GG became to hardcore" They wanted a game to bring in the new generation of gamers because (get this am not lying) the guilty gear fans may be to old to still be playing games.

BB is much easier, blah blah call me an elitist but its true.

 

[Saelune]

I hate casual games because they are crap. Really, casual gamers should be embarrassed when they are the target of such poor games. Animal Crossing is an example of a GOOD casual game that even hardcore gamers like myself can love. No matter the audience, a game should be made well, whether its for hardcore gamers or casual or whoever. Casual games really are just easy/simple games that dont require lots of time and effort to enjoy or do. Not crappy shovelware that belittles the intellect of the player.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

causual games have always existed. But now that Gaming isn't a exclusive club we see them as evil.


Note: My complaint is really that 'hardcore' gamers have made it so i'm embarrased by the fact i play casual games aswell. A game is a game no matter how hard

First off you've really missed the mark here or maybe at least for my group of apparently "Hipsters"

I dont give two craps about farm vile or mojang (ZING, i kid mojang) i don't care about wii fit or all that stuff. What i hate and will continue to hate that now there are more gamers since the new generation, its more accepted to everyones experimenting, fine go ahead.

But now we have companies purposely DUMBING down there games making them easier to play and get into so these new kids will play. They are hampering and making a once good series CRAP compared to the originals.

Best Example, BlazBlue, i like this game its my main game i attend tournies for it and hell I'll place okay sometimes to. BUT compared to Guilty Gear (the game Ark made before BB) BB is CRAP they made blazblue to purposely be easyier and get new people, they stated this.

Thats why am mad, thats why i have a hate for this new breed of new generation casual gamer, its them hampering the great series of legends.

BB isn't casual, it's beginner friendly. That's totally different. Lowering the bar isn't always setting the bar as low as casual games do. GG got to a point that it was too difficult for anyone who hadn't practiced for years to get into...and people sadly don't have hyperbolic time chambers in their gaming pads every time they wanna get into a new fighter series.


Also, there was this thing with Sega owning the rights to GG so they couldn't make any more of them anyways, thus they went the reinvention route. I actually got into BB, built my skill and years later I gave accent core a go and had a great time with it.


Making deep games initially beginner friendly is not bad, that's how you make more fans, as long as BB maintains it's depth and enhances it (as it has done with continuum shift 2) we'll soon be playing a game deeper than BB and with more people than before.

Its still FAR easier to become great at BB compared to GG it wasn't just beginner friendly it was just friendly, combo timing and execution were way less strict. It was more then initially beginner friendly. Also that was a problem and a long running myth either way you see it its untrue now. There working on a new gg they've said theres going to be a new one.

In that same interview he stated that the reason they made BB was, "GG became to hardcore" They wanted a game to bring in the new generation of gamers because (get this am not lying) the guilty gear fans may be to old to still be playing games.

BB is much easier, blah blah call me an elitist but its true.

Yeah but BB has only had 2-3 games out, you can't compare the last result of 10 years and 19 games worth of guilty gear to just 2-3 years worth of BB stuff and call it a fair comparison.


They've never said they're "working" on a new GG, they just said they want to do that. In a relatively new interview they said "not anytime soon" as far as GG is concerned.



Also, read more carefully, I never said BB isn't easier, all I said is that it's supposed to be easier cause it's a new series and it will eventually get to be much deeper.

 

[Plurralbles]

I instantly though, "I play[obscure japanese game], yuoui've probably newver heard of it"

lol

 

[WanderingBiscuits]

The only thing i hate about casual games is the fact that they release a new peripheral for them every single month. Its damn annoying!

 

[Jaime_Wolf]

Who's to say that being a hipster is a bad thing? The correlation and causation here tend to get confused a lot. Just because hipsters tend to avoid things that are popular doesn't mean that that's the reason they're avoiding them.

The reason a lot of gamers dislike casual gaming isn't that it's new or popular or anything like that for the most part. Though it is admittedly a little sad when a quality you use to define and find social groups becomes more wide-spread and consequently less useful. But really, I think the main problems gamers have with a lot of casual games are:

(1) A lot of casual games are bad games. You see someone playing one and you think "man, if you would try a real game, you would have so much more fun". Extra Credits has done a nice job talking about the problems with many of these. Look specifically at the skinner box videos (though, to be fair, I think their examples tend to downplay the importance of the decorative sandbox parts of games like Farmville and they clearly don't pay enough attention to the "nonexistent" social aspects, which are actually pretty existent).

(2) Some of these games aren't just poorly designed, they're borderline maliciously designed. Again, Extra Credits sums it up more succinctly than I could.

(3) There's a lot of fear that, because casual games can sell a ton of units with very little development time and cost and other games cost so much time and money to make now that companies are going to move away from making games for us. I think this is probably the most legitimate issue. I'm sure there will always be people that want to make games and there will always be AAA studios so successful that it would be silly to replace them with casual gamemakers, but that doesn't mean we aren't going to see (really, aren't already seeing) a shift toward producing casual games. People often suggest that the rise of indie games might help make up for that, but no matter what you do, there are very, very few indie developers capable of making something like Bioshock or Halo (take your Hate Dumb elsewhere). What we're really losing more of is the middle guys, the ones between AAA and indie who used to produce a lot of really great games.

 

[WolfEdge]

First of all I'm a hybrid gamer as far as i can tell. or i'm just a picky hardcore gamer this isn't hate on hardcore or causal games ( I'm currently playing nintendogs and cats for gods sake)
second Hipsters might not be the right word. but it works in the way that my social circle uses it.

On to the point, i've been thinking for a while that 'our' reaction to the causal gaming is very much like a negative stereotype, It just hit me this was hipsters.

My understanding of hipsters is they are the people who only like a band when they are underground. the moment it becmes popular they start arguing and complaining that the band has 'sold out' or what not.
Apply this to gamers with the band being the gaming industry.

It's become popular so we're complaining that it's changed when really it really hasn't that much.
Back at the begining there was pong and the like. Thats a causal game, Games like the Katamari games i'd call causal.

causual games have always existed. But now that Gaming isn't a exclusive club we see them as evil.

I played a farmville rip off for a while a year or two back. and you know what. It was fun. i've since lost my intrest in it but i enjoyed it. Really I say this to anyone who hate casual games because there casual, who hate gimicks like kinect and move. Grow up, gaming isn't your club

Note: My complaint is really that 'hardcore' gamers have made it so i'm embarrased by the fact i play casual games aswell. A game is a game no matter how hard

The way I look at the casual market is as a reintroduction to gaming. When I was growing up back in the early days, I had games like Duck Hunt and Mario and Excite Bike and Olympic Sports, which is how I learned the controls. Most casual gamers never had that, and are thus lost when it comes to fucking with current-gen systems. This is why shovel-wear exists.

^This is going to be the name of my next DnD character.

 

[MetallicaRulez0]

I don't hate casual games because they're popular. I hate them because for the most part they are horrible games. Farmville is a good example.

 

[The Gnome King]

First of all I'm a hybrid gamer as far as i can tell. or i'm just a picky hardcore gamer this isn't hate on hardcore or causal games ( I'm currently playing nintendogs and cats for gods sake)
second Hipsters might not be the right word. but it works in the way that my social circle uses it.

On to the point, i've been thinking for a while that 'our' reaction to the causal gaming is very much like a negative stereotype, It just hit me this was hipsters.

My understanding of hipsters is they are the people who only like a band when they are underground. the moment it becmes popular they start arguing and complaining that the band has 'sold out' or what not.
Apply this to gamers with the band being the gaming industry.

It's become popular so we're complaining that it's changed when really it really hasn't that much.
Back at the begining there was pong and the like. Thats a causal game, Games like the Katamari games i'd call causal.

causual games have always existed. But now that Gaming isn't a exclusive club we see them as evil.

I played a farmville rip off for a while a year or two back. and you know what. It was fun. i've since lost my intrest in it but i enjoyed it. Really I say this to anyone who hate casual games because there casual, who hate gimicks like kinect and move. Grow up, gaming isn't your club

Note: My complaint is really that 'hardcore' gamers have made it so i'm embarrased by the fact i play casual games aswell. A game is a game no matter how hard

My own personal problem with games like Farmville are that I don't really like them... and I'm afraid that deep, engaging games like Elder Scrolls: Oblivion an Fallout 3 are going to be replaced by a focus on quick, cheap to make "casual" games.

I don't "hate" on casual gamers at all; to each their own. Some of my best friends play Farmville. But did you see Microsoft's article on "the future of gaming" in a land where the games are all Farmville or Angry Birds ripoffs? That's kind of frightening to somebody like me, who views games as a potential art form and who was moved to extreme emotion by several Bioware titles just from the storytelling alone.

I think the core of hatred of casual gamers is fear - fear that some day, no engaging or complex RPGs will exist because everyone's playing with their imaginary crops on Facebook.

So the hate comes from fear; which is the case of most hate in life.

 

[Idocreating]

There is only one legitmate complaint about so-called Casual games that can hold any merit.

They're typically rather dumbed down from more classic games. Farmville, for example, takes no degree of skill whatsoever. There is no system that makes certain plants or animals more profitable at certain times. The gameplay is utterly static, relying on you clicking a lot of times to plant your stuff then coming back and doing it all over. And it's wildly popular.

The worry is when developers see that they can make a shit-ton of money by making a game that is ENTIRELY a series of grinds and chores that "Hardcore" gamers get worried. They get worried that their options will be reduced. that legitimately challenging and engaging games will decrease in favour of games like Farmville and it's ilk.

While some may claims MMOs are very grind happy, this does not make them some kind of "Casual" blight. Hell, World of Warcraft has steadily dropped a lot of it's more grindtastic aspects and seen subscriptions rise as a result. There is a big difference between "Dumbing down for Casual noobs" and "Making your game less of a fucking chore and more enjoyable"

Hopefully Facebook games could prove to be a nice starting point for getting your friends into gaming. I'm hoping I can convince my mother, whose into Bejewelled and Farmville, to at least try Simcity 4.

She'll likely utterly fail at it unless I guide her in it because it's a friggin' Simcity game.