Hardcore =/= Metal?

[Nugma]

Listen to this quintessential metal song [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJdpY0cAbuA] and compare it to your so called "hardcore" If it sounds exactly like this song, then it's Metalcore, and therefore considered metal. If it doesn't however, it's punk.

God damn mainstream metal, it sounds just as stupid as mainstream pop or rock or rap or whatever.

 

[zen5887]

OT: Metal and Hardcore are different, but they can overlap each other.

And when they do, its called Metalcore.

This is why genres and sub-genres are important.

 

[Lord_Duke]

Hardcore is indeed a sub genre of Punk so it's not actually metal, More a mixture of the 2
Never gotten into it, Seen Hatebreed live, It was ok but on album they just annoy me.

 

[the_pleasure_is_mine]

Hardcore is a sub-genre, and it doesn't really matter, It's all enjoyable if you're into that sort of stuff.

Also I never really got into bring me the horizon...

 

[Aunel]

Hardcore > Metal

Also, Bring Me The Horizon is awesome

sorry matey you put the > the wrong way 'round.

Metal rules!

ok, that is enough flame-bait for this post.

OT: no, different genres, comparing apples to telephones.

see, what i just dont get is that hardcore has A LOT of similarities to metal but metalheads avoid it like the plague and run their mouths about it at every opportunity.
If i wear my emmure tshirt, one of them will start insulting Emmure, and so on.

It's just tradition,
but I think this thread can die of now, we saved the world from another disagreement

 

[Xelanath]

Bring me the Horizon are not a hardcore band.

This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXQtl0ypU44
and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fvu951up_0

are just two examples of Hardcore bands.

hardcore punk, yeah.
but I mean the way hardcore is defined now.

Despite the changes from 80s hardcore punk, hardcore still isn't metalcore.

Not wishing to stray into heavier sub-genres (sludge, powerviolence etc.), I'll list some contemporary bands that can be clearly defined as hardcore (I'll list some more popular bands, in the hope that you'll recognise some).

Defeater
Trapped Under Ice
Verse
Comeback Kid
Have Heart
Dead Swans
This is Hell
Donnybrook
Good Clean Fun
Modern Life is War
Give Up the Ghost


Most of these bands plainly operate, or operated, in a punk culture, rather than a metal culture. While there has been plenty of crossover (so much so, that 'crossover' is a generic term for a fusing of thrash metal and hardcore punk), there are still clearly separate traditions.

 

[lazy_bum]

Hardcore > Metal

Also, Bring Me The Horizon is awesome

Metal > Hardcore

Also, Bring Me The Horizon is never going to be awesome

fix'd

couldn't resist.

OT: they are different genres to me. in the same way R&B and i dunno, dubstep are probably different to someone who is into that, but seem the same to me.

 

[Pink_Pirate]

quite honestly i dont mind hardcore, its a bit unsophisticated but ive herd a couple of good songs. Now what i dont get is hardcore dancing, aka this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMS3Q-HuaAk&feature=PlayList&p=DE17C39C46488A47&index=0

I mean.... i just dont get it... this whole flaily arm thing, and the kicking... whats wrong with a good old moshpit? I cannot comprehend why anyone no matter what age or mental capacity would ever think hardcore dancing is in any way "cool"...

 

[Distorted Stu]

I prefer digital hardcore, although hardcore rock (i guess what its called) is good too.

 

[Fraught]

Listening to "Bring Me the Horizon", I didnt' like it.

Am I seriously the only one who, listening to BMTH is reminded of that god-awful, irritating shit brokeNCYDE (which, seeing as they call their music 'crunkcore', is not that surprising), more than I should?

And I think metal is better than hardcore, anyway. Though I usually listen very, very soft metal, and more rock, like System of a Down, Clutch, Enter Shikari, Muse, Avenged Sevenfold, Papa Roach etc.

 

[Tekyro]

Hardcore < Metal

Fixed that for you.

OT: My music taste (within the rock/metal kind of spectrum anyway) ranges from classic rock to thrash metal, with a teeny bit of not-quite-death-metal-as-such (i.e. Dethklok) on the side. However, I can't stand hardcore/some metalcore/most screamo bands, Bring Me The Horizon and Enter Shikari in particular. I can see why it would appeal to people, but it just doesn't do it for me.

 

[Throne]

Hardcore =/= metal in the least, this is not opinion, this is fact.

Also your more 'metalhead' friends have pretty shitty tastes in music.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Bring Me The Horizon are spoilt by a shitty vocalist. I'm fairly sure it's a sub-genre of metal. It's pretty feckin similar at least, just punkier.

Hardcore<metal.

Nothing beats a good bit of thrash.

 

[Fire Daemon]

Metal is a mindset. Genres like metalcore or hardcore don't seem to have that mindset and so to me they aren't metal. They seem kind of like that band in the start of Brutal Legend, group with an opinion that they are metal but kind of miss the point. Doesn't mean that they are bad bands though.

 

[BaldursBananaSoap]

Metal F.T.W

Especially prog


Hardcore is fucking awful. Especially BMTH.

 

[Throne]

What's up with all these people who don't have a freaken' clue, yet feel the need to confuse others?

It's not a subgenre of Metal. Metalcore, deathcore, fagcore, whatever core is all a sub-genre of hardcore which is a more aggressive style of punk. In a nutshell.

 

[funguy2121]

I think Tool and System of a Down are metal, but that's just because I can actually listen to them. Now where is that flame shield?

 

[Spitfire175]

Hardcore is not metal.

Hardcore is a sub-genre of punk if anything.

I was a metalhead in my youth but I despise "hardcore", "metalcore" etc. I can see why other people like it, but what really appeals to me about metal is good riffs and the metalcore guys don't really have catchy, memorable riffing. Also that screaming thing they do is so tedious, I'm so over screamed vocals. Maybe back when I was a 15-year old angst ridden virgin I would have loved metalcore, but not these days.

Quoted for truth.

 

[funguy2121]

Listening to "Bring Me the Horizon", I didnt' like it.

Am I seriously the only one who, listening to BMTH is reminded of that god-awful, irritating shit brokeNCYDE (which, seeing as they call their music 'crunkcore', is not that surprising), more than I should?

And I think metal is better than hardcore, anyway. Though I usually listen very, very soft metal, and more rock, like System of a Down, Clutch, Enter Shikari, Muse, Avenged Sevenfold, Papa Roach etc.

Seriously, how could you even call Muse a metal band? I'm a fan, excluding their radio singles, and they do occasionally use metal-esque riffs, but they're much more vastly influenced by Radiohead than Slayer.

 

[Hiphophippo]

Hey guys, I'd listen to some of that hardcore or metalcore, but I'm way too busy listening to bands like...

Iron Maiden
Alcest
Amesoeurs
Eluveitie
Tyr
Falckenbach
SuidAkra
Wintersun
Ensiferm
Aggolach



I could go on. You kindly keep your no melody bullshit out of my genre.