Soda actually does make your thirsty. I say hardcore as a challenge, to when the difficulty setting just doesn't suffice.
Hardcore mode - A video game scourge? Or immersive tool?
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It severely limits weapon loadouts, makes strength matter to a non-melee character, and resolves the cognitive dissonance attached to Hover Bullets. Plus makes food and water useful instead of just creating an I Win Button out of Stimpaks (Fallout 3, I'm looking at you). You want to walk into a Deathclaw nest, you do so at your own peril in hardcore, while in non-hardcore you could just spam the hotkey and stim up.
New Vegas Harcore mode was a pain in the ass.
Slightly more challenging, ten times more tedious. Just meant watching more loading screens and more inventory micro-managing.
Slightly more challenging, ten times more tedious. Just meant watching more loading screens and more inventory micro-managing.
I like Hardcore mode, whenever I play New Vegas I always switch it on.
It really does add to the immersion, and I'd like to see it implemented into more games, and its optional so if you don't like it you don't have to use it.
It really does add to the immersion, and I'd like to see it implemented into more games, and its optional so if you don't like it you don't have to use it.
Depends on how it works. With the FWE mod in Fallout 3, it worked beautifully because I was able to slow down the in-game clock, and so my character would actually go and get food and drink during moments of the day when I normally would do so. For New Vegas...well it isn't quite like that.
If done right, a "hardcore mode" can really add alot to the experience. In New Vegas though... well the modders for Fallout 3 did a better job.
If done right, a "hardcore mode" can really add alot to the experience. In New Vegas though... well the modders for Fallout 3 did a better job.
It could have been great if done correctly such as the FWE mod @Yureina mentioned, but the hardcore mode in New vegas is a bit broken, beer and soda does not dehydrate, that's just a myth.
Devil May Cry, Heaven or Hell mode. All of the enemies die in one hit...but so do you. And there are lots more of them than there are of you. Hell or Hell mode makes you die in one hit while all the enemies have super health/speed, but that's not really fair.Wayward Man said:
My gaming dream would be an RPG of some kind where you don't have 4000 health and do 300k damage while the enemies have millions of health and do 300 damage, I.E. every RPG ever made. The only game that I know of that semi-subverts that is Disgaea...and only because both the enemies AND you can get into billions of health/damage.
That, or a game where raising the difficulty leaves enemy stats the same, but greatly improves their AI.
I haven't played New Vegas yet, but hardcore mode kind of reminds me of Betrayal at Krondor and Betrayal in Antara. In both games, your characters had to eat and sleep, otherwise they would start losing health. I don't think you could actually die of starvation, but you could drop to 1 hp until you were able to eat up and heal up. Food could go bad, and if you took it from a dead enemy, it was important to check it to make sure that it wasn't poisoned. You could also get sick, which led to various problems, such as dying of plague. It sounds complicated, but it was handled in such a way as to be relatively unobtrusive, and it added much more to the game than it took away. In other words, it wouldn't hurt to see more games with a system like this -- Fallout: NV is the first game I've heard of with a system like that since Betrayal in Antara came out, and that was back in the late 90's.
i heard that drinking soda makes you go pee more often then by drinking water since it has lots of other chemicals in the mix so in a way soda would make you thirstier in the long run.Zachary Amaranth said:It's not true, though. Well, not directly, anyway. You'll get thirstier faster than with water, but it doesn't have a negative impactWayward Man said:Funny you should say that, my father always told me pop simply made you more thirsty, so that never bothered meKarim Saad said:For me, it ruins the immersion. When Yahtzee said that Cola shouldn't make you more thirsty, or +H2O, or whatever, I agree. I don't like it when real world issues mix with HP and skill levels. When I GAME, I want to GAME!
And no way drinking from an irradiated toilet heals you more than a fresh Nuka-cola, bollocks!
Caffeine acts as a diuretic hormone, less water is reabsorbed from the kidney back into the bloodstream than normal; so it would cause you to be more thirsty. Problem is that Obsidian emphasized the effects of it a bit too much, it will not cause mass dehydration with just one bottle as Yahtzee pointed out. Source: five years studying human biologyphoenix352 said:i heard that drinking soda makes you go pee more often then by drinking water since it has lots of other chemicals in the mix so in a way soda would make you thirstier in the long run.Zachary Amaranth said:It's not true, though. Well, not directly, anyway. You'll get thirstier faster than with water, but it doesn't have a negative impactWayward Man said:Funny you should say that, my father always told me pop simply made you more thirsty, so that never bothered meKarim Saad said:For me, it ruins the immersion. When Yahtzee said that Cola shouldn't make you more thirsty, or +H2O, or whatever, I agree. I don't like it when real world issues mix with HP and skill levels. When I GAME, I want to GAME!
And no way drinking from an irradiated toilet heals you more than a fresh Nuka-cola, bollocks!
Aye, like fatigue in Morrowind/Oblivion I imagine? Could be done easilyWayward Man said:I remember something very similair on an older game, when exposed to cold weather your stamina meter drained and could only be brought up by being exposed to warmth, stamina was seperate from health as well
Soda dehydrates you. Especially cola anyway. People need to realize this. Soda is nothing but sugar and syrups, and neither help hydration in any possible way. It's like saying alcohol hydrates you.
People seem to think it "magically hydrates" because they get a 'feeling' when drinking it. This is simply sugar entering the bloodstream and the small high you get from receptors in your brain indicating you are quenching an addiction. Soda is high in caffeine and all sorts of (weapons-grade sugars, as I like to call them) that will get you addicted.
Try running a mile after only drinking soda for a few days, see how fast you nearly pass out. Also, try it in the heat, and then tell me soda is =/= water for hydration.
People seem to think it "magically hydrates" because they get a 'feeling' when drinking it. This is simply sugar entering the bloodstream and the small high you get from receptors in your brain indicating you are quenching an addiction. Soda is high in caffeine and all sorts of (weapons-grade sugars, as I like to call them) that will get you addicted.
Try running a mile after only drinking soda for a few days, see how fast you nearly pass out. Also, try it in the heat, and then tell me soda is =/= water for hydration.
Either that or they could have you crap your pants because that's pretty damn realistic when it comes to DeathclawsKarim Saad said:It's probably true. Alcohol dehydrates you even more I wonder if that's in the game.Wayward Man said:Funny you should say that, my father always told me pop simply made you more thirsty, so that never bothered meKarim Saad said:For me, it ruins the immersion. When Yahtzee said that Cola shouldn't make you more thirsty, or +H2O, or whatever, I agree. I don't like it when real world issues mix with HP and skill levels. When I GAME, I want to GAME!
And no way drinking from an irradiated toilet heals you more than a fresh Nuka-cola, bollocks!
If they want to make a realistic mode, they'd better give you an adrenalin boost when you get startled by a Deathclaw, without getting addicted because it's a natural drug.
Anyway, no hardcore for me!
Personally, I think it's great. It means you have to take stock over your inventory rather than being a walking armoury. However, that's still no problem for me because with Strength 6 and the Strong Back Perk I can carry 260lbs which means a Service Rifle, 3 grenades, a machete, an assault carbine, a 10mm and 9mm pistol, brass knuckles, a hunting rifle, 32 bottles of water, 700 10mm rounds, a hundred standard rounds for other guns, a hundred 5.56mm AP rounds and a metric fuckton of food. So it sorta makes the whole thing moot in that sense.
PS: that only brings me up to 160-180lbs so that's a spare 80-100lbs for loot.
Nexus4 said:Caffeine acts as a diuretic hormone, less water is reabsorbed from the kidney back into the bloodstream than normal; so it would cause you to be more thirsty. Problem is that Obsidian emphasized the effects of it a bit too much, it will not cause mass dehydration with just one bottle as Yahtzee pointed out. Source: five years studying human biologyphoenix352 said:i heard that drinking soda makes you go pee more often then by drinking water since it has lots of other chemicals in the mix so in a way soda would make you thirstier in the long run.Zachary Amaranth said:It's not true, though. Well, not directly, anyway. You'll get thirstier faster than with water, but it doesn't have a negative impactWayward Man said:Funny you should say that, my father always told me pop simply made you more thirsty, so that never bothered meKarim Saad said:For me, it ruins the immersion. When Yahtzee said that Cola shouldn't make you more thirsty, or +H2O, or whatever, I agree. I don't like it when real world issues mix with HP and skill levels. When I GAME, I want to GAME!
And no way drinking from an irradiated toilet heals you more than a fresh Nuka-cola, bollocks!
I guessed it was grossly overaxagerated when 32 bottles of soda almost gave me major dehydration sickness.
Apart from bad teeth and obescityZachary Amaranth said:It's not true, though. Well, not directly, anyway. You'll get thirstier faster than with water, but it doesn't have a negative impactWayward Man said:Funny you should say that, my father always told me pop simply made you more thirsty, so that never bothered meKarim Saad said:For me, it ruins the immersion. When Yahtzee said that Cola shouldn't make you more thirsty, or +H2O, or whatever, I agree. I don't like it when real world issues mix with HP and skill levels. When I GAME, I want to GAME!
And no way drinking from an irradiated toilet heals you more than a fresh Nuka-cola, bollocks!
Well, if you heard it, I'll just take your word for it. My friend's cousin's dentist's uncle said he saw bigfoot once....phoenix352 said:
Which are totally hydration issues, what we were talking about, after all.Kenko said:Apart from bad teeth and obescity