I heard Brave was good, just not epic level like Toy Story. They took a step back with Cars 2 and a step forward again with Brave. I'm not worried at all.
Has Pixar lost its touch?
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i'm going to see brave soon, I hope it good.
p.s We don't talk about cars 2, there was only one cars movie in book. That never happen.
p.s We don't talk about cars 2, there was only one cars movie in book. That never happen.
I think part of the problem is how good their competitors have been in comparison. Pixar has always been the top of computer animated movies, but I can name 5 movies off the top of my head that are computer animated and I found to be just as enjoyable as any other Pixar movie.
I dunno, I liked it. I thought the second half felt kind of rushed, like it should have been about a half an hour longer than it was. Other than the semi-rushed feeling it was still a good movie though. It had a clever sense of humour that kept it from feeling like a waste and the animation style and music particularly amazing. The characters were easily some of the best I've seen in awhile and I actually hope they make a Brave 2 just so I can see more of Merida's adventures which I can't remember feeling for many other characters in movie's lately.
It was adequate. The characters were good and the humor was solid, but the conflict was rushed and undeveloped.
Not Pixar's finest hour, but miles from me losing faith from them. It's Monsters Inc Level, not Wall-E level, definitely not Cars 2 level.
The whole demon bear angle was super weak. If they were trying to make a parallel between the old kingdom and the new, then throwing in the demon bear to be like "ooh magic has been used before and the consequences were dire" isn't very effective because the guy who turned into a demon bear was already trying to destroy the kingdom in the first place. The magic just diluted an already tenuous metaphor. Past that, just to nitpick, why is marrying Merida to one of the three first born sons a peace offering? Two families will go home without a princess, and I doubt they'll be too happy about that.
Not Pixar's finest hour, but miles from me losing faith from them. It's Monsters Inc Level, not Wall-E level, definitely not Cars 2 level.
I haven't seen it yet, but I say if they want to spread out an experiment with conventional stories and try something different for a while let them.
Also look at their upcoming films after Monsters University:
The Good Dinosaur: A film about a world where dinosaurs never went extinct
"The Untitled Pixar Movie that Takes You Inside the Mind"
"The Untitled Pixar Movie About Día de los Muertos"
Not to mention that considering how long it takes to make these movies we're probably just now seeing to effects of something that happened a few years ago. Executive meddling? Lack of ideas? I have no idea!
Also look at their upcoming films after Monsters University:
The Good Dinosaur: A film about a world where dinosaurs never went extinct
"The Untitled Pixar Movie that Takes You Inside the Mind"
"The Untitled Pixar Movie About Día de los Muertos"
Not to mention that considering how long it takes to make these movies we're probably just now seeing to effects of something that happened a few years ago. Executive meddling? Lack of ideas? I have no idea!
Based on attendance numbers and revenue, I wouldn't say Pixar has lost their touch at all. I work at a movie theater and close to 2/3 of our total attendance this weekend has been for Brave. I think I read that it did $66 million this weekend (it may have been one of my coworkers that told me that so I won't hold it up as concrete fact) so that tells me at least the general public is enjoying it. We've had several families that I've talked to say they've already seen it twice.
It's on my "to see" list, but for now I've got Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, Prometheus, and possibly Avengers again on that list as well.
It's on my "to see" list, but for now I've got Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, Prometheus, and possibly Avengers again on that list as well.
well I didn't hate cars 1/2 but I would call them dreamworks quality (if that makes sense) I have heard that the first half of brave is great and the second half just turns into a "dreamworks" quality film.
Last time I've check it was mostly good and while Moviebob had some complain about it in his Intermission article he still say it's a good film.
I mean Car 2 was bad as it was more as a money pull franchise instead of being unquie setting/ theme with a lesson/ moral to it while still being funny and fun for both kid and adult to watch.
Yeah I'm not too keen with Monster University as I feel it could had the same effect as Car 2. (Did they really intend to make it in the first place or give into fan demand for more Monster Inc?)
I mean Car 2 was bad as it was more as a money pull franchise instead of being unquie setting/ theme with a lesson/ moral to it while still being funny and fun for both kid and adult to watch.
Interesting last time I read about these future films, one of them was about a rare Newt who meet another female newt in order to mate to save their species (I think it was something to do with geniue loved or just to force to be in loved to save their species). Maybe the had scrap it since it sound abit similar to that film Rio.Dryk said:
Yeah I'm not too keen with Monster University as I feel it could had the same effect as Car 2. (Did they really intend to make it in the first place or give into fan demand for more Monster Inc?)
If they had developed the "Legend" part of the story and the surrounding aspects, it would have been incredible. More backstory on that whole part - the movie was short as it was, if they delved further into the history I would give it a 10.
Otherwise, agreed, I was underwhelmed. Very happy to see it break the norm of princess movies, though.
On a funny note, my twin sister and I were sitting at the theatre waiting for the doors to open so we could get in... and we were sitting under a poster of the triplets. Kept getting funny looks. Was hilarious.
Otherwise, agreed, I was underwhelmed. Very happy to see it break the norm of princess movies, though.
On a funny note, my twin sister and I were sitting at the theatre waiting for the doors to open so we could get in... and we were sitting under a poster of the triplets. Kept getting funny looks. Was hilarious.
The only Pixar movie that I've seen so far that I didn't like was Cars. I tried watching it with my son, but just couldn't get into it. We barely even laughed. Maybe it's just too specifc to Nascar-type racing, which I find mind-numbingly boring. Whereas, no matter how many times my son watches Finding Nemo, he still laughs his head off at the Dorie-speaking-whale thing!
Please tell me you're not serious. Implied accusations of widespread misogyny? In this day and age? Nobody of import thinks that way any more, laddie.Somebloke said:
On topic: Yes, they have. Sure, you can say they are still above average, but for a company known for only masterpieces for almost a decade, even above average is still a stumble from previous soaring heights.
I saw Brave over the weekend, and thought it was wonderful. Outside of one side plot, it was the first movie I've seen in a long while without any antagonist. That was a nice change of pace.
I think Moviebob said it well: Pixar's problem is that they're Pixar. People are expecting to get blown out of the water every time. And when that doesn't happen, it's seen as a failure. It can still be a wonderful movie by all accounts, but if it doesn't blow people's minds it's a step back. And while that isn't an excuse for any legitimate mistakes they make, it does lead the public to blow those mistakes out of proportion in ways they never would have if it had been made by any other studio. And it doesn't help that their last film was Cars 2, which most consider a resounding failure (though I feel it still did what it set out to do, it just didn't set out to pull at your heartstrings and the hardcore fans didn't know what to do with that), and that means since Brave wasn't perfect everybody's getting all hysterical and apocalyptic, "OH NO, PIXAR IS DYING! THEY'RE SELLING OUT! WHAAAA!" Lordy. Again, all this drama wouldn't be happening if it were any other studio.pilouuuu said:
I haven't seen Brave yet, probably will this weekend when the crowds have died a bit, but from what I understand this was a particularly difficult film for them because it is a different style from their typical movies, thematically and especially character-wise with the female lead. They had many re-writes and new scripts to get it just right. So I can't say much more than that at this point, but I will say even if I am "underwhelmed" as others were, I do feel like this is Pixar in a state of transition, trying new and risky things. And while we should never give them a free pass for legitimate mistakes, we shouldn't encourage them to JUST stick with what they know works. They need to keep trying new things, lest they stagnate and become like Disney in the late 90s and early 2000s.
While Pixar certainly isn't losing it's touch, there's a fair amount of controversy regarding the realm of the Disney Princess. One of the problems is the over saturation of the same storyline; Princess wants to rebel OR hero becomes Prince to save princess. Pixar went for the slightly less popular version because it targets a demographic that's growing out of the princess phase (we hope) and thus less likely to be interested in princess related media.
Movie Bob touched up on another big issue during his review of Up; the relationship dynamic between father and son is, unfortunately even in today's modern and feminist world, so much more compelling to us than the relationship between mother and daughter. This movie is a sad reflection of that idea.
Brave is by no means a bad movie. There were things that could have been flushed out more, but the plot was very direct, no major twists whatsoever, and a rediculous amount of male stereotyped characters. The only two major characters were a young woman trying to live life like a man and a mother who had to come to terms with being a bear. Once again we find ourselves with the dilemma of making a compelling female character in her own right.
What Pixar did manage to accomplish with all of this tired tropes should be commendable, because any other studio attempting the same thing would have been viciously attacked for it. If it were Disney by itself who would have just rolled their eyes at yet one more movie about princesses?
It was a cute flick, and I would suggest checking it out, but with the right expectations.
Movie Bob touched up on another big issue during his review of Up; the relationship dynamic between father and son is, unfortunately even in today's modern and feminist world, so much more compelling to us than the relationship between mother and daughter. This movie is a sad reflection of that idea.
Brave is by no means a bad movie. There were things that could have been flushed out more, but the plot was very direct, no major twists whatsoever, and a rediculous amount of male stereotyped characters. The only two major characters were a young woman trying to live life like a man and a mother who had to come to terms with being a bear. Once again we find ourselves with the dilemma of making a compelling female character in her own right.
What Pixar did manage to accomplish with all of this tired tropes should be commendable, because any other studio attempting the same thing would have been viciously attacked for it. If it were Disney by itself who would have just rolled their eyes at yet one more movie about princesses?
It was a cute flick, and I would suggest checking it out, but with the right expectations.
Maybe it's because there just doesn't seem to be anything memorable about it (I haven't seen it either btw).Lilani said:
There are multiple Pixar movies that I don't like, but all of them are atleast memorable in some way. Even Cars. But when I saw the trailers for Brave I was struck by a disproportionate amount of meh. No "awesome", "cool", or "this is shit", just "meh". And sometimes that's even worse than the movie being outright bad.
I'm surprised!Scarim Coral said:
I thought I was the only one on this site that saw Rio (By the way, Blue Sky only made two good movies IMO, Rio and Ice Age 1)
Nowadays, you look at stuff they're making and you can see shit and good stuff. Pixar is automatically good usually (Cars (2) is the real iffy one for some). Dreamworks is half and half, sometimes its fucking great (AKA How to Train Your Dragon) sometimes is shite (Shrek 4). Then Blue Sky likes making money off of Ice Age with only one new movie every blue moon that suffers the 70% chance of being awful and 30% chance of being good.
Reading about upcoming pixar movies does look good. Monsters University does have that "feel" that it'll be good.