Can that phrase please die? It's so vague it's meaningless.T8B95 said:And oddly enough, the sun still rises in the east, birds are still flying in the sky, and the ground is still beneath my feet. Honestly, is anyone surprised? I called this back when the first trailer came out, and I said it again when Steam put it back on Greenlight.
As others have said, context is important. Like it or not, no media exists in a vacuum.
Imagine a game about cartoon characters that are all smiley and happy, everyone gets along and the missions of the game involve you helping people and sorting things out through non violent conflict resolution. Now imagine this game is a sandbox and if you go into the police station you can find guns and use those guns and go on a bloody gory rampage. There is no other blood in the rest of the game. What should the ESRB rate this game?T8B95 said:Yes, I can go on shooting sprees in GTA. I can boot up the Sims and psychologically torture them to insanity. I can play Total War and commit mass genocide on civilian populations. However, these games aren't rated AO because the context of the game creates options to these actions, and those actions aren't the stated purpose to the games.
If your answer is M (and I'm betting it is) then we've established that optional parts should still count towards a game's rating, and since that's the case there's no difference between this and the most violent parts of GTA. These actions are actions you can perform in GTA so it should be rated M.
T8B95 said:Also, this isn't really "censorship" of the game.
I'd say it's de facto censorship but it's just semantics. The point is all these issues surrounding the Ao rating are just needless obstacles between adults making the games they want to make and selling them to adults who want to play them. There is no benefit to consumer other than the selfish satisfaction that a game you weren't going to play is now harder to obtain.
Lots of people have had to edit their films to get it to an R instead of NC-17. It's a broken, stupid system and it should go away for both films and games. See the movie "This Film is not Yet Rated"T8B95 said:Also also, to the people who are saying "They're taking away our vidja gaems!!!" this isn't a video game specific issue. This is part of a larger cultural issue with adult-oriented entertainment. Specifically, there's no issue with R-rated films being released, but only one NC-17 film has gotten a wide US release in living memory (Showgirls, and we all know how that turned out).