It's not even so much that I specifically wanted the bad guys to win, though the whole "piss off back to your dying Earth" thing was pretty mean-spirited however justified as a warning, but I could not for the life of me understand how the Navi defeated giant mechs and rocket launchers with just the power of nature, not to mention the Navi's wildly inconsistent battle tactics and weaponry - stealth gets traded for charging straight into gunfire and arrows that bounced harmlessly off plexi-glass a few scenes ago suddenly pierce both the glass and human flesh with ease.jademunky said:
Have you ever wanted the bad guy to win?
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That was how I reasoned while playing System Shock 2 xDIhateregistering1 said:
Especially the line that went "It is my will that gave you your cybernetic implants (the only beauty in that meat you call a body. If you value that meat, you will do as I say)" and I just thought "yeah, fair enough". I had no problems working for Shodan as long as she didn't betray me and kept the upgrades flowing... Is that a problem? =P
Well, it does not detract from the cause he was fighting for, but it makes him much less likeable as a character. It makes him seem unstable and unreliable. Not someone you would want to welcome with open arms into your blue-skinned-cat-person society.Silvanus said:
Yeeess... soo much this...Private Custard said:
Also Star Wars movies/Games... if i can pick a evil side in a game.. i will do it, because im tired of the good guys winning.
Chronicles of Narnia. Not necessarily because I liked the villain(s), but I could not stand the protagonists, and I was so hoping Repecheep would get smashed.
Any villain from any 007 movie. I just want that smug, womanizing 007 to die. How people think that 007 is a character that should be looked upon in awe is beyond me. I, personally have only seen Goldeneye and parts of Goldfinger, but i hate 007 so much.
Well, sort of. The heroes of Spider Robinson's novel Mindkiller decide very late in the game that the big over-plot is actually a great idea and totally worth doing, and sort of screw over everyone who thinks otherwise. Meanwhile, the reader (or at least, me, but from what I've read, I'm far from alone) responds, "Excuse me, what? Have you completely forgotten that the heroine's situation in the opening chapter completely invalidates a large portion of your premise?"
Sigh. Ah, Mindkiller. Way to turn an amazingly good short story (God is an Iron) into a wretched hatchet job of a novel.
Sigh. Ah, Mindkiller. Way to turn an amazingly good short story (God is an Iron) into a wretched hatchet job of a novel.
Star Trek Insurrection. I think the potential medical advancements that the Federation and the bad guys wanted was more important then letting 600 people be immortal. Had the villains got their way it would have meant that 600 people would have to live normal human lifespans, but the villain's people get to survive and who how many billions could have been helped by what they developed there. Especially as the Federation was at war with the Dominion at the time and it really could have helped them.
The Cabin in the Woods.
Jesus fucking Christ Marty, is eight more minutes of living really worth (and I quote) "The agonizing death of every human soul on the planet"?
Jesus fucking Christ Marty, is eight more minutes of living really worth (and I quote) "The agonizing death of every human soul on the planet"?
I find it ironic that the only Assassin's Creed that actually had proper moral ambiguity was the first one, where the conflict was ultimately between two well-meaning but fundamentally flawed sides. Whereas the second one was basically James Bond in Renaissance Italy, and in the third one the protagonist was MUCH less sympathetic than the Templars he was killing.Azure23 said:
Seriously, I hated Connor so much as a protagonist. Haytham was my favourite character in the game.
I actually can't bring myself to play Zelda games anymore because I looked up Ganondorf's wiki page (and then that of Demise) and felt less like the Hero of Time/Wind/Bagpipes/Whatever, more like an asshole who lucked into the best draw. From what I can tell, the whole of Zelda is just an endless, meaningless cycle of the 'gods' sending one little prick to deal with a bigger prick who is a prick in the first place because a lovecraftian-horror-type-thing has a grudge against the gods (seeing their approach to determining 'worthiness' of their own, hand-picked fucking champion, I sympathize) and keeps reincarnating the same prick over and over in the hopes that that prick will destroy the world for him. The gods always respond by doing the exact same thing, but with saving the world so it can all happen again.
And again.
And again.
And again.
I'm sick of jumping through their goddamn hoops to get the goddamn weapons to kill goddamn Ganon's goddamn minions to get the goddamn triforce and using it to kill goddamn Ganon again, not because I'm opposed to all the violence, but because I feel bad for the guy. Sure, he probably means to wipe out all life that doesn't serve him sometimes, but I think after all he's been through, I'd be doing just that, were I in his shoes instead of whichever Magical Hero Slippers I need to get through the current goddamn dungeon.
Luckily, I can imagine Ganondorf wins and the cycle is ended by just not playing anymore.
And again.
And again.
And again.
I'm sick of jumping through their goddamn hoops to get the goddamn weapons to kill goddamn Ganon's goddamn minions to get the goddamn triforce and using it to kill goddamn Ganon again, not because I'm opposed to all the violence, but because I feel bad for the guy. Sure, he probably means to wipe out all life that doesn't serve him sometimes, but I think after all he's been through, I'd be doing just that, were I in his shoes instead of whichever Magical Hero Slippers I need to get through the current goddamn dungeon.
Luckily, I can imagine Ganondorf wins and the cycle is ended by just not playing anymore.
Anti-Spiral from Gurren Lagann. All it wanted was to prevent Spiral Nemesis from happening, while Team Dai-Gurren was being a bunch of arrogant, reckless morons with no real plan of how to effectively stop Spiral Nemesis, and so may have pretty much may have set the universe's path towards destruction.
Schneizel Britannia from Code Geass. Say what you will about his plan, but his logic and reasoning behind it made more sense than Lelouch's, who by the end had thrown out just about every last ounce of sympathy I may have had for him, on top of his own plan being far more likely to backfire than achieve the goal he wanted.
The Forces of Chaos, Orks, Tyranids, Necrons and Dark Eldar from Warhammer 40K. Personally, I would've taken the Eldar or Tau's side over the Imperium, but since this is about villains, then all of the more villainous factions will do, because at least they're not so BSing about their evil.
Schneizel Britannia from Code Geass. Say what you will about his plan, but his logic and reasoning behind it made more sense than Lelouch's, who by the end had thrown out just about every last ounce of sympathy I may have had for him, on top of his own plan being far more likely to backfire than achieve the goal he wanted.
The Forces of Chaos, Orks, Tyranids, Necrons and Dark Eldar from Warhammer 40K. Personally, I would've taken the Eldar or Tau's side over the Imperium, but since this is about villains, then all of the more villainous factions will do, because at least they're not so BSing about their evil.
I've got a few.
Cabin in the woods. Full stop. I mean, I get what they were going for, with the satirizing and the deconstruction and all that, but I still wanted the gov't conspiracy guys to win over some potheads who were completely fine with destroying the entire earth.
Amon is the reason I stopped watching Korra. I mean, I never really liked Korra when it was starting anyways, but I don't see Amon as the bad guy, It's kinda like the Magneto problem, only worse. Seriously, the non-benders are pretty much second class citizens. Benders ran the police, the Avatar, The Mafia, and all the government positions (I think) and the muggles have pretty much no way of defending themselves.
Also, who at this point doesn't want that rabbit to get some trix?
Cabin in the woods. Full stop. I mean, I get what they were going for, with the satirizing and the deconstruction and all that, but I still wanted the gov't conspiracy guys to win over some potheads who were completely fine with destroying the entire earth.
Amon is the reason I stopped watching Korra. I mean, I never really liked Korra when it was starting anyways, but I don't see Amon as the bad guy, It's kinda like the Magneto problem, only worse. Seriously, the non-benders are pretty much second class citizens. Benders ran the police, the Avatar, The Mafia, and all the government positions (I think) and the muggles have pretty much no way of defending themselves.
Also, who at this point doesn't want that rabbit to get some trix?
Kane (and by extension the Brotherhood) from Command and Conquer.
They want to bring forth a new era for mankind by harnessing the power of Tiberium, a virtually limitless and easily harvestable source of every mineral on earth that regenerates.
GDI created Blue zones for the rich and wealthy and shunted the unlucky ones to Yellow or Red zones, and then contented to play politics within their borders rather than help the people who were being transformed or dying.
Kane is (implied) to be an immortal alien who has been pulling humanity's strings for decades and has been alluded to being Kane from the tale of Kane and Abel (also implying he's been around since the beginning of humanity). It's hinted that Kane is an alien exile who manipulated an entire species in order to build a gate to get back to the stars.
They want to bring forth a new era for mankind by harnessing the power of Tiberium, a virtually limitless and easily harvestable source of every mineral on earth that regenerates.
GDI created Blue zones for the rich and wealthy and shunted the unlucky ones to Yellow or Red zones, and then contented to play politics within their borders rather than help the people who were being transformed or dying.
Kane is (implied) to be an immortal alien who has been pulling humanity's strings for decades and has been alluded to being Kane from the tale of Kane and Abel (also implying he's been around since the beginning of humanity). It's hinted that Kane is an alien exile who manipulated an entire species in order to build a gate to get back to the stars.
I think it'd be a generally better thing if the bad guys won more often. Not all the time, but more often.
It adds spice.
I can't think of a particular example, but yes, I do root for specific bad guys sometimes.
It adds spice.
I can't think of a particular example, but yes, I do root for specific bad guys sometimes.
That's a bit unfair. I'm not necessarily criticizing you for your view of the movies you've seen, but painting all of the Bond villains the same way, and all interpretations of Bond the same way, when you have only seen 1 and some of his movies is a bit unfair.Guy_of_wonder said:
That said, it's odd you picked Goldeneye as an example, as that movie is rather blatant about the fact that Bond is NOT someone to be admired. The speech he receives from M calling him a relic of the Cold War, the speech he receives from Natalya about being cold, even the villain speeches, all serve to show Bond's flaws quite well.
...Sorry. Bit of a Bond fan. Have and have watched every movie. Carry on.
Ya... I really didn't get this. The movie was great, and then the ending happened. I can kind of understand Marty doing it simply because he was talking about how humanity needed to be knocked down a peg (or something to that extent) because we are shitty, but I don't get the girl randomly deciding to. I can't tell if the movie's message was "look at how stupid pot smokers are -they'd kill us all if they had the chance!" or "humanity sucks and we all need to die." I would've liked them to overthrow the ancient ones, but barring that, I was pretty on board with them needing to die. Crappy situation, but necessary.DaWaffledude said:
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It would depend. I can't think of anything specific, but if both the protagonist and antagonist are equally fleshed out enough, then I think it would open up to some neat possibilities. Death Note, for instance, could've worked with either side winning. It depends on how both sides are portrayed, otherwise the villain winning would be cruel and mean-spirited, and not in a good way.
