Help me build a gaming computer!

[ShinyCharizard]

One last thing considering your budget is $1900 I would push that graphics card up from the GTX 760 to a 770 or even 780.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

snip

The second list is the better choice.

Thank you for responding, so definitely go with the second choice?

Yes definitely the second. Also you should heed AWAR's advice and don't go with watercooling, it's more for enthusiasts looking to seriously overclock.

What would you suggest in place of the water cooling unit

Just to chime in, AWAR and the shiny one are spot on. Stock HSF (heatsink and fan) will do fine and on the 3570K you can reliably OC them to 4Ghz without needing to replace it. Also, to be honest, when it comes to those closed loop water cooling units, the small ones are no better than a good aftermarket HSF, such as the one ShinyCharizard mentioned (and the HSFs are around 1/4-1/3 the price). If you do go the liquid cooling, you'd want to be aiming at something like the H90 or better or the equivalent from other manufacturers OR just sac up and go for a full open loop system (and deal with the monthly maintenance of the system)... but unless you live on the sun or are doing some hardcore OCing, it's a waste of money - people are getting OCs of around 5Ghz on 3570Ks using aftermarket HSFs.

Oh yeah, on the HDD... Greens are mass storage HDDs so if you plan to install anything on the HDD rather than the SDD forget using a Green or a Red (same thing but tweaked for NAS units). If you're planning on staying with WD then you're looking at a Black which can get pricy. A 2TB Seagate Barracuda should run about the same price as the Green but usefulfor more things than just mass storage.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

One last thing considering your budget is $1900 I would push that graphics card up from the GTX 760 to a 770 or even 780.

Yeah, a 3570K + 770 will have wayyyy the fuck more gaming grunt than a 3770 + 760

 

[Quiet Stranger]

snip

The second list is the better choice.

Thank you for responding, so definitely go with the second choice?

Yes definitely the second. Also you should heed AWAR's advice and don't go with watercooling, it's more for enthusiasts looking to seriously overclock.

What would you suggest in place of the water cooling unit

Just to chime in, AWAR and the shiny one are spot on. Stock HSF (heatsink and fan) will do fine and on the 3570K you can reliably OC them to 4Ghz without needing to replace it. Also, to be honest, when it comes to those closed loop water cooling units, the small ones are no better than a good aftermarket HSF, such as the one ShinyCharizard mentioned (and the HSFs are around 1/4-1/3 the price). If you do go the liquid cooling, you'd want to be aiming at something like the H90 or better or the equivalent from other manufacturers OR just sac up and go for a full open loop system (and deal with the monthly maintenance of the system)... but unless you live on the sun or are doing some hardcore OCing, it's a waste of money - people are getting OCs of around 5Ghz on 3570Ks using aftermarket HSFs.

Oh yeah, on the HDD... Greens are mass storage HDDs so if you plan to install anything on the HDD rather than the SDD forget using a Green or a Red (same thing but tweaked for NAS units). If you're planning on staying with WD then you're looking at a Black which can get pricy. A 2TB Seagate Barracuda should run about the same price as the Green but usefulfor more things than just mass storage.

Well I'm don't even know the difference between a Solid State Drive and a regular Hard Drive, why would I have a hard drive if I have a solid state drive (be patient with me, I AM new to this)and aren't hard drives made for mass storage? I do have lots of games on Steam I'd need some wheres to put.

Remember I have never done this before so it's all greek to me

 

[AWAR]

Well I'm don't even know the difference between a Solid State Drive and a regular Hard Drive, why would I have a hard drive if I have a solid state drive (be patient with me, I AM new to this)and aren't hard drives made for mass storage? I do have lots of games on Steam I'd need some wheres to put.

Remember I have never done this before so it's all greek to me

Ok first off take a look at this guide. It should give you a general idea about hardware.
A solid state drive is an updated form of data storage really. It has no moving parts and it's extremely fast. Moving large files, booting, loading games and launching programs takes seconds, they don't really offer gaming performance gains though.

The downside is that they are much more expensive per gigabyte than normal drives so unless you want to be limited at 120GB you'd want a second hard drive to dump the bulk of your files (music, videos, files etc). The size of the second one should be determined by your needs. If you are a download junky I'd suggest 1tb or more. If you don't have many files then 500gb or 250gb would be enough.

 

[Quiet Stranger]

Well I'm don't even know the difference between a Solid State Drive and a regular Hard Drive, why would I have a hard drive if I have a solid state drive (be patient with me, I AM new to this)and aren't hard drives made for mass storage? I do have lots of games on Steam I'd need some wheres to put.

Remember I have never done this before so it's all greek to me

Ok first off take a look at this guide. It should give you a general idea about hardware.
A solid state drive is an updated form of computer storage really. It has no moving parts and it's extremely fast. Moving large files, booting, loading games and launching programs takes seconds, they don't really offer gaming performance gains though.

The downside is that they are much more expensive per gigabyte than normal drives so unless you want to be limited at 120GB you'd want a second hard drive to dump the bulk of your files (music, videos, files etc). The size of the second one should be determined by your needs. If you are a download junky I'd suggest 1tb. If you don't have many files then 500gb or 250gb would be enough.

What do you mean by second one? (I really need to actually look at this list again)

 

[AWAR]

-
What do you mean by second one? (I really need to actually look at this list again)

I think I made it pretty clear. 120 gigabytes is not enough for the OS's files (20- 25 gigabytes) and a medium sized gaming library (mine for example exceeds 100gb).
Because of that, you will need a second data storage device along with the kingston 120gb SSD, your second build already includes a WD 2tb Green hard drive.

 

[Quiet Stranger]

-
What do you mean by second one? (I really need to actually look at this list again)

I think I made it pretty clear. 120 gigabytes is not enough for the OS's files (20- 25 gigabytes) and a medium sized gaming library (mine for example exceeds 100gb).
Because of that, you will need a second data storage device along with the kingston 120gb SSD, your second build already includes a WD 2tb Green hard drive.

Okay sorry I'm still new at this and (Now I am just strictly talking about the second list) when yous aid second one I was thinking if you meant I have a second hard drive on my second list of parts. So I'm assuming this means I have two hard drives in the second list computer? I always just thought computers came with just one hard drive, remember I have never done this before and every PC I've ever had was pre built.

 

[AWAR]

-snip

No problem, I mentioned a second hard drive while I should have said a second data storage device.

But yeah, the second list has 2 data storage devices: The kingston 120 GB Solid State Drive and the 2tb WD Green regular Hard Drive. Now, 2 terabytes (~2000gb) might be useless if you are not downloading stuff all the time, so the 500gb version would do just fine.

 

[Quiet Stranger]

-snip

No problem, I mentioned a second hard drive while I should have said a second data storage device.

But yeah, the second list has 2 data storage devices: The kingston 120 GB Solid State Drive and the 2tb WD Green regular Hard Drive. Now, 2 terabytes (~2000gb) might be useless if you are not downloading stuff all the time, so the 500gb version would do just fine.

Okay so down to the nitty gritty and to get to the bottom of all this, you are saying that with the second list I'm good for storage? I don't need to worry? (I have nothing in terms of gaming on a PC) You were worrying me when you said I'd need another hard drive.

In terms of graphic powers and "gaming grunt" what would you change in that list, I know I said I have a 1,900 budget but now that I see how good that second list is for only 1,600 I would like to keep my budget around there, there still is the building fees.

 

[AWAR]

-snip

you are saying that with the second list I'm good for storage? I don't need to worry? (I have nothing in terms of gaming on a PC) You were worrying me when you said I'd need another hard drive.

In my opinion you will have trouble with just 120gb so a second drive is necessary. If you are just going to game on this machine, you won't really need more than 500gb. So instead of the 2tb one get a 500gb WD green (or black) as a second drive.

In terms of graphic powers and "gaming grunt" what would you change in that list, I know I said I have a 1,900 budget but now that I see how good that second list is for only 1,600 I would like to keep my budget around there

Nothing. It's a good enough list overall. If you want to save some money throw out the water cooling unit (the Corsair h60).

there still is the building fees.

There are building fees?? If they charge you more than 20$, take your business elsewhere. Most shops do that for free (at least where I come from).

 

[Quiet Stranger]

-snip

you are saying that with the second list I'm good for storage? I don't need to worry? (I have nothing in terms of gaming on a PC) You were worrying me when you said I'd need another hard drive.

In my opinion you will have trouble with just 120gb so a second drive is necessary. If are just going to game on this machine, you won't really need more than 500gb. So get a 500gb WD green (or black) as a second drive.

In terms of graphic powers and "gaming grunt" what would you change in that list, I know I said I have a 1,900 budget but now that I see how good that second list is for only 1,600 I would like to keep my budget around there

Nothing. It's a good enough list overall. If you want to save some money throw out the water cooling unit (the Corsair h60).

there still is the building fees.

There are building fees?? If they charge you more than 20$, take your business elsewhere. Most shops do that for free (at least where I come from).

But isn't my second drive the one with 2TBs?

 

[ShinyCharizard]

-snip

you are saying that with the second list I'm good for storage? I don't need to worry? (I have nothing in terms of gaming on a PC) You were worrying me when you said I'd need another hard drive.

In my opinion you will have trouble with just 120gb so a second drive is necessary. If are just going to game on this machine, you won't really need more than 500gb. So get a 500gb WD green (or black) as a second drive.

In terms of graphic powers and "gaming grunt" what would you change in that list, I know I said I have a 1,900 budget but now that I see how good that second list is for only 1,600 I would like to keep my budget around there

Nothing. It's a good enough list overall. If you want to save some money throw out the water cooling unit (the Corsair h60).

there still is the building fees.

There are building fees?? If they charge you more than 20$, take your business elsewhere. Most shops do that for free (at least where I come from).

But isn't my second drive the one with 2TBs?

Yes currently your second drive is the 2TB western digital one listed. Personally I'd drop that down to a 1TB western digital black version

 

[Quiet Stranger]

-snip

you are saying that with the second list I'm good for storage? I don't need to worry? (I have nothing in terms of gaming on a PC) You were worrying me when you said I'd need another hard drive.

In my opinion you will have trouble with just 120gb so a second drive is necessary. If are just going to game on this machine, you won't really need more than 500gb. So get a 500gb WD green (or black) as a second drive.

In terms of graphic powers and "gaming grunt" what would you change in that list, I know I said I have a 1,900 budget but now that I see how good that second list is for only 1,600 I would like to keep my budget around there

Nothing. It's a good enough list overall. If you want to save some money throw out the water cooling unit (the Corsair h60).

there still is the building fees.

There are building fees?? If they charge you more than 20$, take your business elsewhere. Most shops do that for free (at least where I come from).

But isn't my second drive the one with 2TBs?

Yes currently your second drive is the 2TB western digital one listed. Personally I'd drop that down to a 1TB western digital black version

So basically I don't need another drive?

 

[AWAR]

-snip

I think we are digging through it a bit too much, considering your technical illiteracy. I modified the list for you:

Spoiler

Cooler Master Storm Scout II SGC-2100-GWN1 Gaming Mid Tower - ATX, 3x5.25" Drive Bays, 7x3.5" Drive Bays, 2x2.5" Drive Bays, 4xUSB Ports, 2xAudio Ports, 7xExp Slots, 1x120mm Fan, Gunmetal

Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B Desktop Memory Kit - 8GB (2x 4GB), PC3-12800, DDR3-1600MHz, 9-9-9-24 CAS Latency, Intel XMP Ready, Unbuffered

MSI Z77A-G45 Intel 7 Series Motherboard - ATX, Socket H2 (LGA1155), Intel Z77 Express, 2667MHz DDR3 (O.C.), SATA III (6Gb/s), RAID, 8-CH Audio, Gigabit LAN, USB 3.0, PCIe 3.0, SLI/CrossFireX Ready

Intel Core i5-3570K BX806237i53570K Processor - Quad Core, 6MB L3 Cache, 3.40GHz (3.80GHz Max Turbo), Socket H2 (LGA1155), 77W, Fan, Unlocked, Retail

OCZ ModXStream Pro Power Supply - 700-Watt, Modular, Dual +12V Rails, SATA, 80Plus


WD Caviar Black 1TB Desktop Hard Drive - WD1002FAEX

Kingston V300 SV300S37A/120G 120GB Solid State Drive - 2.5" Form Factor, SATA III, Up To 450MB/s Read Speed, Up To 450MB/s Write Speed, With Adapter

GeForce GTX 760 Superclocked Video Card

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium

and last but not least an Asus DVD drive

 

[Quiet Stranger]

-snip

I think we are digging through it a bit too much, considering your technical illiteracy. I modified the list for you:

Spoiler

Cooler Master Storm Scout II SGC-2100-GWN1 Gaming Mid Tower - ATX, 3x5.25" Drive Bays, 7x3.5" Drive Bays, 2x2.5" Drive Bays, 4xUSB Ports, 2xAudio Ports, 7xExp Slots, 1x120mm Fan, Gunmetal

Corsair Vengeance CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B Desktop Memory Kit - 8GB (2x 4GB), PC3-12800, DDR3-1600MHz, 9-9-9-24 CAS Latency, Intel XMP Ready, Unbuffered

MSI Z77A-G45 Intel 7 Series Motherboard - ATX, Socket H2 (LGA1155), Intel Z77 Express, 2667MHz DDR3 (O.C.), SATA III (6Gb/s), RAID, 8-CH Audio, Gigabit LAN, USB 3.0, PCIe 3.0, SLI/CrossFireX Ready

Intel Core i5-3570K BX806237i53570K Processor - Quad Core, 6MB L3 Cache, 3.40GHz (3.80GHz Max Turbo), Socket H2 (LGA1155), 77W, Fan, Unlocked, Retail

OCZ ModXStream Pro Power Supply - 700-Watt, Modular, Dual +12V Rails, SATA, 80Plus


WD Caviar Black 1TB Desktop Hard Drive - WD1002FAEX

Kingston V300 SV300S37A/120G 120GB Solid State Drive - 2.5" Form Factor, SATA III, Up To 450MB/s Read Speed, Up To 450MB/s Write Speed, With Adapter

GeForce GTX 760 Superclocked Video Card

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium

and last but not least an Asus DVD drive

Okay... I don't see a difference (though it looks shorter) should I get that second list or not and do I need another storage device or not? That's all I want to know now, do I need another storage device, yes or no? I thought I already had a 2TB hard drive along with the Solid State Drive

 

[AWAR]

-snip

Everything you need is in the list I made, the difference with the original list is the replacement of the 2TB hard drive with a 1TB model, and the removal of the water cooling kit. That means that now you have a 120gb SSD and a secondary 1TB hard drive.
So yeah, go ahead with that list.

 

[Quiet Stranger]

-snip

Everything you need is in the list I made, the difference with the original list is the replacement of the 2TB hard drive with a 1TB model, and the removal of the water cooling kit. That means that now you have a 120gb SSD and a secondary 1TB hard drive.
So yeah, go ahead with that list.

Okay thank you, sorru for all the stupidity and I'm sorry if I caused any frustration for you but I do appreciate all your help

 

[ShinyCharizard]

-snip

Everything you need is in the list I made, the difference with the original list is the replacement of the 2TB hard drive with a 1TB model, and the removal of the water cooling kit. That means that now you have a 120gb SSD and a secondary 1TB hard drive.
So yeah, go ahead with that list.

Okay thank you, sorru for all the stupidity and I'm sorry if I caused any frustration for you but I do appreciate all your help

Yeah I'll second going ahead with that list. It's a good set of components.