Here we go again: Anita Sarkeesian and the gaming community

[sageoftruth]

I apologize to derailing this while debating with other people. So please focus on the subject at hand, mainly that there is a petition that wants Anita Sarkeesian out of her consultant position with EA for Mirror's Edge 2.

Edit: Also if you are gonna report me, at least try to face me in a debate. I dislike it when people see a debate and look at it as harassment. Also if I harassed you, speak up so I can apologize.

Wow. I come back and so much has happened on this thread. I'll try not to lose track of all that has been said. Also, no need to apologize. I think I'm the one who kicked off this derailment by bringing up TotalBiscuit. Feel free not to comment if continuing on this subject will get us in trouble with the moderators.

Anyway, sticking to my point from earlier, I don't believe disabling comments on youtube means one isn't open for debate. I certainly know TB would be open for a civil debate, considering all the open discussions he's had with various other people from outside his inner circle.
I'd certainly be disappointed in Anita if she turned this down without a very good reason, since it would be far more productive for both of them than the repeated "sniping" as you mentioned earlier, that seems to be going back and forth between the groups. I had actually heard TB's comments about some of Anita's reports and that was what made me think of this in the first place. I haven't been following her videos much, but I wondered if they were as bad as he made them sound in that brief comment about them. A one-one-one discussion would help clear that up for all of us. Not everyone would accept the results, but even a small step away from the mess we're in right now works for me.

 

[Rahkshi500]

Ah ok than. Thanks for that. Thread closed dudes and dudettes. Go home. Nah not really. Discuss away guys, I don't want to censor you. Trolololol. As far as I am concerned, the petition and video, showed in the beginning, just prove the lengths some people go to smear Anita Sarkeesian for daring to talk about videogames. And with that I declare this thread purged, burned. For the Glory of the God-Emperor.

I personally wouldn't mind or care if you close this thread. It likely won't go anywhere now that we know the truth. Plus, there will be more threads of this topic in the future anyway.

 

[Worgen]

I think it's a horrible idea of them to use her as a consultant, and i signed the petition, she's very much allowed her opinion and radical views, but i think she has little to contribute to gaming, and don't see her as a person who's ideas are worth taking into account. But alas, it's their call, maybe it will be interesting to see what sort of game comes out if it gets sanitized through her filter.

Captcha: Practice makes perfect.

Well at least captcha has positive expectations.

What are these radical views? If you would enlighten me.

 

[deathbydeath]

I want to have all the villains wearing beards and Trilbys, and when they die they explode in clouds of cheeto dust.

I'm down with this.

OP: I honestly don't care. The writing in ME was scrub-tier, and Anita can't bring it down much further (don't get me wrong, I love ME, but the writing is not good at all). If Anita got her hands on female leads worth a damn like Terra Branford, Fall-From-Grace, or Jade then I'd be up in arms in an instant, but there isn't much of a chance Anita's efforts will be felt given the circumstances.

 

[Something Amyss]

I care very little. Even if she made the game herself, it still wouldn't influence me.

Before we get to everyone brandishing their torches and pitchforks, I'd just like to point out that the last instance of a high-profile developer listening to Sarkeesian's criticism/views was Saints Row IV [https://www.google.com/search?q=saints+row+iv+anita+sarkeesian&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a&channel=np&source=hp], and anybody who has played that game knows how it turned out.

I wonder, though, would people have liked it if they had known that at the time. Remember, this only really came up after TVW and during the promotion of Gat out of Hell.

Also:

Spoiler: SRIV plot

It's no coincidence that the game where they listen to Anita has the world blow up.

I mean, typical feminist, right?

TB also seems to show a bit more of an idiotic side with the Target thing, saying that the Target decision is anti-consumer.

Honestly, I suspect if not for the GG/ERMAGERD FEMINISTS thing, TB would side with Target. Not because it's the "right" thing, but because TB has routinely been pro-corporate unless it might directly impact him, and then he will 180 pretty rapidly.

Speaking of 180s, it's disappointing that I'm seeing a lot of the same people who were against the Target petition now suddenly in favour of petitions again.

Anyway, more to the point as far as SRIV goes, there were still big tits and juvenile weapons (including a probe weapon[footnote]not available in Australia, and this isn't a joke based on the Target thing[/footnote] and a tentacle bat), nudity, crudeness, and everything people are worried Anita will take out of games. So the major point is you can listen to criticism without totally gutting everything.

Unless Anita's responsible for the game still having content more appropriate to an expansion pack than a full game, but I actually have no idea how that would tie to Anita, femimism, or TVW. But yeah, if this is the horrible, bleak future of games run by our feminist overladies, I say sign me up.

 

[Haerthan]

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Yes I believe it would be nice if such a thing would happen. The whole one on one discussion between those two. But something tells me it would be futile. Also don't worry about the derailment, it was just one dude who reported me for "harassment". Again I APOLOGIZE TO ALL I "HARASSED".

 

[IceForce]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/528.866596.21668254

The video in the OP has been debunked. This thread should be closed.

Ah ok than. Thanks for that. Thread closed dudes and dudettes. Go home. Nah not really. Discuss away guys, I don't want to censor you. Trolololol. As far as I am concerned, the petition and video, showed in the beginning, just prove the lengths some people go to smear Anita Sarkeesian for daring to talk about videogames. And with that I declare this thread purged, burned. For the Glory of the God-Emperor.

Well, I guess in lieu of closing the thread, you could always edit that other video into your OP, to ensure people have all the details.

A link to the relevant part: http://youtu.be/ah8mhDW6Shs?t=6m15s

 

[Haerthan]

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Also:

Spoiler: SRIV plot

It's no coincidence that the game where they listen to Anita has the world blow up.

I mean, typical feminist, right?

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So TB is pro-corporate usually? Well that I didn't know. That lessens my respect for the man even more. Well I unsubbed from him anyways. I can deal with a difference of opinion, but when I dislike it when people 180 it like that.

 

[Something Amyss]

FFS. Anita didn't even WRITE her Tropes Vs Women show. A man by the name of Johnathan McIntosh does (aka @radicalbytes on twitter). It's even on his profile that he both produces and writes the show.

Co-writes. Which doesn't indicate Anita doesn't write TVW, it indicates she doesn't write it alone. It took all of twelve seconds to do the research on that.

She's having a hand in "making her own game" what more do people want, oh yeah forgot, burnt to death in a chemical fire. For got how the internet works, carry on, sorry I left my virgin sacrifice at home.

I've got sacred cows for sale, if you're interested in leaving an offering.

DISCLAIMER: SACRED COW QUANTITIES LIMITED. TO ZERO.

I'm more concerned over her saying that the game was too hard or something.

Also isn't she very against the idea of women using violence, since its a masculine trait?

[citation needed]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/528.866596.21668254

The video in the OP has been debunked. This thread should be closed.

Oh, come on, we're not going to let a little thing like facts get in our way, are we?

 

[Haerthan]

Well the OP has been edited, please look at the video. Some people have no life if they go to such great lengths to smear one person. Remind me never to become a gaming journalist/ critic. Cause I might go insane with all the BS.

Captcha: French Toast. What does have to do with a Hawaiian vacation? NOTHING I SAY.

 

[Evil Smurf]

Yes, go Anita! We need some feminism to kick the arse of the bigots in the gaming community. Also if this upsets you, you're a bigot.

 

[Ieyke]

It's not that Sarkeesian doesn't have a point(or several, really), it's that she's just utterly worthless at actually MAKING those points. She'd be vaguely worthwhile if she ever managed to cite examples that ARE examples, instead of things she clearly doesn't understand that in no way support her arguments.

So, fine, whatever. Let her work on Mirror's Edge 2. She'd have to find a totally different way to fuck that up, so maybe she'll get it right instead?

Also, it's just Mirror's Edge 2. Not exactly a huge loss if it ends up terrible.

 

[Something Amyss]

So TB is pro-corporate usually? Well that I didn't know. That lessens my respect for the man even more. Well I unsubbed from him anyways. I can deal with a difference of opinion, but when I dislike it when people 180 it like that.

I can't say what he's been up to lately, as I usubbed well before he said anything about GG. I think he's a bit of a tool, but he did flip on more than a couple issues. My favourite was on IP rights. But, I mean, if you go through his old shows, I'm pretty sure the pattern is pretty evident.

anyway, enough about that. Let us celebrate Anita's non-involvement by looking at a scene from the Saints Row game her criticism totally ruined.

 

[FirstNameLastName]

I'm not sure why she's coming on, as far as i know she has no background in game development or writing for games.
If she just on to give a yay/nay to make it feminist approved then that is somewhat troubling. Not for the who "SJW taking our games," thing, but because it seems like an outright admission that they have no grasp on female representation, and as such they have to resort to bringing other people on.

Despite Anita's rather over zealous aspects and ludicrous ideas, some of the ideas she expresses are reasonably true, and shouldn't really require an expert on the matter (whether or not she's an expert is rather questionable).

If this were anything more than a rumor i would declare that it is probably a publicity stunt for attention towards a mediocre game. But since it has already been established in this thread as incorrect, it would appear to be a non issue.

 

[EternallyBored]

FFS. Anita didn't even WRITE her Tropes Vs Women show. A man by the name of Johnathan McIntosh does (aka @radicalbytes on twitter). It's even on his profile that he both produces and writes the show.

Co-writes. Which doesn't indicate Anita doesn't write TVW, it indicates she doesn't write it alone. It took all of twelve seconds to do the research on that.

Is it just me, or does this particular conspiracy theory come off as kind of extra insulting to Anita. It's never that their co-conspirators, or that they are both frauds, no, the conspiracy makes her out to be some kind of puppet for a guy who doesn't even come off as that eloquent from everything I've read of his since finding out about him.

Why does this particular conspiracy always have him as the defacto head? Like Anita is completely incapable of having or changing any sort of opinion on her own without some kind of shady puppet master standing behind her. She is apparently a goalless rube who just dances to the tune of another person, you know, rather than any sane option like maybe they both had similar beliefs, or they actually are working together.

Seriously, she can still be a fraud without being tricked into it by some kind of mastermind, one she fully credits as a co-writer on her work and doesn't try to hide the existence of at all.

 

[Something Amyss]

Is it just me, or does this particular conspiracy theory come off as kind of extra insulting to Anita. It's never that their co-conspirators, or that they are both frauds, no, the conspiracy makes her out to be some kind of puppet for a guy who doesn't even come off as that eloquent from everything I've read of his since finding out about him.

Why does this particular conspiracy always have him as the defacto head? Like Anita is completely incapable of having or changing any sort of opinion on her own without some kind of shady puppet master standing behind her. She is apparently a goalless rube who just dances to the tune of another person, you know, rather than any sane option like maybe they both had similar beliefs, or they actually are working together.

Seriously, she can still be a fraud without being tricked into it by some kind of mastermind, one she fully credits as a co-writer on her work and doesn't try to hide the existence of at all.

I'm not sure why you're surprised that a bunch of people who get outraged because a dull woman makes bland criticism about games wouldn't expect a woman to be capable of coming up with the idea. To borrow from one of the great philosophers of the ages:

 

[Platypus540]

On the one hand, I can't imagine that she would have much negative effect on a game that's basically just about a woman kicking ass.

On the other, I really, really don't like Sarkeesian, (I've avoided her for the most part but what I've seen tends to show general ignorance of how games work) and the fact that she's working on a sequel to a game I loved is not a good thing for me.

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

Well, the writing for the first game was utter trash, so it's not like it can get any worse.

I find Anita to be a useless human being, but this really isn't a development anyone should be mad about.

 

[Tsun Tzu]

Well...I didn't buy the first one and don't at all care about the sequel.

Sooooo, you have at it, Sarky.

 

[Haerthan]

Well, the writing for the first game was utter trash, so it's not like it can get any worse.

I find Anita to be a useless human being, but this really isn't a development anyone should be mad about.

I understand you might not like Anita dude, but saying she's useless? No she is not, and that is veering a bit close to trolling. She criticizes games. That in of itself isn't useless.