If it's the video I think it is, stop referencing it, no matter how obliquely. Some people don't even want to know, and the Mods would crack down pretty hard as well.
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People think the good old days were better, more civil. That society is descending into barbarism. It isn't. It's just smaller. The internet is turning the world into a single neighbourhood, and it turns out some of our neighbours are Ax Crazy.
Fair point. When reality comes into play, many people want to feel involved or like they are making a difference, however in the case I am putting forward here (I know it doesn't help because I'm not specifying, though that's the point) many people seek out the opportunity to witness extreme violence and cruelty to another human. Whether it be to scare the shit out of themselves, to spiral into depression or to just stare slack jawed at how uncaring and brutal we can be to one another, what drives our curioisities to this extent and what becomes of us IF this kind of video becomes more and more commonplace to the point where we, one day, may walk past a person bleeding to death in the street without a second thought? I'm not saying we'll descend into barbarism, yet the way people seem to seek out this kind of material is a little disturbing do you not think?atalanta said:
Awesome, this is the first post I haven't had to counter-quote on. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for injecting a little shock therapy into the session, no sarcasm intended(I know how easily it gets mixed up these days). This is PRECISELY the point I am trying to make here. A lot of kids think it's 'cool' and 'edgy' to be a 'sociopath' without actually having a clue what it is these days. Violence is funny, inject a little 'dark humour', it gets funnier. Really? Even with content like this? Doubtful, this is the knock on the head that no one wants.Swollen Goat said:
You, sir, have simplified much of what I've been aiming for in this thread in one sentence, much appreciated.
Yes humanity is cruel at the moment. Joke all you want. When something truly horrific rolls around, don't fucking dare joke about it. Some things just cannot be taken lightly.
I'm glad someone took the time to tap(what I thought was) the simple meaning of this thread.
Hence why my references have been so vague. This is a place for discussion, correct? There's little the mods can do when I'm not giving away much to this particular... obscenity and when it's igniting some dicussion. As I've already warned, those who might've have caught on to what it is are suggested to leave, along with those who do not wish to discuss it. While it's not pleasant it's very real, some people may have an opinion to offer.MelasZepheos said:
Alright, now that I've got a better grasp on what's actually being discussed --SmartIdiot said:
As has been pointed out, a certain portion of the population is going to watch shit like this and think, "AWESOME." Those people are sick in the head and not who I'm interested in talking about; I'd rather discuss the people who are both revolted and fascinated by this sort of thing. I think part of the impulse to watch things like this is that it names your fears; by giving them a shape and a name, it makes them more manageable.
I used to read a lot of true crime and look for crime scene photos because I found them perversely comforting. There was always a kind of relief seeing the damage or reading about the brutality -- sort of a sense of, "well, okay, that's bad, but it's a survivable level of bad," if that makes any sense -- being able to point to a picture and say, "look, here, this is what happens if you get shot in the leg" made the thought of getting shot in the leg less scary (not that I was seriously concerned about getting shot, but hey, I'm paranoid). If the very worst came to pass, knowing what you'd look like and how badly you'd be hurting at the end of it gives you a handle on how to deal with it.
Is this even sort of making sense? I'm not articulating this well at all, sorry.
I have a question for you, if I may. Do you rubberneck, and if you do, do you feel bad about doing it? Do you think rubbernecking and searching out stuff out like this are similar sorts of things (albeit orders of magnitude apart), or are they completely different?
The internet is....well....A tool.
You act as if the internet is some thing that has the power to corrupt or save. While it does have that power, it is only made to do so by the person wielding it.
The internet has become huge. In all instances. It is use to entertain, terrorize, save, destroy, teach, lie, spread love, spread hate...It does just about everything these days. The thing is, it can only do this if people learn how to use it as such.
Yes, perhaps some people will become twisted beyond repair, and some will become sicker than all other things before the internet. However, some people will be smarter than all others before them. Some will be better connected to others that ordinarily would have never happened.
The internet is not something that changes everything it touches. Some people stay decent on the internet. They shun and avoid things that they feel are absolutely despicable to them. Perhaps more have become twisted because of it. But perhaps that is because we remember the worst times clearer than we can remember the time in which someone helped us immensely. Perhaps things seem darker because we lack the mind to remember the lighter times with more clarity....Perhaps.
You act as if the internet is some thing that has the power to corrupt or save. While it does have that power, it is only made to do so by the person wielding it.
The internet has become huge. In all instances. It is use to entertain, terrorize, save, destroy, teach, lie, spread love, spread hate...It does just about everything these days. The thing is, it can only do this if people learn how to use it as such.
Yes, perhaps some people will become twisted beyond repair, and some will become sicker than all other things before the internet. However, some people will be smarter than all others before them. Some will be better connected to others that ordinarily would have never happened.
The internet is not something that changes everything it touches. Some people stay decent on the internet. They shun and avoid things that they feel are absolutely despicable to them. Perhaps more have become twisted because of it. But perhaps that is because we remember the worst times clearer than we can remember the time in which someone helped us immensely. Perhaps things seem darker because we lack the mind to remember the lighter times with more clarity....Perhaps.
Assuming you're referring to taking a look at a traffic accident, no. I'm usually driving and the last thing I want to look at is another smashed up car, not to mention it reminds me of people I've known who have died in crashes. I've seen this a couple of times and have just driven past hoping the person(s) involved were ok.atalanta said:
I guess they are similar in a way, it's the same curiosity that brings people to look at these things, will there be blood? There's a heavier sense of reality there when someone's seriously hurt, much like what you were talking about in your last post.
I didn't mean to come across so... dramatic. You just often find that even despite their better judgement quite a few people will still go ahead and look at something that challenges their view of the real world as a decent place. Either that or some jackass will think it's funny to post shock site links in as many places as he can just to cause outrage. Not everyone is clued-in to what you do and do not click on and where. Then you get the people who have seen something, realised it's horrible and decided to share it with people so they're not alone in their trauma.UnusualStranger said:
Also I'm not suggesting that the internet changes everything it touches, but you can't deny it's pretty much impossible to censor, not that I'm suggesting it should be, but with more people spending more and more of their recreational time on it they're going to stumble across something they didn't need to see eventually. You're right on the last part, many seem to have tendency to remember the dark stuff a lot more readily than the good stuff.
*shrug*SmartIdiot said:
Sorry, not sure how to properly convey the proper response on this internet thing. However, people are a bit more unique than most give them credit for. Shock links? While yes, some people will chase them, sometimes those are the people who do things just because they don't know what will happen. It's kinda like the "idiocy" chase, in which if the internet wasn't there, these people would do something equally stupid or shocking anyway, and share it with others.
hmm, I don't think I want to see that vid, but that sounds pretty gruesome.
I don't watch at stuff I don't want to see. It's simple, and a bit naïve perhaps, but it works.
I don't watch at stuff I don't want to see. It's simple, and a bit naïve perhaps, but it works.
hmm... if not 2 girls then is it.. the pain olymics thing? .. well at least i think that what it is .. where they guy ... no i can't sya its too bleeeuuurrrggghhhhh
aanyway ... yeah the internet is crazy, but nothing is going to change, unless governmental censoring takes place.
aanyway ... yeah the internet is crazy, but nothing is going to change, unless governmental censoring takes place.
I'm just glad I haven't got a clue what video you're talking about. I don't want to get desenzitised, which is also why I avoid porn. (Except for yaoi novels and manga, but I'm not gay, so that's okay.)
Is it listed on the "Encyclopdiadramatica" page? Is it sick that I only got offended by the animal (super)cruelty and not the human?
OT: I know what you mean, my friend sent me something that kept me up for a whole night.
OT: I know what you mean, my friend sent me something that kept me up for a whole night.
Fair point, I guess regardless of what medium is involved people will always want to 'push boundaries' I suppose.UnusualStranger said:
Yep, that's a very valid point. However do you not think when people get past the naivety of their formative years it's a good thing to try and grasp every instance we can to avoid the harsh realities of the world? Like I mentioned before, people have been doing far worse things to one another long before the idea of the internet was conceived. The only difference is now we have the technology to record it and put it up where anyone and everyone can see it. This takes perversion to a whole new level I suppose. Of course it's ugly and horrible out there, everyone is bound to experience something traumatic in their lives. This is a positive thing in the long run though because it often makes the person stronger at the end of the day. Yet if being able to witness tragedies second-hand becomes commonplace how will a younger generation learn to cope with something that directly affects them if they are so desensitised to it? Then again, perhaps this is the next step for the human race, a gruesome acceptance of the brutality people will inflict on one another.Anoctris said:
Well that was partly the point of this thread. Since it's so easy to capture and distribute footage of such things it seems to have a greater impact, usually because much of the human race doesn't get to witness it in such detail. Where will this lead us? I'm not trying to suggest we'll descend into anarchy yet we do seem to grow colder with the growing desensitasion of things.Swollen Goat said: