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black lincon

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I'd like to make an assumption. I'm going out on a limb here and am going to assume that most of the people on this site are intelligent. That being said there are a few things that just don't mix well with intelligent people, one of which being hip-hop.

Now I'd like to get you opinion on this genre of music, but before you start flaming I'd like to give a history lesson, partially because I actually like hip-hop(or some types) and generally don't like things I like getting slapped with blanket statements, but more so because there's more than one type of rap and well it goes back to the blanket statement thing.

I'm going to start at the beginning with the creation of hip-hop which is attributed to a Jamaican immigrant who got his hands on a turn table. The rise of popularity of hip-hop during this era is mostly attributed to the fact that all the other music popular in the 60's was waning in popularity and hip-hop moved in and filled in the gap in the ghettoes of New York.

(Sorry I can't find an example of this type of music. Most of it wasn't mad to be recorded. However, in future segments of rap history will have examples of the music)

During the 80's the practice of looping rhythms from other songs in order to create a beat to use during free styles was perfected. The lyrics changed from the 70's as well. During the 70's hip-hop told simple tales of the area they were from. However, in the 80's the lyrics changed to metaphoric lyrics rapping over complex, multi-layered beats. These new innovations led to the "golden age" of hip-hop during the late 80's and early 90's. during this time rap lyrics became more social conscious and advocated everything from self improvement to an all out revolution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyqp2f6VPos (Arrested Development, Mr. Wendal)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fumgOJLFSHw (Run DMC, King of Rock)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuTi9UZtPbw (Public Enemy, Fight the Power)

The "golden age" paved the way for the two most common styles of hip-hop today: gangster rap and afrocentric hip-hop(basically a throw back to the self improvement part of the "golden age"). Now the gangster-rap movement started with the album Straight Outta Compton, so if you want to blame someone for Soulja Boy blame N.W.A. now the 10 or so years were basically dominated by gangster rap while that afrocentric stuff is more recent. Now a slight sidebar while the common rap of today is generally considered gangster-rap, it's really just a bastardized version of it. Don't believe me? Just wait till the songs. Now back to the history like I said the 90's were primarily ruled by gangster rap, this led to that whole east coast/west coast feud that led to 2pac's death. The afrocentric or alternative rap really came on the scene in the new millennium with artists like Mos Def, Talib Kwali, and my favorite Asheru. Those songs were more about improving yourself and your community(generally) than killing people and selling drugs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myI7Er6VDzw (Ice-T 6N the morning, considered on of the first gangster-rap songs.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpocrqvP2Yg (Soulja boy, crank dat, warning this song may cause your ears to bleed)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBGchhijG2k (Asheru, soon come, dam good song)

Look first of all this is only a basic sum up of 30 years of history, if you want to know more, look it up, it can't hurt you. The main purpose of this little lesson was to give you enough info to differentiate between Soulja Boy and Asheru. Now the "some types" I don't like are gangster-rap. It tends to be simply vile and overall annoying. Now that being said I bet you could guess what type I do like, that's right, alternative hip-hop. It has a good beat without the horrid lyrics of gangster-rap, in fact there are certain alternative rap songs whose lyrics are nonsense, they have a certain point to make but you have to listen a few times to understand what it is(trackrunners is an excellent example of this). Although I'm sure I'll get some people who don't bother to read this and just start a flamin but I'd like to hear you opinion of the different types of hip-hop as opposed too just; "I hate Soulja Boy, he sux"
 

PersianLlama

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My cousin's have already tried this on me. Sorry, I still think all of rap/hip-hop is crap. Although the old stuff is substantially better than modern times.
 

-Seraph-

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It has never been my style of music. It just does not grip me or entertain me as much as the genres of rock, metal, blues, classical, and instrumental.

To each their own, just don't blare it in my ears...or face the wrath of 8-bit Nintendo music!!
 

Gxas

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I don't like hip-hop or rap. I'll listen to it if it is the only thing on (and by that I mean my ipod died, my computer died, all of my cds broke, and the radio tuner is stuck to KissFM).
 

ianuam

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Hmm. I dislike both, yet i would have to say i prefer rap to hip-hop. Even the older stuff, rap just seems like it requires skill in order to put together, more like modern poetry as it were. Cypress Hill and RUM DMC i'll listen to, and 'scuse any genre mix up. Modern stuff, i'll stick to my metal and indie thank you.
 

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What is Gnarls Barkley classified as? I know their music is definitely not rap, but what is it hip hop, funk, something completely different? I'm not really sure. All I know is, is that I like it.
 

EnzoHonda

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I like a lot of hip-hop and rap, but for the most part I like only one or two songs from any one artist (like a lot of songs I like). Some Snoop Dog, some Eminem, some LL Cool J, some Beastie Boys. I like a wide range of music in the genre.

bigcountry78, I'll admit I was a little concerned when I noticed the Stars and Bars in a thread about hip-hop. There is a lot of baggage with the Confederate flag. However, your post was good, and it made me realise that I still have a lot of pre-concieved notions that I have to work on. I want to thank you for making me think. (Seriously, I in no way want to be negative here, I just want to show my appreciation.)
 

zen5887

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I like hip hop, not that big on it but I don't hate it.

Writing hip hop backing tracks is pretty fun.
 

Alex_P

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black lincon post=18.74875.849090 said:
I'd like to make an assumption. I'm going out on a limb here and am going to assume that most of the people on this site are intelligent. That being said there are a few things that just don't mix well with intelligent people, one of which being hip-hop.
Translation: "white nerds love to act all superior about how they don't like hip-hop and don't know anything about it." ;)

-- Alex
 

WolfThomas

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I had a brief infatuation with hiphop (played way to much GTA SA), its over now.

But Aussie Hip-hop is very good, mostly it breaks away from cliches and is very listenable.

The Hilltop hoods are simply amazing, I've seen them in live performance and a friend who absolutely hated any hiphop/rap (in fact he use to stick his fingers in his ears and go "rap rap rap rap" in an annoying voice sometimes if played) was jumping and absolutely won over.

Hilltop Hoods, The Herd and Muph & Plutonic all very good examples.
 

Noamuth

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Aussie hip-hop is just funny. I tend to find it listenable because of that, I guess. But I don't actually own any. o.o

But I digress. Even though there may be, somewhere out there, a rap song that I might really enjoy, I am not going to force myself to listen and suffer through the loads of awful hippity-hop rap to find it. I'll pass.
 

Lord Krunk

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OverlordSteve post=18.74875.849129 said:
The Sorrow post=18.74875.849108 said:
As I like to say: "Hip-hop right along; nothing to see here."
*Applause from the crowd*
QFT.

On an unrelated note: did you know that the style for hip hop is actually derived from Blues?
 

Noamuth

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Lord Krunk post=18.74875.849918 said:
On an unrelated note: did you know that the style for hip hop is actually derived from Blues?
I do.. That makes me sad.
 

falcontwin

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I like public enemy at least some of the earlier stuff. Being a fan of punk music I like most anything with a message, and a lot of early rap stuff had a good strong ideal with a strong social commentary.

I am not a fan of modern rap be it gangster or otherwise as I don't think drug dealers are cool and I don't think guns are awesome. I also think most of the rappers today would piss their pants if they met a real coke dealer and had a gun pulled on them.
 

WolfThomas

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Noamuth post=18.74875.849905 said:
Aussie hip-hop is just funny. I tend to find it listenable because of that, I guess. But I don't actually own any. o.o

But I digress. Even though there may be, somewhere out there, a rap song that I might really enjoy, I am not going to force myself to listen and suffer through the loads of awful hippity-hop rap to find it. I'll pass.
Yeah its the larrikin humour of the hilltop hoods that I'm quite fond of.

"Hey suffa you can't sing!" "No i can't even hum a tune, but I'll make this crowd bounce like bedsprings on a honeymoon"

"Life is like Jon Howard, too short to worry about"

"The worlds a beautiful place, filled with beautiful women, and people that lack a suitable rythem, what a computer will give them, an instrument wont, its called hip hop, guess what we're the industry joke"

And the wordplay is quite skilled

"don't call me a son of *****, I'm a son of angel when the sun of the morning hits..."

"life is *****, but death is a slut, she cums for anyone" (albeit a bit crude here)


The themes of each song are quite good be it the three different aspects of a brutal mugging that "stopping all stations" or "the sentinel" which tells a story of a modern day "hotel California" situation (with a ghostly nightclub),

But ultimately its this line "I'm done keeping it real, I keep it relevant" that swayed me, it pokes fun at all the "keeping it real" hiphop (and what does that really mean?)
 

AuntyEthel

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I don't like hiphop, but I want to try be a little more subjective than saying its crap.

I personally just don't like the way the people rap. To me its just not a great vocal style, though still better than death metal. I also find the backing too simplistic and repetitive (I mean, I like the Ramones, but at least they write more than one bar of backing).

However, I do agree that some artists such as Arrested Development and the Roots do have talent, writing actual structured songs played by musicians. Its just that people such as JayZ, 50 Cent, Ja Rule etc have completely ruined it all with their arrogant dick waving lyrics, which really just scream retarded. And Timbaland, the fatwat.