Homefront, implosibility in games.

[artanis_neravar]

The backstory is very possible, it is just improbable (which was their intention)

The idea of Earth being hit and destroyed by a massive gamma ray in the next 10 min also isn't impossible, just improbable.

See where this argument falls apart?

Not at all, your example is just a rehash of my argument.

 

[artanis_neravar]

The backstory is very possible, it is just improbable (which was their intention)

The idea of Earth being hit and destroyed by a massive gamma ray in the next 10 min also isn't impossible, just improbable.

See where this argument falls apart?

Not at all, your example is just a rehash of my argument.

How so?

Its not just the basic plot that doesn't make sense, nothing in the backstory makes any sense either. So peoples claims that "if one thing happens then the next can happen as well" doesn't make any sense.

which part of this doesn't make sense and why?

In 2013, one year after the succession of Kim Jong-Il, North Korean leader Kim Jong-un reunites North and South Korea to form the Greater Korean Republic. The influence of China and the United States decline in the face of continued economic stagnation and a war between Iran and Saudi Arabia disrupting Middle East oil supply, while Europe is cut off by a Russian-Ukrainian "mutual interest" deal. As the United States withdraws overseas troops to deal with domestic instability, including the Texas secession detate and an outbreak of bird flu known as the Knoxville Cough, the Greater Korean Republic annexes Japan and several Southeast Asian countries. By 2022, the United States economic began to downfall, reducing into a bleak stake country. Finally, in 2025, a satellite, launched under the cover of a program to replace the decaying Global Positioning System, detonates a nuclear electromagnetic pulse over the continental United States. The destruction of above-ground electronics across the country is followed by troop landings in Hawaii and San Francisco, paratrooper droppings across the Midwest, and the irradiation of the Mississippi River to divide the United States. The American military remains isolated and scattered.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Yes because space marines blowing up alines and robots is totally possible and legitimate for games but Korea invading America is just too far.

Suspension of disbelief usually works for me so long as they don't violate their own rules or pull something stupid out of their asses. If I can believe in samurai in space with laser swords fighting Nazis (lol, Star Wars) then I can believe that America could be occupied in some alternate universe.

 

[FFHAuthor]

You sir are either a non-gun owner or a foreigner. More than 50% of Americans own firearms, and Most of them are good shots. America's primary defensive doctrine is based on these two simple truths. 1) Most Americans own gun 2) Veterans are everywhere. In the event of a invasion of the contiguous 48 the citizenry would respond en-force and would have local veterans to lead them

Yes, on a serious note that is one of the Department of Defense's dirty little secrets for National Defense.

 

[Redem]

basicly the story of homefront is like if only two trends existed in the entire world "the USA is going down" and North Korea is becoming that unstopable jugggernaut" nothing else in the world happen that could interfere with those two trends

 

[Blaster395]

Despite their small size, I would say they are in the top 10. They have such emphasis on military spending that they can cause a lot of destruction if they wished. Its likely they are a nuclear power.

Now imagine similar emphasis on military but controlled half of Asia.

 

[Redem]

Despite their small size, I would say they are in the top 10. They have such emphasis on military spending that they can cause a lot of destruction if they wished. Its likely they are a nuclear power.

Now imagine similar emphasis on military but controlled half of Asia.

The problem is that if North Korea occupy half of Asia where do they pull people to occupy the U.S? A lot of people probably would probably be pissed in Asia at Koreans taking over things and it turn out that most people in Asia haven't live in isolation over the last 60+ years getting propaganda like N.K

 

[winter2]

Thoughts? Comments? Random flames of hate?

Just because some civilians own guns doesn't mean they're going to be particularly effective with them, if I'm quite frank and this idea that America being invaded makes the game unrealistic is quite annoying, as America was orginally invaded as its primary form of settlement. That's kind of how it started, I would be completly unsurprised to see it happen again.

You sir are either a non-gun owner or a foreigner. More than 50% of Americans own firearms, and Most of them are good shots. America's primary defensive doctrine is based on these two simple truths. 1) Most Americans own gun 2) Veterans are everywhere. In the event of a invasion of the contiguous 48 the citizenry would respond en-force and would have local veterans to lead them

I apologize, but I have to take issue with this.

First off, where are you getting your information from that most gun owners are good shots? Also, in your mind, what constitutes a good shooter?

Secondly, to assume that a bunch of civilians that just happen to know which way to point their weapon would do much against a determined enemy (even if led by veterans) is simply preposterous. A modern army would simply annihilate any civilians that stood against them and move on with a shrug and a song in their heart.

Also, I seriously doubt any of my neighbors would be able to stand up to the mental and physical rigors of a modern combat scenario. I am sorry, but what you are claiming is just fanciful dreaming.

And before you start to assume anything, I am a veteran myself.

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

The story was shit.

...And? Is this NEW for videogames? You can probably count the number of games with truly GOOD stories without running out of fingers. What's the big deal about THIS game's particular brand of shit? And don't say "it's really implausible", because there have DEFINITELY been less plausible stories is games before Homefront. Indigo Prophecy, for example. (From what I've heard, anyway)

Why the fuck is my captcha upside-down? How am I supposed to type this? Do I type the letters in reverse, or just type the upside-down word as if it were rightside-up?

 

[Griffolion]

So I haven't played it, but I have read up on the history of the game's universe (what little I could find) and basically N Korea fights a war with S Korea, wins and then launches a successful invasion of the USA? I know its just a game, but do highly impossible/impossible scenarios kill a games atmosphere for anyone else? I had a hard time with COD:MWII but let it slip do to the story campaign being fun. But Korea successfully invades America? I think including reserves the American Military could mobilize more people than Korea has, and even if the American government was in shambles, I think, with invasion the Military structure would take command. And I do believe that non gun owners and foreigners totally miss and dismiss the number of gun owning Americans. Admiral Yamamoto famously said "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a man with a rifle behind every blade of grass."

Thoughts? Comments? Random flames of hate?

Just to let you know that the invasion came after America was at rock bottom economically and Korea had become united under some crazy facist guy and had conquered a lot of the Pacific Rim, including Japan. So it's not just 'Korea united, took over America'. It would have been the combined might of quite a few countries against a rock bottom America.

But yeah, ridiculous, everyone knows the big US of A will be the last to hit rock bottom in today's economy.

Why the fuck is my captcha upside-down? How am I supposed to type this? Do I type the letters in reverse, or just type the upside-down word as if it were rightside-up?

Oh my word, I laughed so much of that, mainly because it flowed on so perfectly from your previous ranty point. It's like you were so committed to hating on your captcha, sorry I just found it funny .

 

[ZephrC]

Look, Homefront's backstory was lame because they tried to sell it as plausible, but if you actually know what you're talking about the details show a painful lack of awareness of international politics or even basic economics.

You wanna give me a game with space ninjas carrying laser swords, that's cool. You wanna give me a plausible and thought provoking game, that's cool too. A mediocre shooter with an embarrassing attempt to make the most incompetent nation in the world into a legitimate threat to South Korea, let alone overseas nations, I'm not buying that. Sorry.

 

[chinangel]

the entire concept was just laughable. I mean i understand tehm not wanting to rip off MW2, but they did, and with all the class and subtly of a bull in a china-shop. it was like a hideous amalgamation of MW2 and Red Dawn. Except without the campiness. This was just PAINFUL. Outrageously cliched and boring.

Now I know that there isn't anything wrong with Cliches and they're hard to avoid. In fact a good movie can be chock-full of cliche's and if its presented well then NO ONE will care! But Homefront couldn't even do that properly. So in the end it was just an ugly game with a bored, implausible premise.

 

[CWestfall]

North Korea's airforce could literally be shot out of the sky by a kid on a tall hill with a BB gun.

I think it'd take more than a KID and his bb gun.

Tell you what, let's try this out. You invade America in a WWI biplane, and I'll get some kids from a rural Oregon town to shoot at you with their airsoft guns. We'll see how it goes.

 

[Leoofmoon]

This was discussed to death before Homefront came out. I'm hoenstly surprised to see it again, considering nobody gave two shits about Homefront as it was thoroughly mediocre.

But yes, Homefront's plot is ridiculous and they really shouldn't have branded it as "shockingly plausible". People tolerate fiction so long as your not trying to say that these ridiculous scenarios could actually happen in any logical and realistic world.

that was kinda there plan, they took a faction to say "this couldent happen but here what would if they could. They never sed "we should fear the koreans"

 

[Mathak]

Just to let you know that the invasion came after America was at rock bottom economically and Korea had become united under some crazy facist guy and had conquered a lot of the Pacific Rim, including Japan. So it's not just 'Korea united, took over America'. It would have been the combined might of quite a few countries against a rock bottom America.

But yeah, ridiculous, everyone knows the big US of A will be the last to hit rock bottom in today's economy.

So it's less 'How in the hell did NK manage to conquer the USA?', and more 'How in the hell did NK manage to conquer Asia?'. Did Dzjenghis Khan reincarnate as Kim Jong Un?

 

[Sensenmann]

Meanwhile N Korea takes most of Eastern and Southern Asia through a cross between Blitzkrieg and diplomacy with the blown up nations, eventually getting Japan's tech.

So they basically turn into 1940's germany?

And yes. Even though this stuff does seem like America is over excited about their blood of tyrants and martyrs, so the game is:

a right-wing shut-in fanfic.

 

[TheFinalFantasyWolf]

My guess is that because they wanted to add a whole lot of near-propaganda drivel, with the enemy rounding up Americans and shoving them into mass graves for no apparent reason, they had to choose a country that wouldn't create a shitstorm.

So, Russia and China were out of the question. No one likes North Korea, so there you go.

Yeah, pretty much this.

OT: Not to offend, but to be fair, I think it would have been more plausible if America was doing the "invading". Just saying 0_0

 

[Thaluikhain]

It's just fiction, and it's not supposed to be anything BUT fiction. It's not like they're trying to warn us about an invasion, they were just trying to tell a story, nothing more.

The advertising for the game made a massive fuss about how "chillingly realistic" it was.

They actually did get some scientist to say the EMP would work like that, it was a terrible threat to the US and he hoped that the game would draw attention to the problem and get the US government to spend massive amounts of money on it.

Other than that, it'd just be another forgettable action game nobody cared about.

 

[TheEndlessSleep]

But Korea successfully invades America? I think including reserves the American Military could mobilize more people than Korea has, and even if the American government was in shambles, I think, with invasion the Military structure would take command.

Historically, the USA used to be fairly complacent in times of peace and lax in terms of its own security.

For example, before the state of fear that we currently live in, the USA was so confident of its own superiority that throughout the 1990s its defences were surprisingly thin.

9/11 for example...

On the 11th September 2001, guess how many fighter jets were on station to protect the US mainland... 500, 1000, 20000?

No, 14, and only 6 were on the Eastern seaboard, and the closest pair of them to NY were 150 miles away! At the point of the impact of the first tower, the jets had been in the air for 20 minutes, but were still 50 miles out.

I guess what I'm saying is that it is possible that at one point a surprise invasion like this would have been sucessful.

However, I think you are right that nowadays it is fairly impossible. The USA has learned what happens when they let their guard down, and they're not likely to allow it to happen again.

 

[Griffolion]

Just to let you know that the invasion came after America was at rock bottom economically and Korea had become united under some crazy facist guy and had conquered a lot of the Pacific Rim, including Japan. So it's not just 'Korea united, took over America'. It would have been the combined might of quite a few countries against a rock bottom America.

But yeah, ridiculous, everyone knows the big US of A will be the last to hit rock bottom in today's economy.

So it's less 'How in the hell did NK manage to conquer the USA?', and more 'How in the hell did NK manage to conquer Asia?'. Did Dzjenghis Khan reincarnate as Kim Jong Un?

Yeah pretty much. He must have one of the pieces of eden too.