Homosexual Representation

[high_castle]

homosexuality is certainly not normal
have you ever heard of gay animals? Yeah maybe one or two odd cases but they aren't gay because then they don't make babies, which is the point of having sex.

You are kidding right? I have nothing to say to that. But thanks for proving once again how the education system is failing around the world.

Elaborate maybe?
All I was saying is sex is for baby making, but humans, being such an advanced species, have turned it into pleasure, thereby spawning the concept of homosexuality. Might I be wrong? Sure...but I'm not sure what my personal opinions have to do with the educational system....

Because Homosexuality has been proven to be decided from birth, not someone's choice. Your personal beliefs are flawed and based in misconception.

It has nothing to do with my personal beliefs. I said that I don't mind gay people. It's just that there is no natural reason to be gay.
And I'd love if someone could direct me to the research that proves you're gay or straight at birth, because I'd love to see it. Whenever someone shows me the gene that codes for that I'll believe it. I think that it is a personal choice that anyone should be free to make.

Actually, there's quite a bit of research out there to suggest homosexuality is genetic and NOT a choice. Did you choose to be straight? Or are you naturally attracted to the opposite gender? Same goes for gay/lesbian/bisexual individuals.

Furthermore, homosexuality is not a strictly human concept. MANY animal species show the same behavior. Check out the wikipedia page on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
Some on the list are penguins, mallards, bison, dolphins (several varieties), bison, lions, apes, and many, many more. This suggests that homosexuality has a biological cause. More than that, though, it suggests a certain amount of homosexual behavior is natural and to be expected.

According to the Kinsey report, very few people are 100% straight or gay. Even if you self-identify as one or the other, you probably feel some degree of attraction to maybe one or two individuals of either the same or opposite gender. Pheromones, hormones, and other traits have been suggested as the cause for this.

Also, go back far enough in history and you'll discover many societies which had a much different view of sexuality, ancient Greece and Rome, in particular. You might also be interested in learning Alexander the Great and Octavian (later called Augustus) Caesar were at least bisexual if not gay. Julius Caesar was also suspected to be at the very least bisexual.

Homosexuality has been documented across the ages, across species. It transcends culture, religion, race, or creed. It is not a choice or a decision, but is at some level hard-wired into us.

EDIT: fixing broken link, sorry guys

 

[dnnydllr]

homosexuality is certainly not normal
have you ever heard of gay animals? Yeah maybe one or two odd cases but they aren't gay because then they don't make babies, which is the point of having sex.

You are kidding right? I have nothing to say to that. But thanks for proving once again how the education system is failing around the world.

Elaborate maybe?
All I was saying is sex is for baby making, but humans, being such an advanced species, have turned it into pleasure, thereby spawning the concept of homosexuality. Might I be wrong? Sure...but I'm not sure what my personal opinions have to do with the educational system....

Because Homosexuality has been proven to be decided from birth, not someone's choice. Your personal beliefs are flawed and based in misconception.

It has nothing to do with my personal beliefs. I said that I don't mind gay people. It's just that there is no natural reason to be gay.
And I'd love if someone could direct me to the research that proves you're gay or straight at birth, because I'd love to see it. Whenever someone shows me the gene that codes for that I'll believe it. I think that it is a personal choice that anyone should be free to make.

Actually, there's quite a bit of research out there to suggest homosexuality is genetic and NOT a choice. Did you choose to be straight? Or are you naturally attracted to the opposite gender? Same goes for gay/lesbian/bisexual individuals.

Furthermore, homosexuality is not a strictly human concept. MANY animal species show the same behavior. Check out the wikipedia page on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals. Some on the list are penguins, mallards, bison, dolphins (several varieties), bison, lions, apes, and many, many more. This suggests that homosexuality has a biological cause. More than that, though, it suggests a certain amount of homosexual behavior is natural and to be expected.

According to the Kinsey report, very few people are 100% straight or gay. Even if you self-identify as one or the other, you probably feel some degree of attraction to maybe one or two individuals of either the same or opposite gender. Pheromones, hormones, and other traits have been suggested as the cause for this.

Also, go back far enough in history and you'll discover many societies which had a much different view of sexuality, ancient Greece and Rome, in particular. You might also be interested in learning Alexander the Great and Octavian (later called Augustus) Caesar were at least bisexual if not gay. Julius Caesar was also suspected to be at the very least bisexual.

Homosexuality has been documented across the ages, across species. It transcends culture, religion, race, or creed. It is not a choice or a decision, but is at some level hard-wired into us.

That article does not exist on wikipedia...and i meant specific research linking it to genetics.

 

[robinkom]

I comment on a prior post like this last month in which Mass Effect was the one of my key points made in terms of not allowing a Male/Male relationship for Shepard. I hereby re-offer that insight here in hopes to contribute positively to the topic:

"To help put my points into perspective, I want to comment that I'm a straight male. You'll understand why that's important when you read the following statements.

I tend to actually play female protagonists more if given the choice, mostly out of my admiration for strong female heroes that can be interesting and likable without getting their breasts out. I have no patience for the "rough, bad-ass" under-charismatic male leads that litter so many mainstream titles. It's one-dimensional rubbish for the chauvinist pig demographic who, themselves, imagine they are some kind of faux-macho action hero with a magnetic attraction to danger and skinny blond women outfitted with medicine balls for breasts.

In Mass Effect, I did play as the female Shepard and did pursue the romance dialog with the male NPC (his name escapes me). I saw no problem in doing so, after all, their intent was for a smooth cinematic presentation, right? It was well-written if anything though, with my only minor problem being that I couldn't shake the niggling fact that the male NPC's voice actor was the guy who did Carth in Star Wars: KOTOR. To compound the scenario, the female Shepard's actress also did Bastilla, another character from Star Wars: KOTOR. Surreal as it may be, I kept waiting for a 2 hour dialog of Wookie growling to come along. *minor joke*

In my second play-through I was the female Shepard again and chose the dialog path with the Asari instead, and honestly, their "love" scene was just creepy as hell with all the psychedelic effects and her coal black eyes. By the end, having the realization that I just made Shepard a Lesbian didn't really bother me at all. It becomes a footnote when compared to the rest of the main plot and her role in the story.

Honestly, I think that is a unfair for any homosexual male players who were unable to pursue a romance arc to their tastes. I thought everyone within the 20-40 age group that works in the game industry were mature adults, but I guess I was wrong. I'd have no problem if it were included, this is all optional side-quest material anyway. And even though it's optional, it should still be fair to everyone's preferences."

 

[GodsOneMistake]

This reminds me of the very gay man from GTA 4 what was his name Darko?

 

[high_castle]

homosexuality is certainly not normal
have you ever heard of gay animals? Yeah maybe one or two odd cases but they aren't gay because then they don't make babies, which is the point of having sex.

You are kidding right? I have nothing to say to that. But thanks for proving once again how the education system is failing around the world.

Elaborate maybe?
All I was saying is sex is for baby making, but humans, being such an advanced species, have turned it into pleasure, thereby spawning the concept of homosexuality. Might I be wrong? Sure...but I'm not sure what my personal opinions have to do with the educational system....

Because Homosexuality has been proven to be decided from birth, not someone's choice. Your personal beliefs are flawed and based in misconception.

It has nothing to do with my personal beliefs. I said that I don't mind gay people. It's just that there is no natural reason to be gay.
And I'd love if someone could direct me to the research that proves you're gay or straight at birth, because I'd love to see it. Whenever someone shows me the gene that codes for that I'll believe it. I think that it is a personal choice that anyone should be free to make.

Actually, there's quite a bit of research out there to suggest homosexuality is genetic and NOT a choice. Did you choose to be straight? Or are you naturally attracted to the opposite gender? Same goes for gay/lesbian/bisexual individuals.

Furthermore, homosexuality is not a strictly human concept. MANY animal species show the same behavior. Check out the wikipedia page on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals. Some on the list are penguins, mallards, bison, dolphins (several varieties), bison, lions, apes, and many, many more. This suggests that homosexuality has a biological cause. More than that, though, it suggests a certain amount of homosexual behavior is natural and to be expected.

According to the Kinsey report, very few people are 100% straight or gay. Even if you self-identify as one or the other, you probably feel some degree of attraction to maybe one or two individuals of either the same or opposite gender. Pheromones, hormones, and other traits have been suggested as the cause for this.

Also, go back far enough in history and you'll discover many societies which had a much different view of sexuality, ancient Greece and Rome, in particular. You might also be interested in learning Alexander the Great and Octavian (later called Augustus) Caesar were at least bisexual if not gay. Julius Caesar was also suspected to be at the very least bisexual.

Homosexuality has been documented across the ages, across species. It transcends culture, religion, race, or creed. It is not a choice or a decision, but is at some level hard-wired into us.

That article does not exist on wikipedia...and i meant specific research linking it to genetics.

Sorry, mistyped. Here it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

And if you check the references in the page, you'll find links to quite a few studies about genetics and homosexuality. Just because they haven't found a gene for it YET, doesn't mean there isn't one.

 

[f1r2a3n4k5]

This is a very difficult topic. I believe that there is a time and a place for everything. There is a dearth in the mainstream gaming industry of homosexuality, but maybe it's better that way. Save issues like that for indie titles or serious titles. Some things are supposed to be pure escapism (view site title). I personally love thinking about the decadence of society and homosexuality's taboo in society and when I want deep, moving stories with deep issues; I look for a deep game. I'll play a RPG when I want to know what can change the nature of a man, but I'll pass and play a multi-million dollar FPS when I just wanna kill something. I don't want to have to consider if Master Chief is actually checking out Cortana or that Marine three seats down.

Homosexuality is perpetrating everywhere and I'm on the fence about it. I strongly support increased awareness. It's on TV, in movies, and recently it's getting into comics. I don't know if I want it to make the jump to mainstream gaming. Some things need to be simple. I am a passionate advocate of gay rights, but I still want Superman to defeat Lex Luthor and save Louis Lane.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

HOMO'S SUCK!!!!!



(In other news, yay! 500 posts!)

 

[robinkom]

Not trying to offend any gays or lesbians.


But homosexuals are not "normal" they are wrong in having relationships with the oppisate sex.
Regular people dont want to hang out with homosexuals because then other people would assume that the straight people are homosexual.
I personaly dont like homosexuals because homoexuality is a sin against my religon.

If you're going to be insulting, at least check your spelling and grammar.

Based on your views, however, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you're some denomination of Christianity. In this case, your religion is one giant contradiction of itself. "God loves all of his children... BUT GAYS ARE BAD!" Is that how it goes? That's the same kind of fervor that fuels Neo-Nazis and other racist groups.

And don't start thumping your Bible or whatever ancient pop culture editorial scripture you read from. It's irrelevant at this point with so many other comments against you in the thread.

If there's an all-powerful being that spreads the word of love and tolerance for your fellow man, then that's exactly what I've been giving to my fellow man my entire life be them straight, gay, black, white, male, female, etc. I don't need some omnipotent "Big Brother" and an old musty tome of fairy tales to tell me that.

And yeah, this does exist... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals

No period on the end.

 

[BlackIronGuardian]

There was a gay couple in ''Reaper''. They were a bit campy, but not too voer the top, I don't think.

 

[dnnydllr]

homosexuality is certainly not normal
have you ever heard of gay animals? Yeah maybe one or two odd cases but they aren't gay because then they don't make babies, which is the point of having sex.

You are kidding right? I have nothing to say to that. But thanks for proving once again how the education system is failing around the world.

Elaborate maybe?
All I was saying is sex is for baby making, but humans, being such an advanced species, have turned it into pleasure, thereby spawning the concept of homosexuality. Might I be wrong? Sure...but I'm not sure what my personal opinions have to do with the educational system....

Because Homosexuality has been proven to be decided from birth, not someone's choice. Your personal beliefs are flawed and based in misconception.

It has nothing to do with my personal beliefs. I said that I don't mind gay people. It's just that there is no natural reason to be gay.
And I'd love if someone could direct me to the research that proves you're gay or straight at birth, because I'd love to see it. Whenever someone shows me the gene that codes for that I'll believe it. I think that it is a personal choice that anyone should be free to make.

Actually, there's quite a bit of research out there to suggest homosexuality is genetic and NOT a choice. Did you choose to be straight? Or are you naturally attracted to the opposite gender? Same goes for gay/lesbian/bisexual individuals.

Furthermore, homosexuality is not a strictly human concept. MANY animal species show the same behavior. Check out the wikipedia page on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals. Some on the list are penguins, mallards, bison, dolphins (several varieties), bison, lions, apes, and many, many more. This suggests that homosexuality has a biological cause. More than that, though, it suggests a certain amount of homosexual behavior is natural and to be expected.

According to the Kinsey report, very few people are 100% straight or gay. Even if you self-identify as one or the other, you probably feel some degree of attraction to maybe one or two individuals of either the same or opposite gender. Pheromones, hormones, and other traits have been suggested as the cause for this.

Also, go back far enough in history and you'll discover many societies which had a much different view of sexuality, ancient Greece and Rome, in particular. You might also be interested in learning Alexander the Great and Octavian (later called Augustus) Caesar were at least bisexual if not gay. Julius Caesar was also suspected to be at the very least bisexual.

Homosexuality has been documented across the ages, across species. It transcends culture, religion, race, or creed. It is not a choice or a decision, but is at some level hard-wired into us.

That article does not exist on wikipedia...and i meant specific research linking it to genetics.

Sorry, mistyped. Here it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

And if you check the references in the page, you'll find links to quite a few studies about genetics and homosexuality. Just because they haven't found a gene for it YET, doesn't mean there isn't one.

I'm trying not to be stubborn, but i really think the only way to prove it to me would be to isolate the gene(s) that cause it. I think it is, in the nicest way possible, more of a freak of nature incident...not so much a freak but just different behavior, either by accident or learned from generation to generation. I probably sound like a complete douche right now but I'm really not trying to rip on homosexuals.

 

[f1r2a3n4k5]

Religion and homosexuality are not fundamentally contradictory. Even in the more strict religious denominations. For instance, I know that in Catholicism, they differentiate between being homosexual and acting on it which is how many religions handle it (Despite my personal beliefs about repression). Read some letters from St. Thomas Aquinas.

I believe in God and in allowing homosexuality. I hope I'm not turned into a pillar of salt.

 

[Bendon]

I think that realistic representation will come in time. Then again, I don't like it when characters are defined by their sexuality.

 

[Kinguendo]

In the media today, I find that their is a huge lack of "normal" homosexual couples. Often, in TV shows, the gay community becomes the butt of many jokes, or gay and lesbian characters are often cliche. In games, they are simply absent. I am yet to play a game which features a homosexual couple that are just normal people.

Do you think that adding "normal" representations of gay people in game, or in fact the general media, will make society more accepting? Is this a need?

Was all of this just so you could make the "butt of many jokes" joke?

 

[Kinguendo]

Religion and homosexuality are not fundamentally contradictory. Even in the more strict religious denominations. For instance, I know that in Catholicism, they differentiate between being homosexual and acting on it which is how many religions handle it (Despite my personal beliefs about repression). Read some letters from St. Thomas Aquinas.

I believe in God and in allowing homosexuality. I hope I'm not turned into a pillar of salt.

I am not worried, I eat salt for breakfast. Its not very filling and I have no taste buds!

 

[Dorian]

Yeah. There are only 3 real reasons why people don't like homosexuals.

1. Religious bastards.
2. The media portrays them as freaks who make you want to kill them.
3. Homophobia. That's right, I'm looking at YOU, insecure teen males.

 

[dragontiers]

HOMO'S SUCK!!!!!



(In other news, yay! 500 posts!)

You're right Homosapians are a really terrible species.

homosexuality is certainly not normal
have you ever heard of gay animals? Yeah maybe one or two odd cases but they aren't gay because then they don't make babies, which is the point of having sex.

You are kidding right? I have nothing to say to that. But thanks for proving once again how the education system is failing around the world.

Elaborate maybe?
All I was saying is sex is for baby making, but humans, being such an advanced species, have turned it into pleasure, thereby spawning the concept of homosexuality. Might I be wrong? Sure...but I'm not sure what my personal opinions have to do with the educational system....

Because Homosexuality has been proven to be decided from birth, not someone's choice. Your personal beliefs are flawed and based in misconception.

It has nothing to do with my personal beliefs. I said that I don't mind gay people. It's just that there is no natural reason to be gay.
And I'd love if someone could direct me to the research that proves you're gay or straight at birth, because I'd love to see it. Whenever someone shows me the gene that codes for that I'll believe it. I think that it is a personal choice that anyone should be free to make.

Actually, there's quite a bit of research out there to suggest homosexuality is genetic and NOT a choice. Did you choose to be straight? Or are you naturally attracted to the opposite gender? Same goes for gay/lesbian/bisexual individuals.

Furthermore, homosexuality is not a strictly human concept. MANY animal species show the same behavior. Check out the wikipedia page on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals. Some on the list are penguins, mallards, bison, dolphins (several varieties), bison, lions, apes, and many, many more. This suggests that homosexuality has a biological cause. More than that, though, it suggests a certain amount of homosexual behavior is natural and to be expected.

According to the Kinsey report, very few people are 100% straight or gay. Even if you self-identify as one or the other, you probably feel some degree of attraction to maybe one or two individuals of either the same or opposite gender. Pheromones, hormones, and other traits have been suggested as the cause for this.

Also, go back far enough in history and you'll discover many societies which had a much different view of sexuality, ancient Greece and Rome, in particular. You might also be interested in learning Alexander the Great and Octavian (later called Augustus) Caesar were at least bisexual if not gay. Julius Caesar was also suspected to be at the very least bisexual.

Homosexuality has been documented across the ages, across species. It transcends culture, religion, race, or creed. It is not a choice or a decision, but is at some level hard-wired into us.

That article does not exist on wikipedia...and i meant specific research linking it to genetics.

Sorry, mistyped. Here it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

And if you check the references in the page, you'll find links to quite a few studies about genetics and homosexuality. Just because they haven't found a gene for it YET, doesn't mean there isn't one.

I'm trying not to be stubborn, but i really think the only way to prove it to me would be to isolate the gene(s) that cause it. I think it is, in the nicest way possible, more of a freak of nature incident...not so much a freak but just different behavior, either by accident or learned from generation to generation. I probably sound like a complete douche right now but I'm really not trying to rip on homosexuals.

No offense, but you are going to be waiting for a while. They haven't even tracked down the genes that cause all the things we KNOW are gene based. We know they are caused by genes, we just don't know which ones/combinations yet. There is still lots of research to be done in gene manipulation.

 

[WhiteFangofWhoa]

I wouldn't say they're absent. I've seen a fair number but the problem is they always stick to the same stereotypes- eternally fashioned-oriented, speaking in a cheerful, lisped voice. This is likely because the character being homosexual rarely has importance to the video game. If they don't announce it with nearly every word and action (highly annoying) they may as well not mention it.

I was actually just thinking the other day that it would be interesting to see the reaction to an extremely macho, muscular character who turned out to be homosexual... Kind of like the widespread shock back when everyone completed the first Metroid and realised 'OMG Samus iz a girl?!?!'.
The sole example of this I can think of is Colonel Volgin from Metal Gear Solid 3, but he 'plays it both ways' so to speak and could be considered a negative example due to his domination issues and sadistic tendencies (just a coincidence that the soundtrack title for his battle theme is 'Clash with Evil Personified'?).

 

[ssgt splatter]

uhh...what?

 

[Bendon]

The sole example of this I can think of is Colonel Volgin from Metal Gear Solid 3, but he 'plays it both ways' so to speak and could be considered a negative example due to his domination issues and sadistic tendencies (just a coincidence that the soundtrack title for his battle theme is 'Clash with Evil Personified'?).

Bisexuals are often represented as deeply disturbed or as having some sick fetish or something.
Or as being massive whores

Realistic Gay representation will come before realistic bisexual representation (at least in males)

 

[Xbowhyena]

I don't care about someone sexuality really, and don't make many jokes about that stuff. My parents have two Mono sexual friends, and they are two of the nicest guys I've ever met. They're completely normal, and these couples should be portrayed by this. Mono Phobes are just idiots who can't respect other people's way to live. I think everyone deserves to be happy, and should not be questioned for their way of life.

BTW, I use Mono Sexual over Homo Sexual because Homo actually means, "Intelligent-Sexual", I think lol, which doesn't make sense at all, and Mono means "Single-Sexual," which is what it is. Just pointing out that factoid in case some one didn't know.