How disturbed where you when you saw todays Jimquisition?

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viranimus

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Really? I mean seriously? I do not think the issue is games have desensitized us to violence, with these reactions it seems clear they havent desensitized us enough.

All it is is a guy shooting himself in the head. Yet responses of horror and revulsion? come on now, grow a set already. Its not like its a live beheading with a pocket knife or seeing someone reduced to jelly in slow motion loosing the bout of man vs 18 wheeler.

The responses are so comical I feel like im being trolled.
 

Therumancer

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I have no feelings on it either way. Of course having seen that same scene before, including being edited down and used as part of other videos (including close ups of the guy's head being emptied with the gun being used as a forum signature) it's not something that paticularly disturbed me.

To some this would make the point about being desensitized to violence, but as I said in response to Jim's video, humans are inherantly violent, predatory creatures, we wouldn't have survived or continued to thrive without these impulses (if your curious, read my response in response to The Jimquisition). Someone who gets deeply upset by something like this is unusually sensitive to violence, probably due to being conditioned by first world morality and living standards, being largely isolated from the rest of the world and reality. Your typical "Ivory Tower" liberal which goes along with the general political and moral sentiments in these forums, people will hate this point of course, but the bottom line this is exactly one of those forums where I'd expect an unusually strong reaction, which comes more from the crowd, than video games making people more sensitive.

That said, I did have a stronger reaction to things like this when I first ran into real violence and death. Time living in the real world and dealing with the kind of crap the majority of people on forums like this try and convince themselves aren't issues or don't exist, has however desensitized me to this type of thing, and lead to my "the world sucks, and it's actually going to have to be made to suck worse for it to get better" attitude which has made me (in)famous in non-gaming discussions on these forums.

That said, none of my sentiments came from video games or the media. If anything I tend to criticize "mature" gaming material for not going far enough, because of how unreal and one-sidedly idealistic it usually is.

Arguements by academics also tend to misjudge the sheer jump needed to go from fantasy, to actual action. It's not a simple matter of "I see people being shot in a video game, so I'm going to go shoot them in real life" or "Grand Theft Auto makes crime look fun, so I'm going to try it in real life" as soon as you stand up from your chair you can see how differant reality is compared to the way people move and the ease with which they do things in video games. Not to mention the numerous steps needed to get a gun, learn to shoot accuratly (which isn't that hard to achieve basic proficiency with, but it does take time), and other assorted things that these arguements don't consider. Then there are the realistic bits of planning something like this that don't come up in video games, since in real life you can't say walk down the street with an assault rifle slung over your back, and enter buildings with the same level of imputiny you can in video games and other works of fantasy. Not to mention even if you argue people become desensitized to violence and the suffering of others, even total sociopaths put value on their own life, unlike video games YOU do not come back with a simple "reload" or selecting "continue", it's that kind of immortality that makes a lot of what you see in video games work... if you think about how many times your character dies in a video game, they are hardly something that encourages this kind of thing in real life where there are no second chances. People who citicize crime games for example tend to look at the violence, not how pursuit magically disappears when you enter the right kind of business, or how often these rampages result in the death of the protaganist character.

Speaking for myself I think a much bigger "threat" if you want to go there are books and various terrorist training manuals like "The Anarchist's Cookbook", "The Black Book Of Dirty Tricks", and "The Poor Man's James bond" that provide a more practical and realistic guide to mayhem (though to be honest, I wouldn't follow some of the instructions for chemicals or explosives too closely). Books like that largely fueled the left wing terrorist movements decades ago, with groups like the SLA (who "abducted" Patty Hearst) and numerous "one hit wonders". The truth is pretty much every left winger was a closet anarchist back then and had copies of crap like this, and far more of them seemed to turn to actual violence once they had material like this than you see today from video games. If you ever want to feel dirty take a look at some of the liberal terrorists that were under consideration for pardons by The Clintons during their administration as well.... even with this stuff though I don't think the information should be illegal, and if I support "urban gueriella manuals" (part of my support of the Second Amendment and it's spirit) obviously I'm not going to have any problems with video games.

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Also I'll be honest in saying that if you agree with Jim that Hollywood violence doesn't come close to the real think, I'd say that you've probably watched the wrong movies. Video games aren't up to that point yet, but there have been some understated horror movies where the violence almost exactly matches the real thing. Largely because there are directors and such who have sat down and watched a lot of those interrogation and execution videos made in the third world (and similar things) that show up on shock sites and obscure videos, and then set out to emulate the effects as exactly as possible. The usual problem is with movie makers doing too much, but that isn't always the case. This kind of thing is also why there is so much debate on whether snuff flicks exist or not, because it's so easy to fake. If you get into the "extreme horror" subculture and the obscure videos a lot of people in it follow, you'll notice a definate differance in how they do things from the Hollywood norm, even when they have reasonable large amounts of resources behind them (for the "genere"). To date we have yet to really see video games go there, though I am hoping they will for certain generes (like horror). As Yahtzee once pointed out in one of his "Dead Space" reviews, it's kind of immersion breaking to see limbs come off like dry twigs, or badly constructed models one would expect a degree of resistance when dismembering limbs. The human body (not considering necromorphs) is more durable than video games give it credit for, especially when facing certain kinds of trauma. I look forward to a time when a game like "Silent Hill" decides to try and "get it right".
 

bossfight1

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Well, sometime between Budd pulling the trigger and the clip ending, I covered my eyes without realizing. So, yes, Jim's point is proven; gamers are not desensitized to real violence. I can't even give blood, its just... yeeegh.
 

Cid Silverwing

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I definitely cringed. Shows how much violence is exaggerated in games just to make the point that real violence isn't fun.
 

cahtush

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Honestly?
Not at all when Jim first showed the clip, though i felt i little bit uneasy a while after (not the death itself, but what he must have though when he did it sort of).
The low quality of the clip, how quick it was.
Sort of like some of those clips from warzones you see on the news or some old WW1/2 fotage.
 

pidgerii

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I haven't watched the footage and I won't. I can't handle real gore, I can't even look at broken bones without getting squeamish.

Computer games are a different beast though, any violence occurring to video game characters is happening to a cartoon, a puppet, and I'm tired of uninformed people, or desperate organisations (like the NRA) trying to link videogame violence to actual violence. It might be a more visual and interactive medium but I don't see any difference between it and violence in printed literature which encourages the reader to create their own image of a violent scene (I'm looking at you Bible)
 

maidenm

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I didn't see it, rather I couldn't see it even though I wanted to. I wanted to see it just to observe my own reaction to it, but it hasn't even been a month since a dear friend of mine killed herself so I couldn't bring myself to do it.

It did however remind me of the first time I got squemish about someones death, and made me feel like erecting a shrine to Jim for his video. I was a kid and I was watching the news. A video with a truck was driving through a warzone and blew up. I was in shock for a bit, asking myself if it was real and why they would show it if it was.

I think I would've been made uncomfortable if I saw it, but not as much as I'd want to be. I don't want to think of a human life as something to just be ignored, but I know that I can. Why? Because I see it and read about it in the news as something unimportant. My giddyness at beheading an orc or assassinating a druglord in a game at least makes me feel something.
 

Coffeejack

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The mere thought of watching a video of someone dying in real life disturbs me. Video game violence never does. It may upset me if something is happening to a character I am attached to, but fantasy violence does not affect me in the same way as real life violence I have seen. The brain establishes a clear divide. I can play through hours of Soldier of Fortune without feeling a thing, but I still haven't mustered the courage to look at that video of the teenagers killing a man with a hammer. Everyone who's seen it claims to have been...changed by doing so, if you can believe that.

Budd Dwyer's death was chilling, as I imagine seeing a video of a real suicide for the first time would be. It's an alien experience. The blood was somehow surprising. I can't imagine people watching that sort of thing for fun, although I imagine some people must feel indifferent to witnessing acts of violence - more likely due to something genetic than excessive gaming.
 

Animyr

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I watched it on youtube and it was a little unsettling. The actual instant of death was blurred and bloodless, but watching the blood gush out of his nose after the fact was pretty disconcerting.
 

SecretSmoke

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Upon first watching it I was kind of... I won't say "disappointed", but it was so...bland. It was almost boring, really. But when I looked back over it, and realized the gravity of what I just saw, I was pretty shaken... Probably the best way he could have proven his point, in retrospect.
 

Agayek

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I wasn't terribly disturbed by it, to be honest. It wasn't something I enjoyed watching, but it just didn't bother me much.
 

Gottesstrafe

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Not at all. Perhaps it's because I've seen the animated gif version of that video, or perhaps it's because I've seen worse while wandering through the net, but my heart didn't even skip a beat when he pulled the trigger and slumped over. I certainly wasn't entertained by it, but neither did I feel any strong or weak emotion over it either. I know I'm socially obligated to say that I did and it was tragic, just like we're all socially obligated to do whenever we read about a death in the paper or some sort of accident and someone asks our opinion on it to keep up the greater facade of a shared moral awareness, but in truth if I was eating breakfast at the time I wouldn't even pause in between bites.

Perhaps if I was there in person or if I knew him personally (I'm not completely emotionally dead, mind you) but I can't conjure up feelings for a stranger on a video anymore than I can for a background character in a novel.
 

Darks63

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Yes the Dancing William Dafoe Flower shocked me to my very core.......

Oh you mean the dude wasting himself no ive seen that one and i more brutal one in the past. In general I only care about people im close to i leave the crying over strangers thing to my mother.
 

cikame

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Curiosity has led me to see footage of people dieing before so i'm familiar with it, i get no joy out of seeing these videos it's purely educational.
I don't feel disturbed, but i sense the enormity of the event, the pointlessness of nice people ceasing to exist anymore at the whim of horrible people who shouldn't exist themselves.

I love action movies and video games, i'm not desensitized i'm just a realist.
 

Loonyyy

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I was a little disturbed by it. More the implications that someone's alive one moment, and then they're not. The gore, not so much. I was more disturbed by Hostel and House of 1000 corpses, or the torture scene in Sleeping Dogs (More because it was a jarring tonal shift, rather than because of the content). How we tell that these things are real or not is not, I think, just some feeling that enables us to distinguish, and the squeamishness or lack thereof at the imagery is not simply based off what is real. It's all perception.

I was more disturbed by how dumb the episode was. I'm usually a fan of the Jimquisition, but this video just lacked insight, focus, and was rather shallow. Not only completely ignored any discussion of any relevant science, managed to fall for the argument propagated by the anti-gaming people that possible desensitization or increased aggression leads to a higher incidence of violence, ended up arguing against the very idea that games could increase aggression or desensitise (Which, FYI, wouldn't mean shit. Hitting a punching bag increases aggression. Listening to some sorts of music can increase aggression. Neither of these things are bad simply because they tend to increase aggression. Increasing aggression, does not mean increasing violence, and while violent games have been getting more popular, there hasn't exactly been an overall spike in violent crime. We're still (Although my stats were last checked a year or two ago) getting safer, not more endangered), and then whinging about the media reporting of the mass shootings. I mean, really, so what if games desensitised us to violence or caused aggression? They're still more than halfway from their case. From what I recall, the increases in aggression caused by violent media in studies on the subject didn't say a cummulative increase in aggression, or even an effect that was anything more than temporary. Certainly, it'd be interesting to know more.)

Yes, the media sensationalise their coverage of these events. As someone who runs a topical show, with an overblown bravado (Which is hilarious) for entertainment, the use of topics likely to be viewed, and presentations likely to gain viewership, should not be unimaginable. Doing so is hardly deep journalism, but then again, neither are using personal anecdotes as your counterpoint to studies hand-waved.
 

Neyon

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I understand the point. Video games don't desensitize you to violence in the same way that playing Rugby doesn't remove your inhibition to tackle anybody in the street. There is a massive difference between video game violence and real violence no matter how real it looks. I don't become horrified when I cut up a steak for dinner - it isn't merely be the sight of somebody's flesh that would make me want to throw up. It is the fact that you are seeing a real person who is probably badly injured that causes an emotional reaction. I don't care when I shoot somebody in the face in Battlefield 3 because I did not actually shoot somebody in the face. The suggestion that because of this I don't care about hurting people in reality is extremely offensive.
 

Frission

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Pretty fucking disturbed I can tell you that.

It's a great way to prove a point though.
 

Karhukonna

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With all the stuff I've seen on the internet, there's only a few things that still rustle my jimmies. I frequent various disturbing sites when I am bored, and it doesn't matter how you torture a person, I won't even flinch anymore. Shock sites got nothing on me. You can bring on any kind of pain olympics or real death videos, I'm cool.

But if there is animal violence, you can count me out. I once saw a video where a redneck cuts off a turtle's head. Feels bad, even now. And dogs are my weakest point, I just can't take it no matter what. I'm pretty certain that quite a few people will agree with me, seeing as how we're on the internet and all.

To summarize, killing and torturing people does not disturb me. Any violence at all towards animals does disturb me. Quite a bit, too. And that clip in Jimquisition was old news to me, and did not disturb me, even when I first saw it.
 

RubyT

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Not disturbed. Rather curious actually.

We - FORTUNATELY - don't get to see a lot of people die. So I have a morbid curiosity about seeing this greatest taboo of all. Have seen quite a bit of it. The moment of death is one of the most honest and real ones you will witness. Nobody pretends in death.