how do American and British universities compare?

lucaf

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trooper6 said:
The American University System if very varied.

There are Public Universities, Private Universities, Technical Colleges, Liberal Arts Colleges, Conservatories. Lots of different options.

Community Colleges, they tend to be very, very, very cheap. Chabot College charges $36 a unit, so you might pay $108 for a class. If you are going full time, you probably spending $432 a semester. Community colleges tend to not have 4 year+ degrees, however. They tend to have 2 year degrees. So people will often go to a community college and then transfer to a bigger college. Community colleges also tend to be "commuter colleges"--so there are no residence halls, you aren't living on campus, they don't have the same sort of extra-curriculars.

Public Universities. They are run by and subsidized by individual states. The University of California, Los Angeles, Or Ohio State University. These schools can get really large. UCLA had 50,000 people running around on campus, for example. These schools tend to have a full range of degrees: Bachelors of Arts, Bachelors of Science, Masters Degrees, PhDs. Some of them have Law Schools, Medical Schools, Dental Schools, or Engineering Schools attached. These schools tend to be not as expensive if you are a state resident, expensive if you are an out of state resident. UT Austin's costs:
Texas resident on-campus $23,596 ? 24,936
Texas resident off-campus $23,734 ? 25,074
Non-resident on-campus $35,776 ? 45,960
Non-resident off-campus $35,914 ? 46,098
Big Public Universities are like private Universities in that they tend to offer big and varied experiences: Sports Teams, School Newspapers, Literary Journals, Orchestras, clubs, etc.

Private Universities, like Harvard, Princeton, Yale. Tend to be expensive. Harvard's Tuition is $33,696 and the total cost with fees, room, and board was $48,868. A place like Harvard has a lot of resources, the full college experience, Professors who are leaders in their field, and they actually aren't that big. They have around 7,000 undergraduates and 14,000 post graduates.

Small Liberal Arts Universities tend to be expensive and really small. They may not have all the sports teams or extra-curriculars...they probably also won't have the research labs of a big University. They also, often don't have graduate degrees. But the education they offer tends to be really, really amazing. I went to Mills College. A women's only college in Oakland with an enrollment of around 700 undergraduates. Liberal Arts colleges also tend to end up being $50,000 a year with room and board.

Those tend to be the four big categories. There are other things like a conservatory where you go to get a Bachelor's in Music and just play Music with minimal academics. There are technical colleges where you do minimal academics, but go to learn to be a Mechanic or Paralegal or something like that.

Note about cost: US Universities are expensive on the face of it, but those don't tend to be what people actually end up paying. We have extensive financial aid, and there are lots of scholarships. Big, rich private universities also tend to give lots of scholarships as well. If you are a person without a lot of money, you can often leave your institution only having paid a small fraction of the total cost.
For example, Mills College, where I went for my undergrad cost $51,547 a year (including room and board). I don't have that sort of money to be sure. But I got Pell Grants (grants from the federal government), Cal Grants (grants from the California state government), I got scholarships from Mills College itself, I also had the GI Bill (money paid by the government for people who had served in the military). I paid for some of the bill myself through student loans. So, how much did I pay total for four years at that pricey school? $11,000...or $2,750 a year. It is something similar at places like Harvard, Princeton, and Yale. So while the price tags look high, that is often deceptive.

You tend not to have to pay for PhDs if you get admitted to a top-rated university.

Applications:
In the US you apply to individual schools. Many of the schools want similar things (High School Transcripts, SAT/ACT exam score, sometimes personal statements, sometimes essays or writing samples, sometimes resumes). But each school is different, and they all have slightly different requirements.

And one of the big differences between British and American (US) universities:
In Britain you apply into a major. So you apply to study German or History (or whatever). If you end up going to the University of Liverpool for History, and after a year you decide you'd rather do German Studies...well you have to reapply to University. That isn't how US undergraduate institutions generally work (there are exceptions for Schools of Engineering or Conservatories). In the US you apply to the institution in general. While you might indicate a major interest, you don't apply to a major. When you come into the University, you don't have a major declared. Most Universities and Liberal Arts Colleges require you to take between 8-10 courses across different disciplines (general education or distribution requirements) in order to make you a well rounded scholar and to give you access to different kinds of thinking. Students then usually declare their major (or double major or major/minor) in their second year of college. Though, some declare in their first year, because they know what they want. Others might declare in their second year...and then change their mind and declare something different in their third year.

Of course, graduate school--Masters or PhD's--you apply for a specific major and don't tend to take (m)any courses out of your major. But that is a different situation.

Hope that helps some. I'm a University Professor, so I can give further insights if you have specific questions.
thanks a lot, that was a great explanation. so I take it that the public universities are the most similar to the ones in britain then

and I have mixed feelings on the major-minor thing. on the one hand it means you can delay your choosing a subject for longer than here (not that that matters for me since I want to do vet med, which I take it is a full time thing over your side of the pond too) and means you probably have a wider field of knowledge, but it does mean that you cant focus as well on the one subject. although, come to think of it a lot of universities give you the option to do an an extra year on another subject to get a qualification in that, similar to a minor I guess
 

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Here in Australia we have a thing system called HECS (Higher Education something beginning with C Scheme, where the government will pay for your university education. Then once you graduate and reach a certain income threshold, your fees are added to your taxes and paid of over several years.

Do over countries have a similar system?
 

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Viral_Lola said:
]Well... Here's the thing. I am a British Overseas Citizen. (It means that I'm practically stateless.) What would be the academic qualifications?
The academic qualification have to be equivalent to 12-13 years of school attendance, with the 2-3 final years explicitly meant to prepare for an academic career. If your school system does not provide something equivalent, you usually have to do a bit of tertiary education before coming to Germany.
This site is here meant to give an overview of what might be required:

http://www.daad.de/deutschland/wege-durchs-studium/zulassung/06550.en.html

And I don´t think your status as British Overseas Citizen should be that big of a problem.
Worst case, you count as non-EU, just like Chinese, American etc.
I don´t know how serious you are about this, but I can really recommend Germany, especially if you are interested in engineering, math or cs.
 

Viral_Lola

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TheAmazingHobo said:
Viral_Lola said:
]Well... Here's the thing. I am a British Overseas Citizen. (It means that I'm practically stateless.) What would be the academic qualifications?
The academic qualification have to be equivalent to 12-13 years of school attendance, with the 2-3 final years explicitly meant to prepare for an academic career. If your school system does not provide something equivalent, you usually have to do a bit of tertiary education before coming to Germany.
This site is here meant to give an overview of what might be required:

http://www.daad.de/deutschland/wege-durchs-studium/zulassung/06550.en.html

And I don´t think your status as British Overseas Citizen should be that big of a problem.
Worst case, you count as non-EU, just like Chinese, American etc.
I don´t know how serious you are about this, but I can really recommend Germany, especially if you are interested in engineering, math or cs.
Thanks for the info. I'm pretty serious about going overseas for school. (I have a British passport if that helps any.) I guess I better learn some German. (All I can say is I love you, you're girlfriend has nice cans, and I am a Berliner.)
 

trooper6

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TheAmazingHobo said:
Viral_Lola said:
]Well... Here's the thing. I am a British Overseas Citizen. (It means that I'm practically stateless.) What would be the academic qualifications?
The academic qualification have to be equivalent to 12-13 years of school attendance, with the 2-3 final years explicitly meant to prepare for an academic career. If your school system does not provide something equivalent, you usually have to do a bit of tertiary education before coming to Germany.
This site is here meant to give an overview of what might be required:

http://www.daad.de/deutschland/wege-durchs-studium/zulassung/06550.en.html

And I don´t think your status as British Overseas Citizen should be that big of a problem.
Worst case, you count as non-EU, just like Chinese, American etc.
I don´t know how serious you are about this, but I can really recommend Germany, especially if you are interested in engineering, math or cs.
I was living in Germany at the time I was considering going to college. And I had to decide if I wanted to stay in Germany or go back to the states. I loved Germany very much and all my friends and my Fussball club and all of that. But ultimately I couldn't study how I wanted to study in Germany. In Germany, Music is only in the Conservatory (Musik Hochschule) and I wanted to do both Music and Academics (Universität). So I had to go back to the states where I ultimately double majored in German Studies (Germanistik) and Composition (Komposition). I couldn't do that in the German education system.
 

soultrain117

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Well if you are looking at differences in tuition an internet search could help you find that. The thing about American colleges is that they are probably the only part of our education system that is not broken. It is actually very good. If you are looking for quality of education the top colleges in the US will be about the same as the ones in the UK, but there are more in the US. Oxford and Cambridge are the UK ones that come to mind in the US you have Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Cal Tech, etc. You get the idea the top tier schools are equal. If you go down I have gotten the impression from reading things on this subject that after the top tier America's schools are better. Though I could be wrong.
 

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I'm in the same boat as you, so I'll say this:

America, regardless of the tremendous price-hikes in Britain, is still much more expensive for you to apply to, especially if you're foreign, as there is another hefty price hike for foreigners studying in America (I'm assuming you're British). Living costs are also pretty high.

British Unis are pretty much the 2nd most expensive anyway, however across Europe (again, assuming you are British, or at least an EU national) the fees are MASSIVELY lower -- in the Scandinavian countries generally, they actively seek english speaking students, and in most of Europe the highest fees you'll see are 3k whilst most unis charge between 1.5K and nothing. As in, literally, nothing.
Britain has a great deal of choice given the number of VIABLE universities you can go to, given the compact size of the country compared to the rather ridiculous number of universities within it -- there are 43 within London alone, and hundreds of others besides -- there are more per head than in anywhere else in the world.

As for the actual education: In America, the education is fairly broad -- you don't even decide your major until later after your first year -- it actually has a broader range of required subjects than even A-level in Britain.
Britain on the other hand is MUCH more focused -- you choose a subject and you study it for 3-4 years. You become much more specialised in Britain, whether that is a good or bad thing. Europe is somewhere in the middle, generally erring on the US-style side of things.

Admissions: Competition in Britain is bad, much worse than in anywhere else in Europe, however it pales in comparison to the US if you are a foreign student -- there is only the slightest chance you will get into an American uni because there is already massive competition and the line taken (understandably)on these things is that American citizens are a priority.

A word on Europe: Although France, Italy and Spain tend to teach only in their languages, Germany, Scandinavia and (especially) the Netherlands offer many courses in English, and especially in Scandinavia it is very easy to get by with minimal language skills -- almost everyone there knows English.

My thesis: Forget America, take a look at Europe just in case but you'll probably end up studying in Britain. Remember that you can apply for as many foreign universities as you want (though you have to pay around £20 per uni, but when the alternative is 9k a year, money is no object I think you'll agree :p)