How efficient would "traditional" assassins be today?

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aesshen

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This is a bit OT, but you kind of have to wonder what the economics are of assassinations these days. You don't hear about major business and political leaders getting assassinated all the time like they are in movies and games. Aren't most actual hitmen pretty low-level, or in countries where the rule of law is weak enough to let them get away with it?
 

Bulletinmybrain

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You ever seen the scene from rocknrolla where the two russian guys are dancing nakedly on top of the guy and then archie showed up looking for him? Well imagine that's how futile your attempts will be. You'll go for a blade and get shot in the fucking head.

aesshen said:
This is a bit OT, but you kind of have to wonder what the economics are of assassinations these days. You don't hear about major business and political leaders getting assassinated all the time like they are in movies and games. Aren't most actual hitmen pretty low-level, or in countries where the rule of law is weak enough to let them get away with it?
Didn't something like that happen fairly recently? Guy pulled up to a street light and got lit up.
 

Joe1897

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i dont think they will be very effective, i mean if they used blades etc (low tech weapons), modern day tech, such as motion sensors, CCTV and guns, would easily capture/eliminate the assassin.
 

Zac_Dai

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I always thought the Russian method of putting polonium-210 in your tea had a certain class to it.

Something that is lacking in blades and guns.
 

DarkGargoyle

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Originally, an assassin (i.e. the original assassins upon which Altair's order is based) would be struck down instantly. That was sort of the point: "a twofold lesson for the public: first, the punishment of the victim and, second, the heroic sacrifice of the executioner, who as called fida'i (plural: fida'in, or fedayeen), or 'suicide commando', because he was almost always cut down on the spot" (Obviously this would make for a very short Assassin's Creed)

I've often thought that old school assassination like this would be preferable (and more noteworthy) than carbombing innocent civilians.
 

superbleeder12

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A modern day assassin would work in one of 2 ways.

Long range sniper kills.
Infiltrate the organization, specialize in being a bodyguard or a concubine. Get close, then use one of multiple ways of a kill.

Those are really the only two feasible ways to down the target.
 

Tibernite

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Danny Ocean said:
sagonas123 said:
That, my friend, is a great book series. I just finished the first book, but I love it. So, had to add that in :] And I love AC II. Beat the first game ^.^

OT: Modern assassins? Well, for one, the blade would be much more preferred, a lot more quieter than a noisy gun. And easier to hide, while getting a sure kill. Second, with all the modern technology, assassins would probably be caught before they could carry out with their Deader... Whoops, I meant target ;]
Besides, if traditional assassins still worked, why then hell do we not still have them? It's simple logic. Assassins now use guns because it's difficult if not impossible to stab the guy: he's probably wearing a bullet proof and so stab proof vest, is surrounded by guards, probably has his own gun, with a good area of clearance between him and the crowd, and other precautions.

Sorry to sound nit-picky here, but bulletproof in NO WAY means stab proof. Much like chainmail didn't do crap against arrows, a kevlar vest is hardly stab proof. A decent knife with decent power will easily puncture the average kevlar vest and could definitely be fatal.
 

YuheJi

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I think Agent 47 would be much more efficient than any blade-wielding assassin could ever be.
 

carpathic

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I think the assassin sitting behind me would like me to tell you that "of course assassins would not be effective in today's soc...."


All right, that was lame.
 

HellsingerAngel

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To say that a "traditional" assassin would be useless in modern warfare is quite uneducated. An assassin, with what we know today, uses tactics, not weapons, to kill their target. Subterfuge, infiltration, stealth: these are the tools of a true assassin. The murder weapon would really depend on how close you can get to the target.

Why do I mention that? Well, when the intent is to kill someone, the closer you are to the target, the better. It ensures less foul ups. Sniper rifles are all nice and shiney, but there are sometimes just too many variable to consider. A combat knife or garrote are much more accurate and offer less hassle than studying how to shoot a rifle at 2 clicks away, simply because it depends on a skill set an assassin must already know, the art of deception.

These skills are best seen in an assassin know far and wide known as the ninja. I remember watching a documentry on the ninja on the Discovery Channel one evening and it essentially posed this same question. Could ninjutsu be just as effective today as it was back in feudal Japan. The fact is: yes, it is. A moderm day ninja master was able to, under the rules of "No one is allowed beyond this point" after the V.I.P. was considered in danger, play himself off as one of the technical staff and gain the trust of the two bodyguards by cleaning hidden camera lenses, bringing them catered food, etc. and effectively assassinate the V.I.P. at melee range over the course of about 8 hours! It was even stated by various special ops infantry, there to give their two cents and watch the demonstration, use tactics very similar to the ninja master to get close to their targets for mid-range rifle combat.

Now, take the situation above and relate it to an embasy where no immediate threat is present. Take all those skills an assassin must know in the ways of deception, subterfuge and stealth. To say that a true assassin couldn't just implant himself into this embasy, gain access to the V.I.P., stab his neck with a combat knife (which renders your vocal chordes useless and your time extremely limited because of massive bleeding) and then walk out after a quick change of clothes (planted earlier) is not unrealistic. SNAFUs in guard change, guard duty, etc. are probably common place. Get the guard at that time to really need to take a piss, offer to replace him for the five minutes, get your job done, walk off, and have the body discovered several hours later would probably be a snap for someone trained well enough.

In conclusion: it is possible, but I doubt it would be terribly practicle, simply because of time contraints, resources/connections needed, and the immense amount of training.
 

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Ph33nix said:
Xojins said:
Ph33nix said:
ineffective. you can't get close enough to important people to kill them.
This, hence why assassins these days use guns; they have adapted to the times.
well "traditional" implies that they useblades
No it doesn't. Traditional assassins just killed people in very obvious ways to send a message. It doesn't matter how - a sniper rifle is just as traditional as a knife.

I guess you could mean old time assassins, but why in god's name would you want to be like that outside of a Luc Besson film?
 

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They wouldn't. Especially in America, where it is ILlegal to NOT have a gun.
Except in D.C., where it's the other way around.
Anywho, a poison-tipped blade like Ezio's might be effective if he knew how to use it.
 

gutterball17

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I have one thing to say to this post. I think they would do just fine. See anything with Batman in it and I think you would agree. Especially Batman: Arkham Asylum. There was no end to the stealthy, knocking-people-out-silently-or-everyone-kills-you aspect of the game. And I would say that he is the closest example to an Assassin that I have without actually naming one.
 

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Well, I think that this is a rather stupid question, as what is an assassin but a spy with a slightly different objective? with the proper equipment, one could very easily get through a security system. But the main point is this: do you how far a knife has to penetrate the torso to hit something important? About two inches. a two inch blade is quite easy to acquire and conceal, and in an area like New York City, one could follow a mark into a crowd, stab them in the kidney, and desolve into and un-caring crowd with little trouble.
 

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a blade-wielding assassin in today's age would be quite successful. I'm sure there are many out there who still prefer it. For certain circumstances a gun would indeed be EASIER, but I don't think that the lack of a projectile weapon would deter an assassin with a job to do. They'll usually use whatever means to accomplish a hit, including schedule observation, a floor plan, power outages etc.
It's all in how they go about it, not what they kill with.

A good example (if not a good movie) would be "Smokin' Aces" check it out for modern assassinations...if a bit on the dramatic side >.>
 

BonsaiK

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Assassins were never about being "traditional". Assassins have always made use of the latest technology to make killing easier. Even in "ye olde days", assassins used whatever worked best for the occasion.

Cmwissy said:
I've never understood this whole thing about Assassin's need to use daggers in gaming and popular culture; too me an assassin uses whatever is best at the time and never get's stuck with one weapon
Well, the dagger often IS "best at the time" as it has several advantages over other weapons. A dagger is easily concealable so you can wander around with one fairly incognito. It's also completely silent. Also, and VERY importantly, a dagger is compact enough to weild in a confined space, something which a kick-ass katana or assault rifle is not. Assassins do use what is "best at the time" and up until the invention of compact silenced pistols, the dagger was the weapon of choice for any sort of indoor assassination where time was of the essence and prolonged access to the target was an issue (in a situation where preparation was possible, or the target was easier to access, a lower-risk alternative like poison or explosives would be more common).
 

nick_knack

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An assassin is any individual who seeks to end the life of a specific public figure. Traditionally these individuals used whatever method would ensure a kill. Therefore your "traditional" assassins would either adapt to using firearms/bombs/etc or would they fail miserably.



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(see what I did there?)
 

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They'll probably be able to hide and sink in and might even get the kill off. I'm thinking they'll have a hard time ever escaping the scene though, given that the guards will lock down the entrance and bullets simply own swords. And even if he does get away, he'll be found due to data on surveillance cameras and the likes.

But on that note, how 'traditional' are we talking here, exactly? Seeing as the 'original' hassassins never even bothered trying to escape from the scene, iirc.
Go cyanide umbrella tips! Yeah, I agree, Assasins rarely tried to escape, once the hit has been performed they don't really care.
 

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Honestly, I would have to say I think that they would be more efficient, since they would have had to adapt to the escalation of technology. More focus on actually doing things as quickly as possible because of guns and other technology.

If anything, I imagine that most assassins would focus on looking like natural cause or accident. To really seem like a ghost because no one even suspects murder. The technology of Makes stabbing someone and leaving all that evidence just seem... crude.
 

Gmano

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Why the hell would you kill anyone in a public place? Ever.
No, you would wait till you are out of sight and do something like the guys who killed markov.

Assassins have always worked by using private areas. In fact the group who were the basis for AC1 was notorious for leaving knives on the pillows of high ranking people to scare the shit out of them. Quite often people are worth more alive than dead.