How Evil Is This Person?

[KissingSunlight]

Everyday I wake up and have faith in humanity. Everyday, usually after work, I have that faith in humanity shaken. I don't believe in calling people "Evil". Yet, this article shook my faith in humanity before I had a chance to put my clothes on to go to work.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/%e2%80%98it%e2%80%99s-now-or-never-texts-reveal-teen%e2%80%99s-efforts-to-pressure-boyfriend-into-suicide/ar-AAdOwEu

A teenage girl is on trial for manslaughter for convincing her boyfriend to commit suicide. In a series of text messages, she constantly berates the poor guy for hesitating, make suggestions on how he should kill himself, and other methods of encouraging him to kill himself.

What's really galling is what she did after he killed himself.

After his death, Carter became a self-proclaimed advocate for mental health.

She organized a fundraising tournament in Roy?s memory and posted on Facebook and Twitter about her attempts to save her boyfriend?s life.

?Even though I could not save my boyfriend?s life, I want to put myself out here to try to save as many other lives as possible,? she wrote on Facebook.

I read about other cases of people being "Professional Victims". This is so extreme. I can't put it into words This story has left me speechless. I think I am going to call in sick for work and hide underneath the covers today.

 

[runic knight]

holy crap that is just... wow.

The closest thing I can think of to that would be a story a while back about a mother that killed her kid by trying to keep them sick or something in order to maintain the attention they got as a mother of a constantly ill child. Both perpetrators are disgusting parasites.

 

[Redryhno]

Sounds like your typical teenager to me.

I jest, but eh, it's just sorta one of those things. Suicide's honestly something that really only hurts the people left behind as far as we know, and it's not anyone else's decision but that person's, but this is just all kinds of slimy. You don't go and egg someone on, it's sickening, but so long as that fundraiser went to help someone, it can't have been all bad.

holy crap that is just... wow.

The closest thing I can think of to that would be a story a while back about a mother that killed her kid by trying to keep them sick or something in order to maintain the attention they got as a mother of a constantly ill child. Both perpetrators are disgusting parasites.

I dunno, there was that Oklahoma woman that killed her three sons because she decided the husband wasn't paying enough attention to their daughter.

 

[Frezzato]

This sounds a lot like Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy, only it's between young people and there's evidence thanks to modern technology.

Then again, I just read the article and yeah, seems pretty evil.

 

[The Almighty Aardvark]

Uh. Wow.

That is absolutely sickening. The fact that the defense the lawyer is going with is "Free Speech"...

I don't even understand how someone could do this. It's clear that she knew 100% what she was doing was wrong. The way she tried to cover her tracks, talked to her friends about it, set up the fake fundraiser and kept pushing him to even when he didn't want to.

When started reading the story, I assumed that this was done out of some seriously misplaced caring, such as the guy was horribly depressed and he convinced her that the best way for him to get out of it was killing himself. That she was just being "supportive".

But no, she was the driving force of his suicide. It would be sick either way, but this is almost unbelievable. I wonder what sort of motivation she must have had, was this some sort of exercise of power? Had she grown tired of him and wanted an "easy out"?

The fact that she had told friends about this and they didn't contact anyone is also disgusting. Scary to know there's at least two people like her in the world

 

[Glongpre]

Wow...She seems like the worst kind of person. I am reminded of the wife from Gone Girl, just a crazy psycho sadistic *****. She should get life in prison, someone like that won't change.

The closest thing I can think of to that would be a story a while back about a mother that killed her kid by trying to keep them sick or something in order to maintain the attention they got as a mother of a constantly ill child. Both perpetrators are disgusting parasites.

That sounds like the Sixth Sense movie, but it does sound like something that would happen in real life too.

It is kinda baffling how some people can be so cruel.

 

[vallorn]

I'm... kind of speechless... How heartless a person can you be to not only push your significant other to suicide but then try to cover your tracks and profit from this in the same way. I can see the Free Speech argument coming from her lawyer here but this was psychological abuse of an extreme order.

I really hope that she get's convicted on one ground or another because this kind of abuse just doesn't stand no matter which partner is initiating it.

 

[WolfThomas]

That sounds like the Sixth Sense movie, but it does sound like something that would happen in real life too.

Munchausen by proxy. Its a thing.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

This sounds a lot like Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy, only it's between young people and there's evidence thanks to modern technology.

Then again, I just read the article and yeah, seems pretty evil.

I thought that syndrome was all about keeping the person sick for as long as possible to get tons of attention on how nice you are to take care of them.
Wouldn't that mean this monster of a woman keeps reminding her boyfriend how depressing his life is, but then constantly talks him down? Like a perpetual cycle?

This just seems like a lack of empathy. Like a sociopath type thing, where she did this just to see if she could.

 

[MysticSlayer]

I saw this while eating supper. Somehow I managed to stomach it. Reading that she had kept encouraging her boyfriend, who already wasn't in the best state of mind all the time, was bad enough, but then reading about her attempts to profit from it...

Overall, just a horrible, sickening thing to do.

 

[Godzillarich(aka tf2godz)]

I'm... kind of speechless... How heartless a person can you be to not only push your significant other to suicide but then try to cover your tracks and profit from this in the same way. I can see the Free Speech argument coming from her lawyer here but this was psychological abuse of an extreme order.

I really hope that she get's convicted on one ground or another because this kind of abuse just doesn't stand no matter which partner is initiating it.

Don't worry about justice working in court, her life is over anyway. anytime she try to get a job this will come up, she will most likely going to be the most infamous and hated person in her town.

The one thing about people is that we don't like injustice even if are hate is misguided and suicide is on the top tier list of things people don't like happening to other people. This will be on her back forever

 

[Fieldy409_v1legacy]

You know if she doesnt go down for manslaughter, the parents pretty much need to put her in a nuthouse...

 

[vallorn]

I'm... kind of speechless... How heartless a person can you be to not only push your significant other to suicide but then try to cover your tracks and profit from this in the same way. I can see the Free Speech argument coming from her lawyer here but this was psychological abuse of an extreme order.

I really hope that she get's convicted on one ground or another because this kind of abuse just doesn't stand no matter which partner is initiating it.

Don't worry about justice working in court, her life is over anyway. anytime she try to get a job this will come up, she will most likely going to be the most infamous and hated person in her town.

The one thing about people is that we don't like injustice even if are hate is misguided and suicide is on the top tier list of things people don't like happening to other people. This will be on her back forever

I try to avoid anything to do with mob justice simply because it's ridiculously easy to paint someone as a villain and get such a mob to ruin their life nowadays. A good example being that Nobel Prize winning scientist who made a joke referencing how he and his scientist wife met at a conference to which the only person in the room who took offense took the entire thing out of context, made up some lies, and had his life utterly ruined before his plane home had even touched down.

For this reason one should NEVER advocate for mob justice no matter the issue, it's far too easy for it to go after the wrong person and it can seriously damage the lives of innocents based on hearsay or malicious lies.

Make no mistake, I utterly despise this girl and her actions, but if the justice system fails to prove her guilt then I suggest advocating for legal reform so that it doesn't happen again rather than becoming a vigilante.

Hmm, okay rereading your post I think I misinterpreted it. You were not advocating anything of the sort, I think my point still stands on it's own so I'm going to leave it there but when it comes to blacklisting people like that the water's get murky, one has to balance discrimination like this with the company's freedom of association which I would suggest takes precedence during the hiring process.

 

[FalloutJack]

Evil is a villainy thing. It has style. This woman is psychotic. She's ONLY a terrible person, and not very bright.

 

[Godzillarich(aka tf2godz)]

You know if she doesnt go down for manslaughter, the parents pretty much need to put her in a nuthouse...

As far as I know being a sociopath isn't a mental illness or at least not a one they can throw you in the nut house for.

 

[Mister K]

Evil is a villainy thing. It has style. This woman is psychotic. She's ONLY a terrible person, and not very bright.

Nice one.

OT: Yeah, people are messed up. It would've been a bit easier to deal with her here in Ukraine. Article 120 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine "leading [a person] to suicide". Leading a person to a suicide or an attempted suicide is a crime, plane and simple. With US legal system though, I wonder whether she'll go home or not (even WITH her messages as an evidence), her being woman and all.

 

[Timeless Lavender]

As far as I know being a sociopath isn't a mental illness or at least not a one they can throw you in the nut house for.

Technically, it is. Sociopathy and Psychopathy, or better known as in DMS-5 handbook, "Anti-Social Personality Disorder" is a mental disorder under the personality disorder umbrella. Just like many mental illness, it can be treated in psychiatric hospitals.

On Topic:

What she did was very horrendous. Reminds me of certain types of people who would go to extreme ways just to get attention or sympathies. Also, not a fan of calling people "Evil".

 

[The Almighty Aardvark]

Just for more context for the story, part of Michelle Carter's defense is based around a claim that originally Roy wanted them to kill themselves together as a sort of Romeo and Juliet thing.

I'm not sure if there's any actual record of these texts, or if they're just claimed by the defense, but most of these articles gloss over that part and I thought it might be relevant.

Source: https://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/jessica_heslam/2015/08/heslam_grandmother_says_there_is_no_moving_on_from

 

[Lil_Rimmy]

I don't give two shits how "mentally disturbed" that girl is, they need to lock her the fuck up and throw away the goddamn key.

And then maybe carbon monoxide poison her after a few decades. Fuck that fucking *****. God everything about that story makes me angry.

 

[Bat Vader]

Manslaughter? This shit sounds premeditated. Try her as an adult with a murder charge and when she is found guilty throw her in prison for life. People like this woman don't deserve to walk the streets.