How is Dragon's Crown a parody?
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Well he didn't use those exact words. He explains his reasoning here.wulf3n said:
http://kotaku.com/the-artist-behind-dragons-crown-explains-his-exaggerat-482450927
perhaps it's an Affectionate Parody
Anyways,
I can see people judging something on it's art style. But judging it solely on only that seems... ehhhhh......
My "something wrong" detector just goes off when people decry things to be sexist because "boobs." :/
I mean that's a byproduct of sexism, not a direct indicator.
Anyways,
I can see people judging something on it's art style. But judging it solely on only that seems... ehhhhh......
My "something wrong" detector just goes off when people decry things to be sexist because "boobs." :/
I mean that's a byproduct of sexism, not a direct indicator.
It depends, I guess. If a game is making it clear that a female character is not available to the male player, because of her sexual preferences, then that's sort of bold. But if a game presents most of its female characters in suggestive poses most of the time, one letter would hardly make for an in any way consistent message in that direction.IllumInaTIma said:
But a reference to homosexuality alone? I mean... lesbians are hot, aren't they? If 1/3 of all porn is about lesbians (this number is based on week-long, meticulous, and physically exhaustive, research) I find it hard to regard that alone as a subversive message.
Yes, that looks stupid. But is that face that different from what the standard portrayal of any male, bar the "fringe characters", is like, in anime? How are you supposed to know, then, that this time it is a parody?Abomination said:
Anyway, if it was a parody, it would be obviously a poor one, as barely anyone seems to recognize it as such. If South Park pokes fun of the Mormons in an episode, and half its viewers think the Mormon church is really cool and become members after watching the episode, something would have went wrong.
By the accounts of people who actually played it, there's a lot more going on than just "boobs". They're talking about virtually every female character being heavily sexualized, you know.KOMega said:
Personally, I believe his defense of the art style makes it look like it was played completely straight. Also, the game doesn't have many humorous content to make it seem like it was tongue in cheek.
Besides, there is the issue of Poe's Law: "Without a blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of extremism or fundamentalism that someone won't mistake for the real thing."
Besides, there is the issue of Poe's Law: "Without a blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of extremism or fundamentalism that someone won't mistake for the real thing."
So the satire of Dragon's Crown is "Big tits are big tits, cuz big tits"!?
Move over, Verhoeven.
When you consider games like Soul Calibur, the Team Ninja games, and a meriad of other Japanese titles of the same nature, you'd be forgiven to think Dragon's Crown is just yet another jiggle fest originating from a rather sexually repressed society.
Move over, Verhoeven.
When you consider games like Soul Calibur, the Team Ninja games, and a meriad of other Japanese titles of the same nature, you'd be forgiven to think Dragon's Crown is just yet another jiggle fest originating from a rather sexually repressed society.
So what exactly is it supposed to be parodying? Big tits and big asses? Where is the parody elements in the other characters? There is a difference between saying "it's a parody" and simply drawing big tits in an absurd way because you think it is funny or amusing. Parody requires a certain consistency of tone or messaging. Whereas "hah hah! Tits go boing boing boing" is simply childish tasteless body humor and more than a bit creepy.
No, but they are there.lapan said:
The Last of Us is one of the best games I played in years, but if throughout the whole game Joel would sport a big floppy nose, you can bet your ass it would significantly downgrade the experience.
Also, there are jiggle physics and there are jiggle physics. Resident Evil 4 had jiggle physics, so did Metal Gear Solid 3, but then you probably hardly even noticed them. In games like Soul Calibur or Dead or Alive it's hard to notice anything else. Christ, they even advertize the games solely on this aspect.
I can't say i ever really payed attention to jiggle physics in the first place, and it's not why i played the Soul Calibur series. I doubt that even a mayority played them because of it.Casual Shinji said:
I do recognize however that the newer games of the series seem to have taken a lot of inspiration of Team Ninja games, gutting the other features of the series and started to advertize it with tits, which is regretable.
The ads of SCV were literally tits and asses.
Actually, the Dwarf/Elf thing is a throwback to the original DnD. Back then Dwarf and Elf were classes, not races. Humans were emphasized for versatility and could go in multiple directions, but other races were locked in to a class by design. If you went Elf, you got a ranger with magical support, if you went Dwarf, you got a tanky berserker. It wasn't just a class thing, there were other mechanics that differentiated Dwarves and Elves from the humans, most notably they had faster leveling system, but capped out sooner, but now I'm just starting to ramble.AngelOfBlueRoses said:
Yep, looked at them, read the posts. I still fail to see any parody here. I see a somewhat exaggerated art style. But it's grossly inconsistent in what might be stretched to be called humor elements. Remind me again, what's the elf supposed to be parodying? What exactly is the deconstruction going on here besides a few examples of truly tasteless character design? Because "Japanese guy finds big wobbly breasts amusing" is not actually parody. I'll give you that you can see the intent of the designer for an overly stylized Frazeta type look. But that only seems to apply to a few of the characters such as the Dwarf and Amazon. The elf, wizard and fighter are played pretty much straight, and the sorceress is pure classic Japanese fan service. So I ask again, where is the parody? What is the messaging? What is overall being deconstructed for amusement and commentary? Quite often the shortest and most direct answer is the true one. Yeah the artist may say "it's a parody of ... Something" once controversy hits. But really the most infect message there is " I like big boobs! Boing!"lapan said:
And you can enjoy a game while still being critical of some aspects. It's not a binary thing.Casual Shinji said:
How is the fighter not overly stylized as well? just look at his proportions which are some of the most extreme in hte entire game. His upper body is almost bigger than the rest of his body and his weapon is extremly small when compared to him. The elf and the wizard are the only ones who look remotely normal.faefrost said:
As for close analysis of the other parody elements; my copy is still on it's way so i personally can only go of the character designs so far. I might be able to bring more insight in a day or two when the game arrives.
I always scratch my head when someone posts a picture of Ivy and then calls it: "That's the norm of gaming".
What? Okay. Apparently i'm living in a parallel universe but Ivy is still in the top league of silly characterdesigns.
And definitly not game standart. Even if i take a look at the mainstream AAA titles. Those are more dominated by the tall, muscular, stubby mid-30 action-hero duder-guy than by EE-Cup women.
I give you that these kind of women are more common in japanese games, but that's a sub-category of the whole gaming industry and definitly doesnt define the "norm of gaming".
And jeah, the asians have all kinds of over-the-top characters. It's their main design principle since.. well, as long as i read mangas and watch animes.
Tropes and Stereotypes all over the place.
I've only seen the trailers of DC, but just from lookin' at that it should be pretty clear that this is a parody.
What? Okay. Apparently i'm living in a parallel universe but Ivy is still in the top league of silly characterdesigns.
And definitly not game standart. Even if i take a look at the mainstream AAA titles. Those are more dominated by the tall, muscular, stubby mid-30 action-hero duder-guy than by EE-Cup women.
I give you that these kind of women are more common in japanese games, but that's a sub-category of the whole gaming industry and definitly doesnt define the "norm of gaming".
And jeah, the asians have all kinds of over-the-top characters. It's their main design principle since.. well, as long as i read mangas and watch animes.
Tropes and Stereotypes all over the place.
I've only seen the trailers of DC, but just from lookin' at that it should be pretty clear that this is a parody.
I've been constantly told by both the developers and fans of Dragon's Crown that the game is a parody, but the actual game doesn't hold up. If you definite a parody as a piece of media that exploits the tropes and conventions of its genre for the purpose of humor or commentary (and I've never seen any other definition of parody), then Dragon's Crown is a failed parody. Sure, perhaps the intent to parody was there but I haven't seen any substantial evidence of humor in the game in the two weeks since it was first released. Fans keep saying the character designs are parodies but ridiculously impractical design isn't humorous in and of itself.
Dragon's Crown being a failed parody wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the material it was intending to satirize. Overwhelmingly sexual portrayals of women has been a problem for both fantasy media and gaming for ages and by following that trend and not really subverting it Dragon's Crown only contributes to the problem.
Dragon's Crown being a failed parody wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the material it was intending to satirize. Overwhelmingly sexual portrayals of women has been a problem for both fantasy media and gaming for ages and by following that trend and not really subverting it Dragon's Crown only contributes to the problem.