How is labour character building?

shadowstriker86

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it can but most of the time it doesnt. it's the perception that if you're willing to do what it takes to survive, you will and that means you're a competant member of society. however if you're just some shmuck that works at taco bell for 20 years that just shows you'll take anything given to you and wont want to do anything else, unless of course you had the unfortunate luck of not being able to get a better job in that timeline lol
 

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Tom1351 said:
If this is done without so much as a kind word, then your parents aren't good people. They probably don't enjoy life very much if they can't even thank their child for doing something for them. Most parents just use that line as an excuse because they don't want to do it. It is important to have responsibilities, however. Without them you end up taking everything for granted and can't understand why the world doesn't bow down for you. I know that washing the dishes sucks and isn't fun, but there are worse things in the world. Just listen to music while you wash. Sing to yourself. Hum a tune. Watch TV between rinses. It doesn't have to be complete drudgery. Try having a conversation while you do it. Get your parents to help you out. Don't resort to "Do it yourself." Tell them "You do it with me." They probably just want help, not a slave.

You're at a tough part of life, I know. I'm just getting out of it myself. It helps to stay calm. Take it all in stride. Most things don't make a difference in the long run. It will mean a lot more to your parents for you to help them than it will to you if you just refuse.

I hope this helps more than the trolls that have instantly flooded this thread with agist hate.
 

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aba1 said:
They teach you that life isnt always easy and that your going to have to do hard work so you have to learn to suck it up n stop being a baby. It also teaches you the value of labour you have to earn what you get when you are on your own. Also running had alot of great positive outcomes on your body.

Honestly you sound like a little kid who can't stand that he actually had to pull a little weight for once.

edit: I guess you are just a kid you'll grow up eventually.
Terribly useless response. Telling a kid that he'll grow up eventually achieves nothing. He came here for advice, not a blatant fact. I'm sure it would kill you to be helpful and understanding.
 

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PissOffRoth said:
aba1 said:
They teach you that life isnt always easy and that your going to have to do hard work so you have to learn to suck it up n stop being a baby. It also teaches you the value of labour you have to earn what you get when you are on your own. Also running had alot of great positive outcomes on your body.

Honestly you sound like a little kid who can't stand that he actually had to pull a little weight for once.

edit: I guess you are just a kid you'll grow up eventually.
Terribly useless response. Telling a kid that he'll grow up eventually achieves nothing. He came here for advice, not a blatant fact. I'm sure it would kill you to be helpful and understanding.

If he came her for advice I would have given advice but he came here to complain about having to do a little bit of house work. It really annoys me because all I see there is a kid whos so spoiled he doesn't understand how good he has it.
 

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I don't think that's it at all. Sometimes, we have to do shit we don't want to do. Heck with sometimes, A LOT OF times we will have to do things we don't want to do. But the ability to see beyond your wants and needs and grasp the concept that this shit needs to get done, and then doing it...that is a character trait worthy of being built upon.

You don't believe that learning how to deal with bullies is a valuable life skill? You will need to know this shit, there are bullies all over the place and they're not always as overt as punching you for your lunch money.
At no point did I say that learning how to deal with bullies was a bad thing, and at no point did I say learning to see beyond your wants and needs was a bad thing either, so I don't really get where you're coming from I'm afraid.

Allowing someone to be bullied because it's "character building" will not teach them how to deal with bullies, and forcing someone to do volunteer work will not teach them to emphasize with other people.

Also, as an aside, please tell me you don't think that allowing kids to be bullied is a good thing. I'm sure I'm just misinterpreting what you wrote, but it sounded to me like you were one of those people (which I hoped no longer existed).
 

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Heres what I've learned on life at the disgruntled age of 24.

Union road workers are only working a third of the time. Just watched five of em watch a backhoe dig while one held a sign and two f#$%ed off and didn't even smoke, and they make at least 30 bucks plus benafits.

The average wage building custom cottages up at the lakes, workers knowing how to set walls and maybe calculate rafters (foremans work) is about 17$.

When I worked, I make 6.25, 7.50, 8.50 and 10$ by summers. The only benafit I got was a ten minute break when I took a skull-disfiguring skull fracture.

Suitmen just ass around all day, rule 66 of the internet. The only exeption is my NFA (Canada) and NRA member uncle who works as a high ranking engineer who writes the criteria for Canadian Standards Association for making sure dismaly shoddy chinese products arent also slightly dangerous and watches his 'colleges' gab on all day and waste the communal economy of people who work and not just occupy time we could all be spending listenin to Gorillaz or saving up for a MacMillan Tac50 in .416 Barret (no, just civilian militia i figure, or just use my time in the Cadets and roll with my present rank of private) or just fapping off to insinuation-dripping lineporn.

The meaning of all of this is probably not death squads, but fuck, im in a pretty bad mood right now
 

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Working definitely teaches you responsibility, and that much is character building.

But what I can't stand is when adults use the reasoning "Life's not fair" or "Because I said so" to explain things to their children. That's just teaching your kids to have a poor outlook on life; all you're going to achieve with that is turning your kid into an angry little snot.
 

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Just do the chores and dont complain, I do way more around my house than you, i also take pride in what I do cause I know it did something posative and helpful for the house. So next time your washing to dishes and think "wow i hate washing the dishes" just think that eating off a clean plate is better than eating off a dirty one. Also it teaches how to do stuff when your on your own in life.
 

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Tom1351 said:
TL;DR Why are chores justified as character building if the character is simply being happy to bend over and take it without reason or complaint?
Because it's a valuable life lesson. Life rarely goes fully your way, and you will have to do things you don't want to do.

Chores and the like teach you how to deal with it. Responsibility and being an adult sucks, chores help teach you the skills needed to make it go as easily as possible. It's not pleasant, and it's not supposed to be, but being able to accept that occasionally life sucks and dealing with it is part of growing up.
 

shootandshiver

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I gotta thank buchholz101... damn thats some sweet lesson

I of course understand that a guy who admires Plastic Beach for acknowledging that libs arent any better for the (yeah, argue, emotions) negro than conservatives dont really belong on escapsit, but i have watched all of Benjamin Sebastian Godzilla Croshaws videos a good 5 times...

(some angry ranting, stuff im not gunna bother you with)(niko, it iz your cazan)
 

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Tom1351 said:
You're 15. Do your chores, learn how to do them, and then post a new topic when you're in college complaining about a roommate who won't clean up his own messes. That's how chores are character building; by doing them, you don't become that guy who's a slob, relied on his parents for everything, and never learned to grow up.

When I first moved off campus one of the two other guys I was going to room with in the apartment backed out last minute and we had to find someone. A friend suggested one of his frat buddies who was looking for a place to stay. We called him, seemed like a nice guy over the phone, and decided he'd be fine. Biggest mistake ever. The guy didn't do dishes, he didn't clean his room, he never once cleaned up his bathroom (the one on the main floor that everyone who visited would use; we had to direct them downstairs to our bathroom because there were layers of black stuff all over everything in his), he didn't throw anything of his own away, he ate our food, he refused to help us cook dinner or clean up dinner, and so on ans so forth, to the point where he literally lived off the couch. He would eat on the couch while playing video games, he would leave his plates and trash on the couch, he slept on the couch because his room was too messy to walk through... To top it all off, he took showers maybe twice a week.

Hell, we were doing dishes and he walked in the kitchen, opened the fridge, grabbed a leftover sandwich that was mine, proceeded to open it up and watch us doing dishes. We asked him to help, and you know what he said? "No," before walking back to his couch and going back to playing Dragon Age at the loudest volume possible (which, by the way, he would do until 5am every night. I still can't play that game with the music on because it makes me want to blow something up). He pulled the same shit as we were cooking dinner; we asked if he'd help, since we were making enough for him. He said no, then walked off. We ended up hiding "his" portion of the meal in a mini-fridge we bought so we could store our stuff in it. He even had the gall at one point, after we'd moved most of our stuff to the mini-fridge, where we had moved the food because he was hungry.

By the end of the year we'd started stacking all the dishes and trash he left out in his room for him to clean up. Even then, he just walked around it, or moved stuff so he could walk around it.

We kicked him out when we signed the new lease, and he's living by himself now. Went over there once, just to be nice, and his place is almost exactly the same as his room was; shit everywhere, trash littering the floor and furniture, clothes piled up on his floor, etc. Places smelled like someone took a shit on the floor and tried to clean it up with sewer water.

And that's why you do your chores; so you don't grow up feeling a false sense of entitlement and thinking you don't have to clean up after yourself because your shit smells like flowers.
 

TheJesus89

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God.

Get over it, that's why.

So just do the fucking dishes and quit over thinking it.

Kids these days...
 

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aba1 said:
They teach you that life isnt always easy and that your going to have to do hard work so you have to learn to suck it up n stop being a baby. It also teaches you the value of labour you have to earn what you get when you are on your own. Also running had alot of great positive outcomes on your body.

Honestly you sound like a little kid who can't stand that he actually had to pull a little weight for once.

edit: I guess you are just a kid you'll grow up eventually.
I've been noticing the posts you make quite often and must say, thank you. You capture the essence of what I want to say perfectly without me having to try and figure out how I want to put it.
 

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There character building in my experience.

Whether it's slogging bricks or shifting logs I've found that with your mind free from having to concentrate on the task it gives you lots of time to think on characters.
 

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Zantos said:
aba1 said:
They teach you that life isnt always easy and that your going to have to do hard work so you have to learn to suck it up n stop being a baby. It also teaches you the value of labour you have to earn what you get when you are on your own. Also running had alot of great positive outcomes on your body.

Honestly you sound like a little kid who can't stand that he actually had to pull a little weight for once.

edit: I guess you are just a kid you'll grow up eventually.
I've been noticing the posts you make quite often and must say, thank you. You capture the essence of what I want to say perfectly without me having to try and figure out how I want to put it.
Thanks ^^ I was actually worried I was being a little to cynical at times :p