how is the UFC thuggish

[Dogstile]

Ah brilliant. I love it when people discuss fighting, its really obvious when the person arguing in favour of a martial art has no training in it. Or if they've ever been in a fight.

With that said, I wouldn't call it thuggish. Thuggish implies criminal. UFC is legal.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

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So you would condemn a woman who has fought off a rapist by eye gouging because she didn't attempt more civilized methods first?

And those situations don' exist? I really wish that were true, but if you haven't heard rape does indeed exist. And, believe it or not, quite often it is a violent act when a much stronger male attacks a weaker female. The weaker female will then rely on ease to attack soft spots like, oh, the eyes.

You're still trying to make it sound like I'm saying more damaging methods like that should be used regardless of the situation, which is simply untrue. If that is the impression you have had from classes you've witnessed, then I would suggest a more respectable school.

Basically, it's the condom principle. I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

Or like the nose, the throat, solar plexus, high heel to the nerves in the foot or nerves in the inner thigh. If you really think I am saying it should never be used you just aren't reading what I am saying. An eye gouge is a last resort not a go to self defence which you seem to be under the impression it is and by the way no one think self defence is civilised. If they think it is civilised they are deluded. This is just keeping people out of gaol.

This where I genuinely think you aren't paying attention to me. I never said rape doesn't exist I said a rape situation where you would 100% have to do an eye gouge is ridiculously low and other defences need to be taught. If you aren't saying more damaging methods be used then give one. You keep on going for an extreme self defence for an extremely rare situation.

So don't put words in my mouth that I am saying rape doesn't exist. You aren't giving me any other impression of MMA or Krav Maga.

This is why when every good self defence teacher does teach self defence they show all possible techniques to use for a scenario and recommend which ones are best. So yes eye gouge should be taught but recommended against unless absolutely necessary. Once again if you don't think these last resort self defence are a go to think then give a different one. I've given several and stated that an eye gouge can used in certain situations. That is self defence.

If you really think that strength is a factor in all self defence techniques then you have been taught a very limited pool of self defence. A "weak" girl could easily stop a haymaker for a big, strong man.

 

[Fatboy_41]

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I can see we're not going to agree. I'll keep practicing my art, and you keep doing yours. If you think mine is thuggish, that's fine by me.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

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I can see we're not going to agree. I'll keep practicing my art, and you keep doing yours. If you think mine is thuggish, that's fine by me.

That is fine and I do not think it is thuggish it does not fit the definition of thuggish unless you do illegal cage fights. I think it needs (in general sticking to general view) it needs more tact in self defence taught.

 

[JoshFTL]

People who compare MMA to modern-day cock fighting annoy the hell out me, it just shows how ignorant some people can be about a sport they know very little about.

I somewhat agree with people who say that the UFC is watering down modern MMA, what with the abundance of boring High-School wrestlers who's only strategy is to hold the opponent down to score points. I still watch every UFC event however, there are some fights that just are just amazing to watch, IE Shogun Rua vs Dan Henderson.

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

People punch other people in the head. That is all I have to say!

 

[Alexi089]

I'd say it's kinda thuggish, mainly because they allow things like wildly pummeling the life out of each other once one opponent gets the other to the ground, bare knee and elbow strikes to the face and hacking away at people's knee joints with round house kicks until their joint starts to give way. It's personal preference, I guess, but I'd far rather see fighters have to rely solely on solid ground grappling strategy to get a lock, choke or pin; and well timed punching, kicking and parrying to get a knockout or point win than the slightly more brutal methods I listed above.

Call me soft, but I don't like to see (hopefully) good athlethes leaving a ring with potentially life altering injuries when a few changes to the rules could allow the sport to keep it's test of skill and physical endurance with fewer serious risks. Granted, serious injuries do happen in judo or boxing (which I prefer watching to MMA), but there appears to be much more consideration for safety overall in these sports; and a greater reliance on timing and outwitting your opponent, at least to my eyes.

 

[Robot-Jesus]

I'd say it's kinda thuggish, mainly because they allow things like wildly pummeling the life out of each other once one opponent gets the other to the ground, bare knee and elbow strikes to the face and hacking away at people's knee joints with round house kicks until their joint starts to give way. It's personal preference, I guess, but I'd far rather see fighters have to rely solely on solid ground grappling strategy to get a lock, choke or pin; and well timed punching, kicking and parrying to get a knockout or point win than the slightly more brutal methods I listed above.

Call me soft, but I don't like to see (hopefully) good athlethes leaving a ring with potentially life altering injuries when a few changes to the rules could allow the sport to keep it's test of skill and physical endurance with fewer serious risks. Granted, serious injuries do happen in judo or boxing (which I prefer watching to MMA), but there appears to be much more consideration for safety overall in these sports; and a greater reliance on timing and outwitting your opponent, at least to my eyes.

the wild pummelling is better then the ten count in boxing, 2 seconds of ground and pound vs a guy who takes 9 seconds to stand up getting another dose of punishment.

MMA looks harsh, but is safer then many sports you could name. just compare the injuries from chearleading vs MMA

http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2008/03/04/bjsm.2007.044891.abstract
"During the 635 professional MMA matches, 300 of the 1,270 athletes sustained documented injuries with an injury rate of 23.6 per 100 fight participations. Most common reported injuries were lacerations and upper extremity injuries. Severe concussion rate was 16.5 per 1,000 athlete exposures, or 3.3% of all matches. No deaths or critical sports-related injuries resulted from any of the regulated matches during the study period. Age, weight, and fight experience did not statistically increase the likelihood of injuries after controlling for other covariates.

Conclusions: Injury rates in regulated professional MMA competition are similar to other combat sports; the overall risk of critical sports-related injury appears low. Additional study is warranted to achieve a better understanding of injury trends and ways to further lower injury risk in MMA. "

http://www.livescience.com/2775-girls-dangerous-sport-cheerleading.html

"High school cheerleading accounted for 65.1 percent of all catastrophic sports injuries among high school females over the past 25 years, according to an annual report released Monday by the National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research. "

 

[Robot-Jesus]

I'd say it's kinda thuggish, mainly because they allow things like wildly pummeling the life out of each other once one opponent gets the other to the ground, bare knee and elbow strikes to the face and hacking away at people's knee joints with round house kicks until their joint starts to give way. It's personal preference, I guess, but I'd far rather see fighters have to rely solely on solid ground grappling strategy to get a lock, choke or pin; and well timed punching, kicking and parrying to get a knockout or point win than the slightly more brutal methods I listed above.

Call me soft, but I don't like to see (hopefully) good athlethes leaving a ring with potentially life altering injuries when a few changes to the rules could allow the sport to keep it's test of skill and physical endurance with fewer serious risks. Granted, serious injuries do happen in judo or boxing (which I prefer watching to MMA), but there appears to be much more consideration for safety overall in these sports; and a greater reliance on timing and outwitting your opponent, at least to my eyes.

the wild pummelling is better then the ten count in boxing, 2 seconds of ground and pound vs a guy who takes 9 seconds to stand up getting another dose of punishment.

MMA looks harsh, but is safer then many sports you could name. just compare the injuries from chearleading vs MMA

http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2008/03/04/bjsm.2007.044891.abstract
"During the 635 professional MMA matches, 300 of the 1,270 athletes sustained documented injuries with an injury rate of 23.6 per 100 fight participations. Most common reported injuries were lacerations and upper extremity injuries. Severe concussion rate was 16.5 per 1,000 athlete exposures, or 3.3% of all matches. No deaths or critical sports-related injuries resulted from any of the regulated matches during the study period. Age, weight, and fight experience did not statistically increase the likelihood of injuries after controlling for other covariates.

Conclusions: Injury rates in regulated professional MMA competition are similar to other combat sports; the overall risk of critical sports-related injury appears low. Additional study is warranted to achieve a better understanding of injury trends and ways to further lower injury risk in MMA. "

http://www.livescience.com/2775-girls-dangerous-sport-cheerleading.html

"High school cheerleading accounted for 65.1 percent of all catastrophic sports injuries among high school females over the past 25 years, according to an annual report released Monday by the National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research. "

 

[StBishop]

I also enjoy watching specialists from various schools of martial arts fight to see what is most effective.

A shame most of what's unique about various styles is filtered out until we've got the McDonald's version of "mixed" martial arts.

Yeah, I watched a Judoka in his first professional UFC fight and it was one of the best MMA matches I've seen because his style was almost pure.

 

[Something Amyss]

Yeah, I watched a Judoka in his first professional UFC fight and it was one of the best MMA matches I've seen because his style was almost pure.

Now that I would have loved to see.

 

[StBishop]

Yeah, I watched a Judoka in his first professional UFC fight and it was one of the best MMA matches I've seen because his style was almost pure.

Now that I would have loved to see.

Yeah, it was in Brazil, he got thoroughly trounced because his striking was pretty poor, but he managed some really impressive groundwork and a nice takedown.

 

[omega 616]

I'd say it's kinda thuggish, mainly because they allow things like wildly pummeling the life out of each other once one opponent gets the other to the ground, bare knee and elbow strikes to the face and hacking away at people's knee joints with round house kicks until their joint starts to give way.

Granted, serious injuries do happen in judo or boxing (which I prefer watching to MMA), but there appears to be much more consideration for safety overall in these sports; and a greater reliance on timing and outwitting your opponent, at least to my eyes.

I have seen guys in boxing be pushed up against the ropes or into the corner and leathered till the ref decides "ok, this is getting a little uncomfy to watch". Were as in the UFC not one person has ever kneed an opponents head who was on the floor and won.

There have also been a tonne of deaths in boxing and not one (that I know of) in the UFC from fighting.

Sure if you watch pride fights then you are talking pretty brutal stuff but UFC is different

 

[Stu35]

The reason I believe Krav and MMA are the most effective styles for self defence is the sheer variety, and the early UFC tournaments showed that.

Actually, all you'll end up with knowing a lot, but lacking the routine and experience to effectively execute any techniques. I'd much rather know a limited arsenal and execute it confidently.

This.


As I understand it, the Royal Marines teach a limited set techniques for self defence. It's not fancy, but it works. Mostly it seems to be a bit of Judo style throwing attackers to the ground with some well placed elbows and knees thrown in.

 

[weker]

I find most fighting sports thuggish, the only ones I don't is boxing, but that's mostly due to the restrictions and how they fight. I just find their is more going on, more tactics and more finesse. Don't get me wrong the likes Tyson Fury don't show any tactics apart from fighting Rocky style (taking punch after punch, to tire them down, and then absolutely obliterating them in another. If you haven't seen him you should go look at his game against Neven Pajkic it's better then rocky)
But for the most part UFC just seems like punching and kicking, and grabbing them if you can, it seems more like just attacking them when you can with not much thought.