How many homophobic people are there actually?
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There's a lot of subtle and not-so-subtle prejudice sent towards people who are not-straight.
How it has changed in centuries past is not my concern. Its definition within my life time is my only concern. And that definition is a union of a man and a woman which has legal benefits/responsibilities and strong religious overtones.Friv said:
I have no problem at all with homosexual/lesbian couples getting all the legal rights and responsibilities to it under a different heading. Of course, my ultimate solution[footnote]Which will never happen because it would require both sides to get their heads outta their asses and compromise. Which lets be honest, both sides are too fucking stupid to do.[/footnote] would be for a countries president/prime minister/ruling warlord to go the whole separation of church and state way, thus declaring that they, as a representative of the government, have no right to judge on religious matters. So the title of Marriage becomes a issue of the church. So therefore, under the law, all marriage type unions carry the same name regardless of the sex of both parties. So legally speaking its civil unions all round. Leave the "marriage" issue to the church.
And I would be happy with that compromise simply because it would stop all the whining and wasting of tax payer money on something that is totally unimportant.
Nope. The word tranny may be offensive to some people but is is most certainly not a pejorative in itself. It is simply a contraction of Transsexual/Trangender/Tran-whatever-fucking-title-they-want-to-be-known-as-this-week as I am not learning a whole assload of terms for a bunch of people who can not even decide themselves what is the correct word this week. And they always get so goddamn pissy if you use the wrong one.
Fortunately for me the escapist head mod agrees with me as I got a warning over turned because he agreed with my definition.
Some people may view the word Jap as offensive but to most it is simply a contraction of Japanese. Same with Yank, auzzie, brit, etc. All these words by themselves are fine. They would only be offensive if used offensively.
Some people may find the word tranny offensive but ultimately that is their problem. Not mine.
Oh and please don't both with the delicate speech stuff man. I find constant apologies only make people muddle their wording. Feel free to say whatever you want.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.353894-Reverend-Execute-Homosexuals#14049953
Yeah. There's a lot of it.
Yeah. There's a lot of it.
Missouri for one, Kansas for another. Basically anywhere there that is called the bible belt as far as the US goes. I am a homosexual who hides it, because I'd lose my job, my family, my friends if they found out. Its extremely un-friendly towards homosexuals here.IamQ said:
Also in the middle east and several other countries its still a capital offense to be gay. (refer to chart http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory
The first thing you say is obviously hyperbole, so I'll ignore that. As for your gay marriage thing, why do you think it's a problem for two people who love each other to show the public that they commit to each other, and have it be recognized by the government? And why should it be called something else just because the participants are slightly different?Monkeyman O said:
But you obviously think differently, and I wanted to know what your reasoning is because I am a curious kitty.
However, I do take serious umbrage with "tranny". Really? Is it truly so hard for you to be just slightly not-rude?
EDIT: THE ABOVE HAS ALREADY BEEN NINJA'D. READ IF YOU WANT TO SEE A FUNNY SATURDAY MORNING BREAKFAST CEREAL COMIC, BUT OTHERWISE YOU CAN MOVE ALONG.
Why are you apprehensive, if I may ask? As far as I can tell, most people in the not-straight community are pretty much the same as those in the straight community, just that they like to have sex with different things.Evil Smurf said:
Just so you know, I'm not saying this condescendingly, or Xly or Yly or Zly, I'm actually just curious.
Hear hear!Easton Dark said:
I think there are more homophobic-phobics than actual homophobes these days.
people are more worried about being politically correct and not offending people. it's everyone's right to be gay or bi or straight or whatever, but it's not alright to be against these things.
whenever someone does speak ill of someone else's orientation they are shouted down by the angry mob who proudly spout their case and belittle the offender calling them a relic or a homophrobe or saying they have an issue because they aren't comfortable with their own sexuality.
do I agree with homosexuality? nope.
do I have gay friends? yup.
do they know I think it's wrong? yup.
are we mature enough to not let this affect our friendship? yup.
have we argued about whether or not they should be aloud to by married? damn straight we have.
what's me beef with gay marriage? it is and always has been the "sacred bond between a man and a woman" if thy want to be legally recognised as a couple, fine, but don't destroy what other have held dear for hundreds / thousands of years in the process.
people are more worried about being politically correct and not offending people. it's everyone's right to be gay or bi or straight or whatever, but it's not alright to be against these things.
whenever someone does speak ill of someone else's orientation they are shouted down by the angry mob who proudly spout their case and belittle the offender calling them a relic or a homophrobe or saying they have an issue because they aren't comfortable with their own sexuality.
do I agree with homosexuality? nope.
do I have gay friends? yup.
do they know I think it's wrong? yup.
are we mature enough to not let this affect our friendship? yup.
have we argued about whether or not they should be aloud to by married? damn straight we have.
what's me beef with gay marriage? it is and always has been the "sacred bond between a man and a woman" if thy want to be legally recognised as a couple, fine, but don't destroy what other have held dear for hundreds / thousands of years in the process.
youre allowed to speak out your belifs..Trunipbob said:
and Im allowed to question them, apealing to the fact your veiw is not a popular one doesnt make any criticism of that veiw any less vailid
also....hahaha hetero people have been destroying marrage on our own....adding gays wont change a thing
I think your solution of "turn marriage into a religious thing, make 'gay marriage' legal but have the governmentally acknowledged term for marriages -straight or gay- be 'civil union'" is a good and decent one. However, I'm confused as to why you only concern yourself with the definition of marriage that it is now. As has been said, what marriage is has changed a whole lot over the years, especially within living memory. To restrict oneself to the strict interpretation of what you see in front of you seems to be looking at it the wrong way.Monkeyman O said:
At least for me, the core of marriage is and has been the public acknowledgment of a union between people that love and care for each other, and the gender/sex/race/hat preference of the participants seems irrelevant to me. So long as the term the government uses is marriage, why can't homosexual couples be married?[footnote]An irrelevant point: people being married should be called marriage because "civil unioned" doesn't have the same ring to it.[/footnote]
Also, I looked the word up on google and the first page was Wikipedia.[footnote]The next... many were porn sites, so yeah.Monkeyman O said:
Should have seen that coming.
Moving along.[/footnote]
Here is what the page says:
I understand that there is a lot of confusing lingo and so forth, but transgender is an umbrella term that isn't an insult. It's not about having to be PC (that would be needing to be absolutely correct on specifically what minor variation you're talking about), it's about being not insulting or rude. If you aren't meaning to be insulting, it takes the same effort to type "transgender" as opposed to "tranny". If you are meaning to be insulting, then trying to hide behind "but I'm just trying to be all edgy and not PC" insults the intelligence of both of us.Wikipedia said:
I don't think it's an issue in Australia. Most people don't care. Of course, if I see a guy prancing around, with a shrill voice, afraid to step in puddles, that ticks me off. You know, being overly feminine in public to the point of absurdity. I've got no problem with gays, so long as they don't showcase in that way. I'm pretty sure everyone around me finds it annoying, even gay people I know.
In Holland we pride ourselves on the fact that we are the first country to ever legalize same sex marriages
90% view it as moral and we have 82% of the poplution saying gay-marriage should stay legal and even the most die-hard christian political parties oppose LGBT discrimination
Even better the amount of gay marriages are dropping because we have married most of them already.
90% view it as moral and we have 82% of the poplution saying gay-marriage should stay legal and even the most die-hard christian political parties oppose LGBT discrimination
Even better the amount of gay marriages are dropping because we have married most of them already.
In Perth, Australia, i find people around my age - 17 - say they are homosexual (Or more commonly, Bisexual) as it is fashionable. Its like that Kony thing; People say that they are "X" to be with the "in" crowd.
I have met two homos in my life so far; Both gay, both in a relationship.
In the hundreds of people ive met, only two were gay. Most were people saying "IM BI COZ ITS FINE" or something.
It is from this that stems my Homo"Phobia"
On a related note, i hate that word. "Homophobia"..
I was under the impression that "Phobia" meant "Morbid Fear" Or "Irrational Fear".
I dont fear homosexuality. I just hate it.
Or am i reading that wrong?
EDIT: I feel that i should point out that the last two or three times ive posted on a homosexuality topic, ive gotten "Warnings" from moderators for "Protecting Minority on the Escapist".
First of all; people who report me for voicing my opinion? You suck. DX
Secondly; I find that being against homosexuality is actually in a minority here. By reporting me for being against "Me bashing Minority" means that you are in fact, bashing my Minority.
Thirdly, this is my opinion. By giving me (Yet Another) warning, you negate my opinion, making and hope of this thread becoming a discussion lost. A one sided discussion isnt a discussion, after all.
Finally; I aint trollin', dont bother reporting me for that either.
I have met two homos in my life so far; Both gay, both in a relationship.
In the hundreds of people ive met, only two were gay. Most were people saying "IM BI COZ ITS FINE" or something.
It is from this that stems my Homo"Phobia"
On a related note, i hate that word. "Homophobia"..
I was under the impression that "Phobia" meant "Morbid Fear" Or "Irrational Fear".
I dont fear homosexuality. I just hate it.
Or am i reading that wrong?
EDIT: I feel that i should point out that the last two or three times ive posted on a homosexuality topic, ive gotten "Warnings" from moderators for "Protecting Minority on the Escapist".
First of all; people who report me for voicing my opinion? You suck. DX
Secondly; I find that being against homosexuality is actually in a minority here. By reporting me for being against "Me bashing Minority" means that you are in fact, bashing my Minority.
Thirdly, this is my opinion. By giving me (Yet Another) warning, you negate my opinion, making and hope of this thread becoming a discussion lost. A one sided discussion isnt a discussion, after all.
Finally; I aint trollin', dont bother reporting me for that either.
Just wondering here, do you hate the thought of homosexuality or the hipster elements that have unfortunately became a part of LGBT communities?Jimmybobjr said:
A lot of people do have a problem with it. In my country (Russia) it's the majority. Actually because of president Yeltsin (first Russian president) homosexuality is no longer a criminal offense/felony here, but it's not like society started to look at it differently.
Although, I would question term "homophobic". People do despise gay people, even propose killing them (and that even I don't approve) but I've only seen children who are actually afraid of them.
A better poll would be - how many people accept homosexuality as norm.
Although, I would question term "homophobic". People do despise gay people, even propose killing them (and that even I don't approve) but I've only seen children who are actually afraid of them.
A better poll would be - how many people accept homosexuality as norm.
Ok, being from the NW US I just want to come out in defense of the 'middle' states and the South which seem to be getting a lot of hate here. There are a lot of homophobes in Washington, Oregon, California as well as New York and Maine. The populations might be a little more quite, a little less aggressive but they're here. And there are a lot of good, decent people in the South and Midwest US.thisbymaster said:
A lot of teenagers aren't yet sure what they are. It's just now that they know bisexuality (or asexuality)is a thing, that they suppose they should call themselves that because they kinda like both sexes and haven't figured out yet what they are, and what sexual feelings are like.hulksmashley said:
As for homophobia, depends a lot on where you are. I'm Finnish, and there's certainly it.
Overall, I think it's lessening, but people who are homophobic are being more vocal about it, partly as a response to gay people being openly gay. Before, it was just sort of accepted as a 'fact' that everyone is straight, and if someone was gay, they'd hide it.
For example, we had the presidential elections just recently, and a gay candidate Pekka Haavisto got to the second round. He lost (with quite a margin), but still, it's a sign of the change that he could get that far. But according the polls, many people voted the other candidate just because he wasn't gay.
And even people who I know and who aren't bad people (mostly older ones) were opposed to him just for being gay, and said things like "They should be satisfied with all the rights they have, why do they need more?". So basically it brought all the homophobia on the surface, a lot of what they probably didn't even think was anti-gay.
Also, I have been attacked with pepper-spray for being a part of the gay-pride.
Mostly, the sentiment among the older people seems to be that being gay is ok as long as you hide it. And they say things like "I have no problem with gays, but I don't like it how they flaunt it on my face"
At which point I like to tell them I am gay (It's not a secret, but unless it comes up, I'm not going to mention it) and hilariously, the response usually is "Why didn't you tell me?".
So I'd guess those people are kinda uneasy about gays, but try to rationalise their uneasiness in a way that they don't sound homohobic, because they probably don't want to think of themselves as that.
Even some people who know I'm gay will sometimes say something anti-gay, and then quickly add that they don't mean ME, just those other gay people.
Let me you in a little secret a bi girl is nothing new. (and they could very well be faking just to look cool) Two girls making out has been accepted for decades. Lesbians are "hot". Its 2 guys making out that piss people off.IamQ said:
Gays have been tortured and killed in America for being who they are, that alone is enough to be impressed by any guy who public displays his sexual orientation.
A while ago I was discussion these issues with a transexual and used the word 'tranny' to refer to them. She politely informed me it's considered offensive, and I told her I didn't know and it was not my intention to be offensive. No-one getting pissy.Monkeyman O said:
I suspect it's your overall demeanor that makes people 'pissy' as you put it, and judging from your posts, that what you want.
Generally speaking, words are just words, it's the intent that matters, and I have doubts about your intent...
True.'******' in itself is just a word. But it's generally considered to be offensive, and so people who want to be offensive use it, while other use some other word. If you are aware that the people you are talking to will view the word as offensive, it is your attempt to be offensive.Monkeyman O said:
You seem to be mistaken about the nature of the debate.Monkeyman O said:
I agree with you, marriage should have the legal side and the religious side, separated, and this already is the case in the US. The thing most homosexual organisations want is the legal recognition.
But even if you say that the religious matter should be left to the church, the church is made of people who disagree on this matter as well. There are religious homosexuals who believe their God is okay with gays marrying, there are heterosexuals who agree with them.
The churches are divided on matters such as these. They are divided on a lot of things, and change over time anyway.
And there's the freedom of religion. People who believe gay-marriage is OK are totally free to have their own churches or try to change the ones they're a part of, just as those who oppose it are free to do so as well.
But this whole thing is not simply a matter of non-religious gays VS religious homophobes.
To be fair, i view them as one and the same; Hipsters are gay, and gay are hipsters. I view them like this because they are one and the same (Synonymous?) at least, in my area. What i really mean is i hate it when they all get up and go around screaming "GEY LOVE IS K, ARIGHT?!" In... everywhere. Im sick of people standing up and yelling about human rights whenever someone is accused of being gay, or whenever someone posts a link to a new article of someone being bullied in America or whatever. I have three on my wall right now. And i have 17 friends. These are not nice things; But i dont need to keep seeing it..JochemHippie said:
Basically, i operate on a "Dont Ask Dont Tell" basic. Go ahead and do whatever it is you do; just dont keep friggin shoving it in my face.
Ill draw comparison to the Kony thing again; I hate Kony because people keep shoving him at me. I hate Homosexuality because people keep shoving it at me.
And me viewing Homosexuality as just another Sexual Deviancy doesn't help either.
FakeEdit: after thinking for a moment, i realised that the people of the LGBT community i hate the most are the Bisexuals. Simply because they seem to join together in one of three groups;
"People are all great, and i love them all for it" (Arse!) "I just love sex, and will get it anywhere" (Creepy and hopeless) and "Hipsters" (GEY LUV IS GUD MAAAAN)