Thank you kind sir! Didn't you hear the guards when they saw dead people or the guy who did the screaming guy from Kvatch (all his characters were pretty bad)Ivoryagent post=9.68481.630546 said:
How to make RPGs better
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Oh yes... to entertain you, I'll respond.Darth Mobius post=9.68481.630276 said:
A thousand writers was an exaggeration. I'd say a dozen, moderately good writers. Which you can all find on this, a forum, for games. Not a forum for Readers Digest. A forum for games.
GOOD writers are not, and never will be, a rare commodity in this world, where people work art with words in the hopes of getting noticed, of getting across a point, and on more than one occasion, harbor existentialistic goals of gaining immortality through their writing, along with the plethora of other goals or reasons people turn to writing.
Writing is the world's first and in my opinion, best, conduit for escapism. In a world like ours, where everyone is either as desensitized as a soldier who saw his best friend get ripped apart by shrapnel while throwing himself infront of said soldier to protect him, or as paranoid and media-controlled as a daily follower of Miley Cyrus, escapism is NEEDED. And people provide.
Now, back to our original subject. Yes, I agree that we are a dying breed, but I in no way state that linear RPs like Fable downright suck (although I didn't really like Fable...). Sometimes it is good to be anchored to a certain character. You get to follow that character's tale like you are right there, and you even get to control some aspects of him.
Well first of all in order to make a good RPG you have to throw out all of your old RPG preconceptions. Like levelling, and experience, and grind. You don't need any of those things to make a good rpg. RPG just means Role Playing Game. You can play a role without the need for all the grind. You can have levelling, and exp. But it doesn't have to follow the same formula as all the other rpgs. I would much rather have it entirely skill and attribute based. Where skills upgrade through use and attributes are determined by your habits. Like eating frequently means higher endurance. Taking a shower every once in a while and not having too many piercings means higher Personality.
You should play a MUD. Like Accursed Lands. Or the previously stated Armageddon MUD.Limos post=9.68481.630583 said:
However, you still have a fair amount of grind in there. After all, if you can level your skill by using it, you'd just keep using it. Over. And over.
If you had no interest in RP, that is. And if that pertains to you, please go hang.
However, the main, undefeated problem with RPGs that I think is apparent is the pre-determined social interactions. Such as those in Oblivion, KotoR, and basically ever game. You can't make your own social interaction, and expect the NPC to respond. That's only something found on multiplayer games. And roleplay is definetly beyond the current makers of MMORPGs. Those bastards.
Of course I'm quite sure that they think 'priest' is a role, and while it is, it's not the conception I first gave when I thought of the word 'role'. As used in acting, it means your part, your character, and all things having to do with he/she, mainly personality or things that would effect your interaction with other things. Now, a role is tank, priest, caster, damage dealer...
Sadface.
Account Typescurlycrouton post=9.68481.630514 said:
There are two different account types on Wurm Online. A basic account is a free account; however a basic account cannot increase its skills above 20 nor initiate attacks on other players (although it can defend itself if attacked by another player). A premium account costs approximately 5? a month from the Wurm Online shop, featuring among other bonuses no skill cap and full participation in all aspects of the game.
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In defense of the inconsistent voice-acting in Oblivion, I remember something being said (by an actual person AT Bethesda) as to the reason: apparently they just ran out of space. Though it was funny because the person noted that the problem was having to digitize entirely too many lines of dialog, because people these days demand that all the characters in their games speak, so they don't have to read text. If they could have made even a fraction of some of the more trivial dialog entirely text-based they might've been able to include more overall variety.
It's a valid point, I mean just think of how many lines of dialog there are in that game.
It's a valid point, I mean just think of how many lines of dialog there are in that game.
Okay!Khell_Sennet post=9.68481.630369 said:
You go back to the vault and never think of leaving because of that statement. I played fallout 1,2 and want to play 3. While playing 1,2 I felt that it was my character but not my character for lack of identity no option beyond male or female.
Now for the VO in Oblivion, stop betting that poor horse, Yes it was messed up. But did you not feel that your character was you in a world with less "ridged" ways of handling a situation. The real problem was no continuing consequences for your actions, not the VO.
I have played many rpgs (Fallout 1,2; Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines; Dues Ex; and Kotor 1,2; Fable; Mass Effect) just to name a few. All these games are "good" each with one thing that made them stick out in my mind. Some had "freedom" some had to much. All made me feel like i was someone else just for a bit, some showed me what I was. No we are not a dieing breed but one that given time will grow. I have many friends that didn't know about fallout. I told them, because the said they liked Kotor. Some never wanted to play Oblivion because of a WOW addiction, I helped him break it by helping him make a character he wanted, not what everyone else said is "this is how you make a Mage" he made an orc paladin. All were like me someone told me check these older games out if you like this, Be mindful of the older some but not all. Many are like me.
Yes many RPGs need good writers, some need better direction, and yes some need to be more mainstream so a company can stay in business, not all can be how that fans want it. All have fanboys all have the i'll give it a shot people. But all for the most part enjoy what they played in some form or another.
And Remember
This is all Halo's fault not the fps's.
Not a fair qualifying statement, everything is Halo's fault.Breedbate said:
However, it is not as necessary to bring us BACK to 90's RPGs, but rather be more LIKE them. Games like Oblivion always say "You can play us for 600+ hours without being bored blahblahblah". No. In the old days, everything was simple, and that worked. You had a simple combat system that did require you (or just me, maybe I'm crazy) to think just a little, and a linear story that kept you interested all the way through. Can we do that, is that too much to ask? Are we really THAT dumb to think we need HUGE games?
An RPG should contain:
-decent story
-well definded characters
-free evolution, not levels only xp
(you fight you get sword xp, you use spels you get magic xp)
-beeing able to customize your character (and to name it)
-the ability to buy houses, shops
-public places (town hall, church)
-lots weapon skills
-lots of spells
-and it should be real time not turn based
-decent story
-well definded characters
-free evolution, not levels only xp
(you fight you get sword xp, you use spels you get magic xp)
-beeing able to customize your character (and to name it)
-the ability to buy houses, shops
-public places (town hall, church)
-lots weapon skills
-lots of spells
-and it should be real time not turn based
no random encounters. I would like somthing which I call the "Battle caller"
Instead of random encounters or free roaming monsters, you can call monsters into battle with the press of a button, making grinding and lvl gaining easier, now you can explore ruins with ease, no more monsters chipping at your health as you try to find a way out.
Instead of random encounters or free roaming monsters, you can call monsters into battle with the press of a button, making grinding and lvl gaining easier, now you can explore ruins with ease, no more monsters chipping at your health as you try to find a way out.
It might be sad, but I cannot get into the classic RPGs you all rave about. They aren't bad games, but the barrier to entry to someone who started RPGs in the PS2 era and has played, now, SNES thru current... It's DAMNED hard for me to get into them because I think they are archaic dinosaurs in terms of mechanics. The stories might be damned well awesome, but they mechanics are so ancient that it feels like I need to read a guide to play the game, which is bad game design in today's standards.
If you want to keep the same vein, that's fine, just use modern systems like Mass Effect's dialogue system, as an example. It acually feels like a real conversation instead of "Read a dozen options and choose one", which I love to read books, but I don't like reading all those outcomes.
Most of these older titles, I feel, are more like modern strategy RPGs. Sorry old PC gamers, but I like the way the modern RPG is evolving and I'm hoping Dragon Age is a blend of the great stories of the past and modern mechanics of gameplay.
If you want to keep the same vein, that's fine, just use modern systems like Mass Effect's dialogue system, as an example. It acually feels like a real conversation instead of "Read a dozen options and choose one", which I love to read books, but I don't like reading all those outcomes.
Most of these older titles, I feel, are more like modern strategy RPGs. Sorry old PC gamers, but I like the way the modern RPG is evolving and I'm hoping Dragon Age is a blend of the great stories of the past and modern mechanics of gameplay.
Say it with me F-A-B-L-E-2, said they were going for stuff like that, including heaps of grey decisions, like kill an evil kid or let him grow up to kill etc (more gray) could be good.j-e-f-f-e-r-s post=9.68481.631116 said:
Jeffers, while I have not beat it as I'm waiting for my "Enhanced" up date, the Witcher presents more grays then being good or bad, since your character really is almost true neutral.
It's a great game, as well, but I would most certainly wait for the enhanced edition this September. They are releasing an almost expansion sized patch in terms of efforts for this title at no cost for those of us that have puchased it.
I have respect for CDProjekt and their support. Plus, you all should love them for "good old games" or http://www.gog.com/en/intro
Yes, DRM free versions of old PC classics guaranteed to work in XP and Vista.
Enjoy.
It's a great game, as well, but I would most certainly wait for the enhanced edition this September. They are releasing an almost expansion sized patch in terms of efforts for this title at no cost for those of us that have puchased it.
I have respect for CDProjekt and their support. Plus, you all should love them for "good old games" or http://www.gog.com/en/intro
Yes, DRM free versions of old PC classics guaranteed to work in XP and Vista.
Enjoy.
Random Encounters DEFINATELY NEED to die, I love JRPG's as much as I do good WRPG's but that is something they just can't seem to get rid of and REALLY need to.
I do agree with Breedbate on the fact that your Writers should create your world and that it should have an intruiging and deep mythology surrounding it. That's something more game companies need to get on.
IMO the PERFECT RPG at the moment is Knights of the Old Republic, it perfectly captures what an RPG should be for me. Not saying it can't be improved, but for its time? KOTOR did everything right.
I do agree with Breedbate on the fact that your Writers should create your world and that it should have an intruiging and deep mythology surrounding it. That's something more game companies need to get on.
IMO the PERFECT RPG at the moment is Knights of the Old Republic, it perfectly captures what an RPG should be for me. Not saying it can't be improved, but for its time? KOTOR did everything right.