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ShindoL Shill

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As you probably know, lots of video games don't have children/the children are invincible so that people don't get angry at the game.

But why are there no children in Oblivion? How come you can break into someone's house in Fable 2 (which has kids) but the people are never boning? In games with kids, nobody (except maybe you) seems to get pregnant.

So why, in the game universe, do you think that nobody seems able to have children, and when they come out they're invincible? Do you think it was a secret government project? Aliens? A side-effect of the bad guy's plan?

Kermi said:
Maybe people just stop boning and hide their children when they hear you're in town with a lockpick and a murder-boner.

Sicko.
but even when i dont murder everyone, it still happens.

EDIT: i'm not asking why we do this, i'm asking why there are either no children/invincible children in the game world, if that world were reality.
Imagine you live in Tamriel, why do you think there are no children?
 

Kermi

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Maybe people just stop screwing and hide their children when they hear you're in town with a lockpick and a murder-boner.

Sicko.
 

Dr Druza

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Children are weak and defenseless. Who would harm a child? Nobody. So why add a feature that will do more harm that good?
 

Sarah Frazier

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It may have something to do with the (mostly) natural reflex to protect kids, at least in the real world. There are still enough people who over react to the mere idea of violence done to imaginary kids and what that may teach gamers that kids are either not put in games or made to be untouchable. It's not some villain's plan so much as too much discomfort at the idea of killing kids who did nothing wrong but talk too much or just stand there.

I think the reason that only your character gets involved with pregnancy is because that's all that really matters in the story. A dozen pregnant NPCs may be more realistic for a population, but they'd only really be there as random bodies and targets for random violence... And that would play into the imagined propaganda that some groups claim exist.
 

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Dr Druza said:
Children are weak and defenseless. Who would harm a child? Nobody. So why add a feature that will do more harm that good?
I agree with this. I could not imagine what sick f*** would want to hurt kids in a game. I could never bring myself to harrvest the little sisters in Bioshock and i can't imagine what kind of sick perverted mind thinks even thinks about it.
 

SwagLordYoloson

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I don't see why it matters whether a virtual child or adult dies in games, it makes no difference to me, they are just pixels. I don't understand why a childs life is more valuable than an already established adults life.
 

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Elijah Ball said:
Dr Druza said:
Children are weak and defenseless. Who would harm a child? Nobody. So why add a feature that will do more harm that good?
its not realistic



if i want realistic i will go outside i play games for fun and realism sucks some of the fun away
 

Tiswas

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Twilight Princess had a pregnant woman in it, didn't it?

Maybe it's just more effort to make pregnant people than it is to make normal.
 

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Elijah Ball said:
Dr Druza said:
Children are weak and defenseless. Who would harm a child? Nobody. So why add a feature that will do more harm that good?
its not realistic
Unless they smack kids around in real life its not going to be realistic anyway, so why add it for the vast-minority of criminals who do assault children? They will be too busy being shived in prison to play the game, everyone knows that even the majority of criminals HATE anyone who harms kids so that is an accurate representation of what their time in prison will be like.

Its pointless trying to make your game "realistic" by adding vulgar/cruel things, there is no WAY you could make a game that allows you the freedom of choice that you have in reality so since you are limited to what can be done... why choose beating up kids and barging in on people banging to be in it? Just seems like a waste of effort, time and space for something ultimately worthless or at most detrimental.

As this thread clearly shows, most people didnt even notice you couldnt do those things.
 

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Dr Druza said:
Children are weak and defenseless. Who would harm a child? Nobody. So why add a feature that will do more harm that good?
Adults are also weak and defenseless in their civilian form. Why is it okay to murder them?
And how come we still have games like Dead Space, which floods you with killer-zombie children?

And why do you think it will add more harm than good? Because of public outcry from non-gamers? Here is a newsflash: People get used to anything if you just expose them to it, so the sooner we start actually doing stuff, the sooner people will forget about it.

Also, saying nobody would harm a child is very incorrect. I'll just quote Yahtzee here: The character of your ingame personality is not the same as your real personality. It's about as usuful an argument as saying "Who would take a flamethrower and start burning people to death in a major city?" I'll answer that: I would, and have done so several times in Grand Theft Auto. Would i do it in real life? Obviously not, but when I'm playing GTA, I'm not playing myself.
 

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innocentEX said:
I don't see why it matters whether a virtual child or adult dies in games, it makes no difference to me, they are just pixels. I don't understand why a childs life is more valuable than an already established adults life.
Agreed I would have no qualms about killing (actually is it even killing?) a pretend child anymore than I would a pretend adult or pet or monster in game they dont exist in anyway they are just an animated picture usually devoid of almost any personality. That being said I can see why they are usually absent or made invincible it is just much easier to avoid controversy and to be honest being able to kill them would add such little to the game that it is not worth deliberately being controversial.

Personally I dont care whether you can kill them or not I dont play games because I like murdering things even if I arguably end up doing quite a bit of that in them, I just play for entertainment and this is not an issue that is stopping that being pushed.

Same with never seeing people boning and not becoming pregnant or having kids if it adds nothing to the game why bother putting it in, it is just more work for what? a pointless feature?. In some games characters can have children, like little kings story and I dont believe they are invincible either (although you cant attack them yourself so you have to send them off to fight the monsters alone if you wanted to gimp yourself and kill them for some reason).
 

Blunderboy

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Because the last thing we need is Fox News and the Daily Mail banging on about games full of child murder.
Sadly, until the medium is viewed as mature enough to handle such subjects, there will always be a shit storm should we try to.
 

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Golan Trevize said:
Dr Druza said:
Children are weak and defenseless. Who would harm a child? Nobody. So why add a feature that will do more harm that good?
You could kill children in Fallout and Fallout 2.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Childkiller
Indeed. Let's not forget the adventures of J.C. Denton either:
What a shame.

Games weren't always so squeamish about such things, though they still often had consequences. As for in-universe explanations, here's a few off the top of my head:

Games with no children - everyone's an adult clone (or created/summoned via a sorceror if it's fantasy).

Games with children, but no pregnant women - babies are delivered via the stork like in nursery rhymes.

Games with invincible children - they're actually a race of trans-dimensional, hyper-sentient beings. They quietly disposed of the real children and are now masquerading as them. Now they are observing the denizens of the various gaming worlds, waiting for the opportune time to make them their next clutch of slaves.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.
 

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Rolf said:
Dr Druza said:
Children are weak and defenseless. Who would harm a child? Nobody. So why add a feature that will do more harm that good?
I agree with this. I could not imagine what sick f*** would want to hurt kids in a game. I could never bring myself to harrvest the little sisters in Bioshock and i can't imagine what kind of sick perverted mind thinks even thinks about it.
I would like to hurt kids in games. Why? Because kids in games tend to be fucking annoying, and they're not real, so I don't give a flying fuck. I was a serial killer who only killed children in fallout 2.
 

Pontus Hashis

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Dr Druza said:
Children are weak and defenseless. Who would harm a child? Nobody. So why add a feature that will do more harm that good?
The guy sitting next to me shoot chilldren when play Fo1....
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Childkiller
 
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Dr Druza said:
Children are weak and defenseless. Who would harm a child? Nobody. So why add a feature that will do more harm that good?
If no one wants to kill a child, why would it do more harm than good to add non-invulnerable kids to games?
 

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Athinira said:
Adults are also weak and defenseless in their civilian form. Why is it okay to murder them?
And how come we still have games like Dead Space, which floods you with killer-zombie children?

And why do you think it will add more harm than good? Because of public outcry from non-gamers? Here is a newsflash: People get used to anything if you just expose them to it, so the sooner we start actually doing stuff, the sooner people will forget about it.

Also, saying nobody would harm a child is very incorrect. I'll just quote Yahtzee here: The character of your ingame personality is not the same as your real personality. It's about as usuful an argument as saying "Who would take a flamethrower and start burning people to death in a major city?" I'll answer that: I would, and have done so several times in Grand Theft Auto. Would i do it in real life? Obviously not, but when I'm playing GTA, I'm not playing myself.
I'll try to answer your questions in the order given.

Well, technically it isn't okay, it's only slightly less cruel to murder an adult because they have a higher capacity to defend themselves than a child does. Whether or not they utilize that capacity is irrelevant, they are more capable, thus it is not considered as bad when it is an adult.

I believe "Killer-Zombie" is the operative phrase there. As long as it isn't "human," there's less flak given about killing something that is a youth. Most games implement this. Wolf Cubs, Dragon Hatchlings, and then the aforementioned Zombie children. As long as they can show that the thing your killing isn't human, then the age of that thing is up for grabs.

Yes, public outcry would be risen should games showcase the killing of youth. It would give anti-gaming lobbyists further ammunition to try to ban certain games from being sold and/or made, and in some rare cases it could rewire more impressionable minds into thinking that killing children is okay, especially if the game in question handles said killing poorly, which would then multiply said ammunition massively.

Now, for my own comments. You say people will get used to "anything," and to just "start actually doing stuff" so they'll eventually "forget about it." With that mentality, how can you really say that a game involving the murder of children, especially to the extent that some games take with killing zombies or aliens or even other humans, is going to do ANY good AT ALL?? Is there a reason we NEED a game that involves or focuses on killing children? Do we really NEED a game with such "realism?"

Now, while I'll give kudos to quoting Yahtzee, you have to remember he's a well-adjusted, handsome god of a man, who would never kill another human being in real life unless they wholly deserved it. However, he would not be against burning down an entire city of civilians in a video game because, let's be honest, we've all had such thoughts percolating deep down within our psyches, and video games help us vent them so that we are not so tempted to recreate them in real life. So, saying that, allow me to ask you this. Have you ever wanted to kill a child? I don't mean hit a child, or shake a child, I mean outright MURDER a child, possibly in front of their parents? I know we've all met a child or two we just want to give a good backhand to for being such a pain in the ass, but I don't think many of us would outright want to KILL them.

Now, if the child were to pose a legitimate threat to the player, then sure, fine, go ahead and kill them. But as I and many others have said, children are relatively defenseless compared to adults, and many of us feel an inherent need to protect them. A game that features child-killing, without doing it in some sort of tasteful or meaningful manner, is just going for shock factor, which is only going to fuel the flame wars even further.