How Would You Kill Wolverine?
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Wolverine has survived being shot in the brain repeatedly. So too have others with his healing capacity. Both Wolverine and Cable have survived having their brains burst by Stryfe and Cable respectively.Cheshire the Cat said:
Also, Sabretooth has been dead for years. Wolverine killed him.
There is no "has", and Wolverine's healing powers have become more potent since the days when a claw to the brain was a serious injury.
In the main Marvel continuity, Wolverine's body cannot be ripped apart, despite any suggestion that his ligaments should not be able to take the strain. Even the Hulk has failed to rip his limbs off. It's only really in the Ultimate Universe that his body is susceptible to this damage without the adamantium being removed. Don't like it because it doesn't make sense? Tough, I guess, that's the canon for you.
Here's some more general stuff about Wolverine's survivability (for the most part, this is only about the mainstream version of Wolverine):
In the main comics continuity (Earth 616), the Muramasa blade slows Logan's healing factor, to the point where he can be killed. Wolverine himself used this blade to kill Sabretooth, while Wolverine's son has used the blade's metal to almost succeed in killing the Hulk's son.
Carbonadium greatly slows Wolverine's healing abilities when introduced into his system. Shoot him with enough Carbonadium bullets and he'll go down long enough to be butchered to death.
Wolverine's infamous regeneration from a skeleton in the main continuity (during Civil War) has since been explained as due to extenuating, supernatural circumstances. He can't regenerate from mere bones under his own steam. Therefore, you CAN burn him, dissolve him, etc and expect him to die. Simply put, if you take too much of his body from him at once, Wolverine, and people like him (X-23, Daken, Sabretooth, Deadpool - when Wade's not "Cursed with Life")will die.
Removing Wolverine's head from his body for too long will also kill him. Granted, this is almost an impossible task due to the adamantium lacing his bones, which (somehow - as I said earlier) DOES PREVENT LIMBS AND EXTREMITIES FROM BEING RIPPED OFF in the main Marvel continuity (though it famously didn't stop the Hulk from ripping him in two in the Ultimate Universe, in which Wolverine has different limitations and powers). While their healing factors may operate with different restrictions, Deadpool has also regularly faced death when his head was removed.
This was proven again recently, when Cyclops, Namor, and Magneto tried to kill Wolverine while a demon was possessing. Magneto held him still and removed enough adamantium from one of his neck vertebre for Namor to rip off his head, and then Cyclops blasted the remaining pieces into a crater. Well, this was the plan. The demon within Logan was capable of spewing hellfire though, which wasn't taken into account when Cyclops devised a strategy for killing normal ol' Logan.
When facing the Adamantium Men (a squad of artificial Wolverine knock-offs), Wolverine managed to kill the entire bunch using his wits and intrinsic knowledge of his own weaknesses. For instance, he attacked some with a helicopter gunship as they waited for him on an oil rig, then drowned them while they were weakened. Wolverine's internal monologue notes how he has more difficulty in water than he does on land, as the density of his bones prevents him from floating without conscious effort on his part. He can swim, but it's harder work for him than it would be without his adamantium, which allowed him to drown his weary knock-offs while they were exhausted and he was fresh. Also, the Adamantium Men tried to take Logan down using darts that would introduce dozens upon dozens of the world's deadliest diseases into his system simultaneously, overloading his healing factor and making him easy prey. Let's just say that he turned this guns on his knock-offs to great effect.
Cyclops recently planted a series of nanobots in Wolverine's system that turn off his healing factor remotely. Cyclops is somewhat becoming the Batman of the X-Men, with measures in place to deal with any of the X-Men if needs be. These particular bots were used to secretly strip Wolverine of his immunity to a vampire's bite, allowing enemy's of Blade to force Logan into their ranks, only for Cyclops to reactivate Logan's healing factor, purging the bite's effects, and leaving a very pissed off Logan within arm's reach of vampires who'd thought him their secret weapon. Needless to say, a lot of Edward Cullens died.
Magic can also fuck Wolverine up a treat. The demon Belasco reduced X-23 (Wolverine's female clone and adoptive daughter) into a pile of bones during an encounter she had with him. She didn't heal herself, only surviving because he kept resurrecting and killing her himself to be sadistic.
I could go on forever detailing how Wolverine could be killed/has been killed/has been put in mortal danger. It happens a lot. I won't though, because there's only so long I can type this stuff before it bores me.
The important thing to remember is that, despite the infamous image of him returning to life from a skeleton in seconds during Civil War, Logan can't self-resurrect and can't heal from virtually nothing with his powers alone.
Back to the OT's post: Some of these methods of killing him are applicable in the real world (drowning, burning, blowing up, throwing into space, etc), some are not (carbonadium, nanobots, magic, Muramasa blade).
His body can't remove adamantIUM because it's a virtually indestructible metal that's anchored to his entire chassis... His healing factor's inability to remove something this immovably bound to his body doesn't = evidence that his healing factor can't remove anything.Pyro Paul said:
His healing factor has removed objects from his body over the years. He's not, for instance, carrying a dozen of bullets in his skull. There was a Grant Morrison issue where Wolverine expressed irritation at having to dig out some bullets that had been healed over faster than his body could kick them out (which, FYI, didn't cause anything like the amount of damage to him that you're suggesting - they provided a disgusting discomfort at worst). But I struggle to think of any examples of Wolverine noting that his body is completely incapable of removing foreign objects, let alone anything that suggests he is unable to function while foreign objects as small as a generic sharp object are lodged in his system.
The closest thing I can think of to what you are describing would be when X-23 fought Wolverine while shovelling dirt into the wounds she made. This allowed her to get the edge on him because the gunk was physically blocking his wounds from closing as quickly as they would normally, meaning he eventually bled out faster than she did. But this strategy achieved nothing so dramatic as what you described (a "slow agonizing death as his body litterally sufficates slowly"). All it did was lose him a fight with a clone that he didn't really want to fight anyway, who five seconds later he was giving pep talks to despite his jugular having just been slashed.
More importantly, Wolverine has had his entire heart pulled out by Sabretooth and survived, although he was rendered unconscious long enough to be chained to a jet by this one injury. Just wondering, how much does this ruin your entire theory? I'd say about 100%.
And now you have a Dr.Manhatten style wolverine which cannot be stopped, killed or overpowered unless you are a very powerful god.CommanderKirov said:
Step 1) Obtain Catapult Mech
Step 2) Obtain an ungodly amount of missiles
Step 3) Obtain a targeting system that will ba able to lock onto Wolverine
Step 4) Locate Wolverine
Step 5) Lock onto Wolverine
Step 6) Spam missiles
Step 7) Collect gibs,put them in a steel box. Fill box with concrete. Allow to dry.
Step 8) Cast steel box into the murky depths of the Atlantic Ocean
Step 2) Obtain an ungodly amount of missiles
Step 3) Obtain a targeting system that will ba able to lock onto Wolverine
Step 4) Locate Wolverine
Step 5) Lock onto Wolverine
Step 6) Spam missiles
Step 7) Collect gibs,put them in a steel box. Fill box with concrete. Allow to dry.
Step 8) Cast steel box into the murky depths of the Atlantic Ocean
Smelting plant Terminator 2 style. Just like the T series that was killed at the end of that movie, was killed by being knocked into a vat of molten steel, it melted his body and nano-machine structure to complete destruction.Rin Little said:
That would be a nice quick end to it all, it'd out do his regeneration, and leave nothing but an adamantium skeleton behind. now, if his adamantium skeleton was to be removed it's possible the bone underneath might find a way to regen past the metal, but unlikely.
it acctually doesn't.Wade Wilson said:
The point of where he has to dig bullets out of his flesh proves it acctually... which is where the idea comes from.
His body is incapable of expelling bullets lodged into his body structure which requires him to acctually cut into himself and remove them manually. This, in and of itself, states that his immune system is not all powerful. If he had a powerful immune system the bullet would be disolved or mechanically removed from the body via rejection.
but it doesn't.
this is further supported by the 'Adamantium Skeleton'. If he had a powerful immune system ontop of regenerative powers, his body would not only reject the compound, it would remove it from the body. the upper layers of bone where the compound is fused would splinter off and the compound itself would be expelled from the body with a little bit of bone.
The standing theory suggests exploit this flaw in his biology. Rather then introducing a small pea sized chunk of metal which the body can normally compensate for, introduce a very large chunk of metal which the body can not overcome or compensate.
for instance, the blade of a large knife being broken off inside a major organ.
his regenerative capabilities may remove the external and surface wounds presented, but because the object penetrates deep tissue and organs (in this case the heart) internal bleeding occurs as a wound channel is created from the sealed system (cardiovascular) into an unsealed system (surrounding tissue).
as the internal bleeding persists, leeching of oxygen will occur as not enough blood will get to the arms and legs as the body naturally starts to prioritize core systems for survival. It is not a fast process... but it kills him all the same.
Da fuck? I guess 1 FUCKING cell was left then.Milo Windby said:In the Marvel Civil War series he gets blown up and nothing but his skeleton is left... he then regenerated his whole body ._. How is a mini gun going to do better?cyrogeist said:
in fact, here is a picture
As I said, he regenerates his whole body after that >.>
Well, adcidically remove all of his admantium then take all of his bones and move them through space. Theoretically, small enough chunks far from each other would render his rebuilding impossible.
Firstly, you realise that adamantium is indestructible through 99.9% of means that an object could feasibly be destroyed? His healing factor cannot remove solid adamantium that is anchored to his body. Even if Wolverine's individual bones could be separated from his admantium skeleton, one at a time, using conventional means (evidence demonstrates that they can't in the 616 Universe - hence 616 Hulk being unable to tear off one of his arms), your speculation that his healing factor would eject entire bones from his body in order to remove the adamantium covering is baseless at best. That he cannot remove adamantium from his body says nothing about his ability to remove foreign objects in general, as the adamantium coating his bones is about as stubborn as a foreign object could possibly be.Pyro Paul said:
Secondly, he doesn't have to remove all bullets from his body. In the Grant Morrison issue in question, he's seen removing one (while making small talk with a X-jet passenger). "Sentinel hardware's getting old. Five thousand rounds of live ammunition, two death rays, four independent Rolls Royce engines. Three mission dollars worth of RAM.... Five minutes later, it's rust on my knuckles." That's what he casually muses while picking out a bullet. At no point does the comic suggest that this is a necessary procedure for him, or substantially painful, or remotely life threatening. Certainly, it never implies that he's picking out large numbers of bullets, which one would expect if he's just been attached with an estimated five thousand rounds worth of sentinel bullets. More likely, this is just something he's doing to save time, the same way that Deadpool once set himself on a rack so his broken bones would fix faster, despite the fact that we've seen his bones fix just fine without his conscious assistance.
Just wondering, when Deadpool last tried to kill Wolverine and fired a bullet into his cranium, knocking Wolverine out, do you think Deadpool then decided to spend time removing the bullet for Wolverine, while trying to finish him off? If not, then Wolverine should have awoken with some serious brain damage if he awoke at all (his healing factor being unable to fix the brain due to the obstruction), because it stands to reason that if his powers didn't push out the bullet and Deadpool didn't clean it out, Wolverine has at least one bullet trapped in his brain to this day. That puts you in a bind, because there are only two likely options to pick here. Either Wolerine's healing factor dealt with the bullet in his skull, or Wolverine is essentially unaffected by the continued presence of a bullet in his skull, and his power can circumvent the damage you say he should experience.
I just checked an issue where Wolverine had his son shot in the head with a carbonadium (see one of my earlier posts) bullet to incapacitate him. When Daken (the son) wakes up, Logan's internal monologue says that he knows the bullet and its effects, that are still in his brain, will be gone by the morning. The bullet that slows down Daken's healing factor, so long as it's within him, will be gone by morning, not because Daken's going to remove it, as he doesn't know he's been shot (temporary, carbonadium-induced memory loss)and not because Wolverine makes any attempt to remove it (he doesn't).[/b]
So where exactly did the bullet go, and how was Daken fully functional aside from a slowed healing factor and temporary memory loss while a bullet was lodged in the middle of his brain. He didn't even complain of pain or discomfort. Fat chance a shard of metal is going to kill Wolverine or cripple him. Your entire theory hinges around the idea that with some piece of metal inside his body, major organ or otherwise, Wolverine would be in debilitating pain or dead because his healing factor would be unable to restore his body to its norm thanks to an obstruction. But we see him and his son with pieces of junk inside them all the time with no horrific consequences, and only on a short term basis even without surgery.
Besides, what part of he had his heart ripped out and he didn't die did you miss? If he survived having no heart just fine, you think he's really going to be in serious danger when he has a heart with a small blockage inside of it? Again, the ability of the Wolverine family's brains to function just fine with bullets in their head (or not in, more likely, in the case where Deadpool shot him) rather invalidates any suggestion that the healing factor cannot deal with objects remaining inside, for the evidently short period that the objects remain inside.
Of course it stands to reason that anybody, in a realistic representation of reality, with just the ability to heal fast would die or be injured by having bullets in their brain or no heart, but the comics demonstrate, repeatedly, that Wolverine's healing is not subject to the normal laws of biology or common sense. And really, in a world where people shoot concussive blasts from another dimension through apertures in their eyes, does it need to be?
You probably can't.
If no one believes me, look up hulk vs wolverine, at one point wolverines head is having a chat with nick fury, with his body elsewhere, perfectly healthy despite having been nuked shortly before hand then decapitated.
Heck the hulk rips him in two before that and wolverines annoyed but still "happily" crawling around.
But then there do seem to have been tother incidents where he comes back from been reduced to almost nothing but his bones.
If no one believes me, look up hulk vs wolverine, at one point wolverines head is having a chat with nick fury, with his body elsewhere, perfectly healthy despite having been nuked shortly before hand then decapitated.
Heck the hulk rips him in two before that and wolverines annoyed but still "happily" crawling around.
But then there do seem to have been tother incidents where he comes back from been reduced to almost nothing but his bones.
He is unaffected by known viruses or disease (not counting the legacy virus). If we go by Wolverines highest feet with his regeneration it would be when his head was cut of and he grew a new body or the time he was nothing but his bones (I believe his brain was still intact to regenerate him back to life). You would have to kill him by destroying his brain or leave no trace of his body by destroying him at a cellular level.Rin Little said:
