How's Dragon Age 2 treating you?

[Tzekelkan]

It's amazing how many fanboys come to the rescue whenever I criticize a game.

Why do you people care so much if I dislike a game. Every time I say something negative about one I get a response that basically says "Nuh uh, you're wrong."

It's a freaking opinion, it's what good games are built on. Stop trying to crush any and every criticism out there. It will only lead to stagnation in games. If everyone only said how much they love the game, it would never improve.

I'm just amazed at how many people will defend this game no matter what is said. It's a fine game, but stop acting like it's Jesus reincarnate.

Aw, come on, man. Your post made me laugh. Let them defend their game, it's their right, especially since you said:

-Game takes place in basically one area

Your other complaints are just personal preference but this one I don't get... Yes a large part of the game takes place in Kirkwall but it's pretty huge. There are stark differences between the different parts of the city.

Personal preferences? He asked how the game was dumbed down....I told him. Are you telling me that removing skills isn't dumbing down the game?

And the first game took place over an entire region in multiple cities.....quite a difference.

Make up your mind. Are your criticisms your own personal opinion, or stone-cold fact? I'm not saying you shouldn't criticize. By all means, flame away. But I'm trying to make you understand that people have a right to defend what they like as well. Sure, freedom of speech blah, blah, blah. But it's not speech without the possibility of a reply.

Nobody's acting like the game is Jesus incarnate. I haven't read a single post in this thread that has said the game is perfect. Everyone agrees Dragon Age 2, like Dragon Age 1 and like every game, has its flaws. You disagree with some people about what these flaws are.

There's no reason to "be amazed" of how people defend this game, not any more reason than people would have to be amazed that you criticize it.

 

[Sabiancym]

It's amazing how many fanboys come to the rescue whenever I criticize a game.

Why do you people care so much if I dislike a game. Every time I say something negative about one I get a response that basically says "Nuh uh, you're wrong."

It's a freaking opinion, it's what good games are built on. Stop trying to crush any and every criticism out there. It will only lead to stagnation in games. If everyone only said how much they love the game, it would never improve.

I'm just amazed at how many people will defend this game no matter what is said. It's a fine game, but stop acting like it's Jesus reincarnate.

Aw, come on, man. Your post made me laugh. Let them defend their game, it's their right, especially since you said:

-Game takes place in basically one area

Your other complaints are just personal preference but this one I don't get... Yes a large part of the game takes place in Kirkwall but it's pretty huge. There are stark differences between the different parts of the city.

Personal preferences? He asked how the game was dumbed down....I told him. Are you telling me that removing skills isn't dumbing down the game?

And the first game took place over an entire region in multiple cities.....quite a difference.

Make up your mind. Are your criticisms your own personal opinion, or stone-cold fact? I'm not saying you shouldn't criticize. By all means, flame away. But I'm trying to make you understand that people have a right to defend what they like as well. Sure, freedom of speech blah, blah, blah. But it's not speech without the possibility of a reply.

Nobody's acting like the game is Jesus incarnate. I haven't read a single post in this thread that has said the game is perfect. Everyone agrees Dragon Age 2, like Dragon Age 1 and like every game, has its flaws. You disagree with some people about what these flaws are.

There's no reason to "be amazed" of how people defend this game, not any more reason than people would have to be amazed that you criticize it.

There's a difference between saying..."Yea, I see how you could have that opinion about the game" and just flat out saying "No, your opinion is wrong."

 

[Tzekelkan]

There's a difference between saying..."Yea, I see how you could have that opinion about the game" and just flat out saying "No, your opinion is wrong."

Yes, I see how you could have that opinion about what he said, but still, this is what he said:

-Game takes place in basically one area

Your other complaints are just personal preference but this one I don't get... Yes a large part of the game takes place in Kirkwall but it's pretty huge. There are stark differences between the different parts of the city.

Nobody said your opinion was wrong. However, you yourself implied that what you had stated was not personal preference, but fact. You were saying, "No, your opinion is wrong."

It doesn't matter to me, all right? You can say that all you want, whatever. But be aware of what you're saying and don't diss others of the same things you're doing as well.

 

[Tzekelkan]

Double post all the way, across the sky.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

It's amazing how many fanboys come to the rescue whenever I criticize a game.

My response was not the result of my being a fan of the original game but rather because the argument you presented supporting your thesis failed to convince me. I was merely presenting a counter-argument for each point.

Why do you people care so much if I dislike a game. Every time I say something negative about one I get a response that basically says "Nuh uh, you're wrong."

I don't care even slightly if you don't like something. The problem is, you are trying to convince me that your opinion is correct. There is no shame in such a course and I do not begrudge you for doing so. When reading your post I simply found that it did little to convince me and presented a counter point view.

I had though that, by posting such a thing in a public forum, you would expect conversation to ensue.

It's a freaking opinion, it's what good games are built on. Stop trying to crush any and every criticism out there. It will only lead to stagnation in games. If everyone only said how much they love the game, it would never improve.

I do not begrudge your opinion but I do resent your attempt to take the moral high ground by asserting that my argument which defended various changes made to the game is somehow a part of a slippery slope to stagnation in an industry. This is especially vexing considering that stagnation implies a lack of change, which is precisely what your argument supported.

I'm just amazed at how many people will defend this game no matter what is said. It's a fine game, but stop acting like it's Jesus reincarnate.

I did not act like it was Jesus. I did not offer a judgment regarding the quality of either DA:O or DA2. What I in fact did was argue that the changes that were made had little impact in the end save reducing extraneous parts that only had limited utility.

 

[Gultark]

Adding on to this line of discussion, personally i don't find confining the game to one area an example of dumming down.

I feel in a RPG it's the story of the character and the world which is developing around me as i am developing around it that drives me on. a good example of Size/location to richness of gameplay would be the origin missions in the first game - yes they were short and took place in pretty much one or two areas, but the value of these missions on roleplaying were massive, i found my own opinions coloured by how my elf had been treated by humans in my in game interactions and so forth, but back on topic before i veer too far away -

I would much prefer a tighter story and world allowing for deeper roleplaying than rather flimsy reasoning to jet around to exotic locals for very little reason other than artificially padding game length or size.

However not to say the game does no wrong the lack of origins stories and a fully voiced and realised hawke does diminish the roleplaying quality by a large margin.

 

[manythings]

I want to play it but have issues with the gameplay, and I cant play it until its atleast £25 becuase I feel BW need to lose money for cutting content to use as dlc.

So I will play it eventually, but the more I hear the more I hate.

Less that half of what you pay for a game goes to the developer. The rest goes to retailers, transport, storage and a dozen other things. The DLC is a measure to try and get people to buy new games over trade-ins which give a grand total of 0 to the developer.

I can pay £40 for a new game, just like others, and have to pay extra becuase I didnt get it before the 11th, how isthat fair ? iIts not buy new dlc, its bullshit.

Fadeshear and The lion of Orlais are the only things you don't get. The Black Emporium and it's quests, the Mabari Warhound and the other stuff on the Dragon Age site are still available. http://dragonage.bioware.com/da2/info/bonus_items/

BioWare/EA only gets about £18 of that £40 so you should reall be more pissed off at the retailer who is making about the same amount. They set the prices and could afford to sell for less, they just don't want to.

 

[Pilkingtube]

First of all, to all the people who just post a one liner colling it "dumbed down", could you elaborate? I can't find much that's "dumbed down" at all, and many things have been vastly improved. Just stating you think "They changed it, now it sucks!" just makes you sound silly...

Now, back to the game. I was suprised at how my expectations regarding companions were quite mistaken. I was expecting to like Fenris, but he turned out to be an emo asshole. I was expecting to like Carver, but he turned out to be a raving douchebag. I was also expecting to dislike Aveline, but she's actually one of my favourites. Also, Varric is just pure awesome!

-The dialog is now summarized response text instead of the entire response.
-There are less ways to equip your character. Restrictions on non PC equipment
-Gift Giving isn't as open anymore.
-Fewer tactic slots
-Game takes place in basically one area
-Fewer skills. Herbalism, Poison making, trap making, etc. have either been removed or combined.



That's all off the top of my head......

Weirdly I actually like the summary response, which I didn't think I would. Honestly, now that i've got a voiced character i'd rather just tell them my mood when I enter the conversation and just let it play out.

Also I wasn't really a fan of the clutter with the herbalism, poison & trap making though that's more of a personal issue.

Oh well, to each their own eh? ;D

 

[manythings]

I want to play it but have issues with the gameplay, and I cant play it until its atleast £25 becuase I feel BW need to lose money for cutting content to use as dlc.

So I will play it eventually, but the more I hear the more I hate.

Less that half of what you pay for a game goes to the developer. The rest goes to retailers, transport, storage and a dozen other things. The DLC is a measure to try and get people to buy new games over trade-ins which give a grand total of 0 to the developer.

I can pay £40 for a new game, just like others, and have to pay extra becuase I didnt get it before the 11th, how isthat fair ? iIts not buy new dlc, its bullshit.

Fadeshear and The lion of Orlais are the only things you don't get. The Black Emporium and it's quests, the Mabari Warhound and the other stuff on the Dragon Age site are still available. http://dragonage.bioware.com/da2/info/bonus_items/

BioWare/EA only gets about £18 of that £40 so you should reall be more pissed off at the retailer who is making about the same amount. They set the prices and could afford to sell for less, they just don't want to.

Sebastian isnt free, 560 mS points, like I aid its bullshit.

Which is part of the Signature edition along with the soundtrack and the in-game armory. That's not what you were talking about, that was for pre-ordering before January 11th. At no point is Sebastian necessary.

 

[Buccura]

I'm liking it quite a bit so far, though I admit certain things give me mixed feelings. For one, the way the story focus is different. It's less Lord of the Rings like sure, and it makes it feel less epic (So far), but the fact that it gives a more personal focus does give an interesting change of pace for an RPG.

Also, while I am a bit bummed I can't change the armor my companions wear, it does at least save more for me, and indeed, makes my inventory less cluttered.

I do wish that camera would go back further, though, and I do miss the tactical view.

 

[Korten12]

well 12 hours in and finally am just going to the deep roads. Been doing a lot of side quests and taking my time.

 

[Rayne870]

My xbox disc drive crapped out So for now I'm sitting here with a signature edition and I'm really stuck just enjoying the demo until I can get it repaired today...which might not happen due to a snow storm.

 

[Engarde]

They're forcing me to play as a human in a fantasy game. This is like forcing me to play an accountant.

Most important post in this entire thread. I think bioware doesn't approve of elf on elf.....

Anyway, I am not to interested in DA2, because (note, this is my OPINION), I don't like the summary and I don't like being hawke. Apparently beyond that combat handles more or less the same or better. But again, hawke and convo issuee....

 

[Timmibal]

Liking it a lot. First sequel in a while to make me actually give a revelatory "Ohhhh!"

Spoiler

On Merril's recruitment mission, when she calls Flemeth back from uthenera. I was like "So THAT'S how she came back after my warden gave her a cold steel rogering!"

Honestly, I don't get why there's so much hate towards Flemeth's new look. Clearly, the guise she presented to the Warden was not her 'true' form. (Probably because Alistair would have flipped his shit.)

And I'm liking not spending half my time in the inventory window too. Having loot divided into weapons, hawke's armor, consumables, trinkets and vendor trash makes management so much easier. I'll probably get flamed for that, but at the risk of paraphrasing yahtzee, I'm playing DA to be a hero. If I wanted to play elfroot logistics manager I'd be on farmville.

 

[Korten12]

-Fewer tactic slots

I'm 12 hours in and from what i've seen their more.

 

[Dragonborne88]

I don't have the import issue. Imported my Dragon Age: Origins save, with all the DLC, and I've already run into a few quests that are exclusive to the path I took in the original game. Ran into the remains of Harrowmont's family (I chose Bhelen). Ran into a messenger from Warden's Keep referencing the research the Mage did (I chose to let him live). The Dalish said that my hero was part of their clan (he is), saw a former werewolf that I cured(I did)...so I dunno what they are talking about.

 

[Dragonborne88]

Liking it a lot. First sequel in a while to make me actually give a revelatory "Ohhhh!"

Spoiler

On Merril's recruitment mission, when she calls Flemeth back from uthenera. I was like "So THAT'S how she came back after my warden gave her a cold steel rogering!"

Honestly, I don't get why there's so much hate towards Flemeth's new look. Clearly, the guise she presented to the Warden was not her 'true' form. (Probably because Alistair would have flipped his shit.)

And I'm liking not spending half my time in the inventory window too. Having loot divided into weapons, hawke's armor, consumables, trinkets and vendor trash makes management so much easier. I'll probably get flamed for that, but at the risk of paraphrasing yahtzee, I'm playing DA to be a hero. If I wanted to play elfroot logistics manager I'd be on farmville.

Agreed. I spend more time in shops in this one too, browsing to see if they have new selections, since I don't have a metric ton of junk armor in my inventory now. So I like the new system. I've only crafted a few potions, but the system seems better now, from what I can tell? Can you only use resources once?

That's what I was telling people about Flemeth too. Her having the "Rita Repulsa" look probably wouldn't have gone over well with cry-baby Alistair since he was already going nuts over her old hag look. I think the new look works pretty well, especially with how her voice actor changed the performance to be more confident. I had the same reaction when I did that quest too, I went wide-eyed and muttered an "Oh shi-! My Warden isn't going to be happy!"

 

[Souplex]

They're forcing me to play as a human in a fantasy game. This is like forcing me to play an accountant.

Most important post in this entire thread. I think bioware doesn't approve of elf on elf.....

Anyway, I am not to interested in DA2, because (note, this is my OPINION), I don't like the summary and I don't like being hawke. Apparently beyond that combat handles more or less the same or better. But again, hawke and convo issuee....

Feh, elves are androgynous, pretentious jerkwads. The real problem is they won't let us be Dwarves.

 

[manythings]

I want to play it but have issues with the gameplay, and I cant play it until its atleast £25 becuase I feel BW need to lose money for cutting content to use as dlc.

So I will play it eventually, but the more I hear the more I hate.

Less that half of what you pay for a game goes to the developer. The rest goes to retailers, transport, storage and a dozen other things. The DLC is a measure to try and get people to buy new games over trade-ins which give a grand total of 0 to the developer.

I can pay £40 for a new game, just like others, and have to pay extra becuase I didnt get it before the 11th, how isthat fair ? iIts not buy new dlc, its bullshit.

Fadeshear and The lion of Orlais are the only things you don't get. The Black Emporium and it's quests, the Mabari Warhound and the other stuff on the Dragon Age site are still available. http://dragonage.bioware.com/da2/info/bonus_items/

BioWare/EA only gets about £18 of that £40 so you should reall be more pissed off at the retailer who is making about the same amount. They set the prices and could afford to sell for less, they just don't want to.

Sebastian isnt free, 560 mS points, like I aid its bullshit.

Which is part of the Signature edition along with the soundtrack and the in-game armory. That's not what you were talking about, that was for pre-ordering before January 11th. At no point is Sebastian necessary.

Yes and I pay the same price as them.
Neither is all the other crap, but you mentioned that.
A character > weapons.

Its bullshi, I didnt have the money then so now I pay extra.

Keep trying to justify it though, many BW fans have, I am sure letting them do crap like this will have negative effects when they realise its ok, and start going further, whats that you want to have a companion aside from the dog, money plz.

I didn't have the money either but places accept about $5 for any preorder and I paid off more when I could. You can't suddenly call them satan because you didn't want to do something, that's what preorder bonuses are for, getting people to preorder. Every developer does it. You want to talk about bullshit check out the L.A. Noire preorder stuff. It depends completely on where you preorder and if you don't preorder from the right store you get miss out on extra cases and shit.

 

[marscentral]

The fact that I have the game and can't play it because of some ridiculous "Release Date Check" is irritating me. You're not stopping piracy, you're just pissing off all the people who pre-ordered.