Hulk liked the ME3 ending

[Ruzinus]

...I'm pretty damn sure this man is arguing that cycles are the "CENTRAL, DRIVING THEME," of Mass Effect.

...what else... "'GIVE US' CULTURE"... right, the entitled gamer argument, that makes about as much sense as ever... "DEATH OF STORYTELLING"... so full on bobbing it...

and more shit about CYCLES and something about gamers wanting porn, not art, and an actual honest to god comparison to No Country for Old Men...

http://youtu.be/Dex39z1OAms

 

[maninahat]

I don't know why, but when I'm reading this I'm imagining it's the actual Hulk talking. >_<

Just to save me from excessive reading, is Hulk taking into account the plot-holes and lack of closure? Is he familiar with the series?

Dont listen to the other guy, he did lay it out extremly well. If I were to tell you exactly why I liked the ending and why I think most of the complaints are stupid, this would be it. It was WELL thought out.

Yeah, you might not agree with his conclusions, but he argues his corner as well as it could be done. That said, I preferred it more when he was talking about the specifics of the game (and why the ending is good), rather than of art on the whole.

 

[Joccaren]

I see where he's coming from, but I don't agree with him.

His argument revolves around the idea that the theme of cycles was the only theme in ME that mattered, as well as more pretentious art crap.

His reason for liking it? Its apparently a beautiful artistic statement about cycles and such to his mind. Never mind plot inconsistencies, character inconsistencies, the rush job, the lack of an in depth conversation [He refers to the 14 lines the Catalyst originally had as being in depth... lolwat?] and several other issues.

His attempt to assert that those who didn't like it just aren't ready for art is, frankly, stupid.

I could go on about my personal problems with the ending, how 'Hulk' fails to address anything along such lines and why his opinion is worth bugger all in the grand scheme of things, but the pile of soggy red dust that was that horse has long since poured down the drain and out into the ocean.

 

[Neofishie]

Ah FilmCritHULK, I'm happy to see that I agree with you. I may not use the level of hyperbole, such as the DEATH OF STORYTELLING, but overall, I'm on board.

But I've realized that it was an ending that seemed almost tailor made to appeal to my perspective on life, storytelling, and the universe, so I may be biased a bit.

A short list:
You will never see your true impact, you must have faith in your actions.
Your true impact will not come from the things you made, but from the people you influence.
Implications are for more important things to think about than explanations.
Your actions only become meaningless if you believe they are.

Add to that a visceral joy that comes from taking an opposing side in an argument and I fell in love at first sight.

 

[sanquin]

The entire article just screamed "I didn't play this game, all I did was watch each ending and I read some things about what the game was about!" It really does sound like he never actually played through the games. And because of that, I can't give his review of the endings any real merit. He skips over all the plot holes, lack of closure, how different the ending is to literally everything else in all three games in terms of writing...all of it. All he did was focus on the 'artistic' side of the ending, which was only a small part of it. Why do I say this? Because 1: The ending was clearly rushed. (to me at least) and 2: Because ME3 was a way to make money first, a game second, and only art third.

 

[Aprilgold]

It honestly felt like he didn't play the game and just watched it which is why he thought it was better then what we give it credit for.

The ending is terrible when you play it and honestly, on a story aspect, adding in a random, mystical ghost-child and then making the player's choices which is something that Mass Effect put on through the entire series as a selling point / story point. Your damn choices maters suddenly not matter was stupid and any defense for it is stupid.

Lets all just imagine that instead of the ending we got for, I don't fucking know, Saving Private Ryan, it was instead some random alien sitting there talking to the armies, spouting just a bunch of bullshit completely destroying everything that happened earlier in the movie and finally just vaporizing everyone who didn't agree to get on a random ship and go to a random place. Would there be a decent defense for the above?

Overall, he can argue that the ending was super-artsy all day long but throwing glitter on shit doesn't stop the smell or stop it from just being a glittered-up-turd.

 

[King of Asgaard]

So?
An internet critic liked the ending to ME3.
I didn't.
Should I care what he says, thinks or believes on the subject?
No, because I have a different opinion. Opinions are subjective, and telling people that their opinion is wrong because their opinions differ is the kind of lazy arguing I expect from a troll or a child.
Besides, why do people take him seriously about games when he's a FILM critic?
Last I checked, Roger Ebert is also a film critic, and no one gives a shit about his opinions on video games, so why should we give a shit about this poser?

 

[DioWallachia]

I love how he bashes on that video of "Why we hate the ending" like he was the ABSOLUTE representation of the fans. Its not like OTHER kind of complains exist:


Good thing that he DIDNT find this one or he would have to SMASH his own head against the planet.

Lets not forget that by "closure" in that video means to KNOW how in the fuck does the people react to the after effects of the mass relay destruction and, more importantly, how would all react when knowing that they are half machine and half organic. I am pretty sure that not ALL people is going to like being immortal or mechanical and may lead to mass suicides to "remedy" that problem.

Aaaaaaaaaand the "Eden" symbolism goes to shit since the Normandy arrives there...........and leaves (in the extended cut) so its not a "new start from zero" and nor the intention of the writers. They look at that scene and say: "oh shit we forgot about this too, why the fuck we put them here again?"

And i remind you that Bioware DIDNT change the ending, they CLARIFIED IT.

 

[DioWallachia]

So?
An internet critic liked the ending to ME3.
I didn't.
Should I care what he says, thinks or believes on the subject?
No, because I have a different opinion. Opinions are subjective, and telling people that their opinion is wrong because their opinions differ is the kind of lazy arguing I expect from a troll or a child.
Besides, why do people take him seriously about games when he's a FILM critic?
Last I checked, Roger Ebert is also a film critic, and no one gives a shit about his opinions on video games, so why should we give a shit about this poser?

Does he EVEN know how EA has been doing around the videogame industry? When there are so many negative things around the games they release, how can we expect different? why would suddendly something good would come out in this bleak image?

 

[Dendio]

@Diawallachia
That video you posted refers to the old ending. The same guy did a new video where he admits the new ending ( extended cut) is better in almost every way

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Not insightful at all. As expected. He liked it because he thought it was emotional. Like most people who liked the ending, he did not even try to see the ending from the analytical point of view. If he did, he would perhaps notice that it doesn't make any god damn sense at all. We've been over that a thousand times on The Escapist.

What is it with these people who fail to see the logical inconsistencies in ME3 ending? They are so obvious it's like Bioware is intentionally stabbing us with them and some people keep ignoring them.

 

[DioWallachia]

By the way, fuck the guy for even SUGGESTING the idea that the Citizen Kane of Gaming didnt exist already. I mean, come on people, we ALL know that CK didn't have a unique story (it was well told though) and ALL the "innovation" that the critics keep barking about the movie were concepts and techniques that already existed in the industry.

The only reason that it is the best is because it combines everything that was good about the industry at that point, sort of like "The Most Triumphant Example" of cinema innovation in a single movie.
A gaming equivalent would be like when people point to Silent Hill 2 or Amnesia: The Dark Decent for the best horror games, or Super Metroid and Metroid Prime for the "Metroidvania" formula, or Metal Gear Solid 2 for postmodern commentary on gaming. If it was about being unique and original then Sacrifice (RTS Third Person RPG) and Dungeon Keeper (RTS + FPS) would do the trick.

You get the idea.

 

[dantoddd]

Eh! All caps and proper punctuation never work together. You should be banned from writing the word inundated in all caps

 

[DioWallachia]

@Diawallachia
That video you posted refers to the old ending. The same guy did a new video where he admits the new ending ( extended cut) is better in almost every way

I know, but the core of the problem is told in the old video too.

 

[DioWallachia]

Considering how off-the-mark EVERYONE seemed to be about the Deus Ex boss battles, I'm not surprised popular opinion has ruled in people's judgements of ME3's ending.

The new Deus Ex? what is wrong about it? you may not be able to EVADE the bosses but still there are plenty of ways to deal with them.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

HAD HULK PLAYED THE PREVIOUS GAMES. HULK DIDN'T THINK SO.

 

[DioWallachia]

Not insightful at all. As expected. He liked it because he thought it was emotional. Like most people who liked the ending, he did not even try to see the ending from the analytical point of view. If he did, he would perhaps notice that it doesn't make any god damn sense at all. We've been over that a thousand times on The Escapist.

What is it with these people who fail to see the logical inconsistencies in ME3 ending? They are so obvious it's like Bioware is intentionally stabbing us with them and some people keep ignoring them.

The guy keeps going over the "artistic statement" of the writers even if it was 2 writers from the total, that were tasked to do the ending without the input from others. If it was the intention ALL ALONG then, why does it feel so off putting? Does that mean that the artistic merit belongs to those 2 people only (for what? 10 last minutes of the game) and the rest can go fuck themselves even if they did like 90% of the rest?

Lets just pretend for a moment that ALL the writers were responsible for the ending for just a second. Does that mean that, according to them, as long there is an statement to make in the end, one can ignore everything that goes AGAINST IT in the own work?

Its the ending supposed to be something "postmoderm" that illustrates how pointless are the choices? Wasn't that already done before in MGS2 but it was hinted THROUGH the entire game?

 

[Sexy Devil]

So, Film Critic Hulk (for those who are not familiar with him, he's a incredibly insightful critic of movies, especially considering he writes in all caps in Hulk-speak; he commented on games on occasion) liked the ending of ME3, even the original ending, and wrote an essay defending it. As always, it's a very interesting read even if you don't agree with him. Well, maybe not for people who can't appreciate good arguments unless they agree with them. Here it is:

Film Crit Hulk Smash: A Few Words On The Ending Of MASS EFFECT 3 [http://badassdigest.com/2012/08/06/film-crit-hulk-smash-a-few-words-on-the-ending-of-mass-effect-3/]

Have nothing new to add because this all stopped being fun months ago but I can't resist making a shitty joke.

After seeing the two movies the Hulk has starred in I think it's fair to say that if he says something is good then they should be going in the opposite direction. *rimshot*

 

[DioWallachia]

After seeing the two movies the Hulk has starred in I think it's fair to say that if he says something is good then they should be going in the opposite direction. *rimshot*

What 2 movies? that guy is a star on something?

 

[Sexy Devil]

After seeing the two movies the Hulk has starred in I think it's fair to say that if he says something is good then they should be going in the opposite direction. *rimshot*

What 2 movies? that guy is a star on something?

I meant Hulk as the big green fictional comic book guy. I said it was a shitty joke!